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Tuesday, February 19, 2019

Reds’ Joey Votto tries to rebound from subpar season

GOODYEAR, Ariz.—Joey Votto has spent the offseason trying to make sure he doesn’t have another subpar season.

The Cincinnati Reds star led the National League in on-base percentage last year but hit just 12 homers, his fewest in a full season, and batted .284, his lowest since 2014. He had 67 RBIs.

“It was the first year where I had a poor offensive year,” Votto said. “It is hard to speak on this without sounding arrogant. I’ve always performed at a certain level. Last year was a bit of a shock. I didn’t perform anywhere near to what I’m used to.”

If worst comes to worst, he could always become the Max Bishop or Eddie Yost of his day.


QLE Posted: February 19, 2019 at 04:58 AM | 5 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: February 19, 2019 at 03:04 PM (#5816539)
The Athletic just put up a similar Votto profile. My favorite quote:

Nor was his back a concern, despite a statement by then-interim manager Jim Riggleman that his back had been an issue. He went through some of the team’s biometric testing Sunday and his vertical leap was even better than Puig’s. When that was pointed out, Votto said he’d “dunk on his ass.”
   2. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: February 19, 2019 at 03:40 PM (#5816565)
When that was pointed out, Votto said he’d “dunk on his ass.”

LOL. I love that guy.

Not a lot of great WAR seasons by 35+ year old first basemen though. Looks like the highest WAR total in the last 50 years is McGwire's 1999. He needed 65 hr to reach 5.2 WAR. If you add in DH, there are a few Edgar seasons better than that.

edit: I was wrong, Al Oliver put up a 5.3 in 1982. Same point holds though. Playing at least 80% of games at 1st base, age 35 or higher, there are only 10 seasons of 4.0 war or more in the last 50 years.
   3. Walt Davis Posted: February 19, 2019 at 04:34 PM (#5816584)
You might want to add LF to that list (along with DH). I'm not sure it will change much but you never know. And a fair chunk of guys would have had seasons along the lines of 100 games at DH, 40 at 1B and similar. Not that Votto is in his class (almost nobody is) but Aaron was a bit over 50% 1B at 37, predmoninantly 1B at 38 then mostly LF his last two seasons in Atl and he racked up 18 WAR with two seasons over 4. And he wasn't playing all that much. That his two big seasons came in his 50% 1B and 80% LF seasons and not his 80% 1B season is probablly just random.

But yeah, nearly all players fade around 35-36, at least to the point where the defensive value is sufficiently low that they'd really need to rake to get to 4 WAR. But Ortiz had 3 4+ bWAR seasons from 35-40. Thome had his last one at 35 but was at 3.6 the next year. Thomas's last one was at 35 with another 3+ to come. None of that is particularly promising for Votto but the fact that he can still play 1B adquately suggests he's aging better than those guys were so you never know.

And since we'll be talking about it for the next few days, Votto is another example of the deferred nature of long-term contracts. Covering 2014-23 at $225, the Reds were paying for something like 28-30 WAR. Five years in, he's at 24.5 so one more good season or two more average seasons and the Reds got what they paid for. I wasn't a big fan of the contract at the time because I didn't expect him to age this well (or at least require a move to DH sooner) ... and who knows, I might have been "right sabermetrically" in that we wouldn't have expected him to have his two best seasons at 31 and 33.
   4. What if I planted tomatoes Posted: February 19, 2019 at 04:41 PM (#5816588)
Votto did lead the league in OBP. That's something
   5. bbmck Posted: February 19, 2019 at 07:33 PM (#5816654)
Debut since 1951, 1000+ PA and 140-165 OPS+ Age 32-34, Roberto Clemente, Nelson Cruz and Jose Bautista are capped at 3 seasons, Joey Votto at 0.

Lonnie Smith 141, Ken Phelps 142, Joey Votto 152, Reggie Smith 157 and Frank Howard 165 haven't qualified for the batting title with 100+ OPS+ since.
Mike Piazza 140, Bobby Grich 141, Barry Larkin 143, Jose Bautista 147 and Billy Williams 152 haven't qualified for the batting title with 120+ OPS+ since.
Lance Berkman 140, Carlos Delgado 140, Brian Giles 140, Jeff Bagwell 142, Moises Alou 143, Luis Gonzalez 144, Joe Morgan 144, Jack Clark 146, Al Kaline 146, Ken Singleton 146, Ken Caminiti 151, Willie McCovey 154, Jim Edmonds 163 and Roberto Clemente 165 qualified for the batting title one more time with 120+ OPS+.
Jason Giambi 140, Rickey Henderson 146, Larry Walker 149, Gary Sheffield 155, Manny Ramirez 156, Harmon Killebrew 161 and Mickey Mantle 163 qualified for the batting title two more times with 120+ OPS+.
Frank Thomas 140, Carlos Beltran 141, Nelson Cruz 141, Tony Gwynn 141, Jeff Kent 147, George Brett 152, Reggie Jackson 153, Frank Robinson 157 and Mike Schmidt 157 qualified for the batting title three more times with 120+ OPS+.
Hank Aaron 154 qualified for the batting title four more times with 120+ OPS+.

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