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1. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 27, 2011 at 03:17 AM (#3886196)Actually, I think what the Nats are doing makes sense. The orioles are in free fall, and the Nats have a little momentum. When I go to games this year, people actually seemed to give a #### if the Nats win. They can really finish stealing all the DC baseball fans from the Orioles if they just stay respectable for a bit.
I am curious as to what Alonso can bring. He's regarded as a high prospect, but his minor league numbers won't blow you away.
I've seen Alonso enough here in Louisville to believe he can really hit. Makes absolutely tremendous contact with the ball, and it really jumps off his bat. Very quick bat. Excellent strike zone judgment. You don't move Joey Votto off of first base for him (duh), but that's why the Reds moved Alonso to LF to try and find a place for him. I suspect that he would be hitting even better if he weren't in the midst of adjusting to the OF, but that's obviously a bit speculative on my part. The defensive part is going to be an issue, but I'm betting he will significantly upgrade the Reds' line-up compared to what they've been getting out of LF.
Unless he accepts arbitration, which he might. Teams weren't exactly lining up to sign him last offseason...
In the 70's a good manager could use a guy like this because starters cranked out 275 innings a year. But nowadays a guy like Gomes isn't even a luxury. He's pointless. A guy who can hit Chris Capuano but will give up a run every game he plays because he moves around like he's wearing ski boots? It's silly.
He'd also have to sign a major league contract. A minor league deal with spring training invite, like Gomes' first deal with the Reds, won't do it.
In the 70's a good manager could use a guy like thi
Perfect LOOGY killer PH in a world with 10-11 man pitching staffs. Most LOOGYs don't throw that hard, and once they're in, they have to face one batter.
That world doesn't exist any more, nor is it likely to come back any time soon. I agree with HW; the Bennie Ayala comparison is apt.
As for Alonso, he's athletic enough to adjust to playing the outfield and really can rope the ball to all fields. He doesn't have the kind of HR power you'd like from a corner guy, but he reminds me a lot of Adrian Gonzalez when he first came up, with line-drive power to the gaps, so the HRs may very well come later.
The Reds are going to have to make some choices soon. They have two catchers (Mesoraco and Grandal) who aren't far from being ready, guys like Frazier and Neftali Soto who are going to hit their way into a major league job in the next year or two, no place to play all of them, and no useful pitchers (the staff at Carolina is an absolute disaster). They'd be smart, IMO, to see what they can get for Ramon Hernandez - maybe a fit with the Braves if Brian McCann's injury is serious - and let Mesoraco catch every day down the stretch.
-- MWE
I think it would actually be pretty easy to make a 6 man pen work if you had a decent rotation, and used the AAA shuttle effectively. In a 7-8 man pen, somebody is always going a week or more w/o pitching enough.
That's not quite fair - Gomes was good in '09 (128 OPS+), when Baker limited his appearances against righties. That and the hot start in 2010 led him to get too much playing time. But yeah, no big loss, especially with Alonso having nothing left to prove as a hitter.
Trading Gomes and bringing up Alonzo, though, doesn't make things easy. The Reds now have 4 OFs who should be playing every day (Stubbs, Heisey, Bruce, Alonzo); are they perhaps showcasing Alonzo?
As for the guys you mentioned, I've heard that Mesoraco is probably as ready as he'll ever be and Frazier is already 25 (he's now with the big club but sitting while Miguel Cairo starts - what's the sense in that?). Soto struggled the past 2 years, but seems to have found his stroke again in AA this year; the problem is, he's another 1B/COF type.
There's been talk that the Reds have been scouting Ubaldo Jimenez pretty heavily; however, while he seems available, the Rockies are said to want the stars and moon for him. Still, I wouldn't be surprised if the Reds put together a package of Alonzo, Volquez (the Rockies are reportedly very interested in him), and a couple of other non-Mesoraco prospects.
That's what I see the Reds doing. His value may never be any higher than it is right now. He already has the reputation of being a strong hitter below-average defender, so moving from his natural position of 1b to corner OF in the majors could seriously hurt his value. Jimenez should be able to pitch in GABP, if he still has anything left. I wanted the Reds to make a run for Oswalt last year. A top of the rotation starter will do wonders for this team this year and next.
The Reds are going to have to make some choices soon.
They didn't make a move for anyone last July, and they didn't promote or demote anybody. It's really a very good, but tough situation to be in. They are 5 games out, but have under performed their pythag by 5 games. Their schedule in August looks prime for making up some games. The team is mostly young cost controlled players, and there are several more valuable assets in the minors. I'm not sure what I would do, make a big move to try and make a run this year. Stay pat and let your own talent work itself out then move the excess later. I'm not sure.
The problem isn't need; the problem is the Reds have alot of ML ready players who don't have a position on the big team. Alonzo (from what I've heard) is barely a 1B; playing him in the OF is the last resort because his bat is ready now. As I said, the clock is ticking on Frazier; if he doesn't have an immediate future in Cinci, they should trade him for something of value. Mesoraco really has nothing left to prove in the minors, but there's already 2 pretty good Cs on the team.
I'm agnostic on what they should do for this year - unless they can get a Jimenez, and Cozart comes back fully healthy in time, and either Cairo or Frazier shows he can be a good everyday 3B, and Bruce comes out of his slump (or at least 3 of these things happen), it's going to be tough for the Reds to go very far in the playoffs again. While Frazier is tied into this, the decisions to play or trade Mesoraco and/or Alonzo are separate.
They brought up Travis Wood to replace that LeCure guy in the rotation. And they made the already-forgotten Chris Dickerson for Jim Edmonds trade in early August.
I'm agnostic on what they should do for this year
Sums it up well. I am excited to see if they do anything.
The Reds have had a tough season, under performed the pythag by 5 games & going 15-23 in 1 run games. It's been a bad combination of bad luck and bad managing/bullpen usage, and I'm not sure which side of that gets more blame.
After this 3 game set against the Giants, the REds have a fairly cake schedule for a few weeks:
3 @HOU
3 @CHC
4 COL
3 SD
3 @WAS
3 @PIT
3 @FL
3 WAS
The their luck swings back around, they could easily climb right back in the central race by the 1st of Sept.
After a 7 game homestand, Alonso got 4 PA and played 4 innings in the field split between LF and 1b. It's about time Walt just fills out the lineup card for dusty.
Yeah, they are not out of it yet, but I don't have a lot of confidence. Can't see them moving by Milwaukee AND St. Louis AND Pittsburgh. I think the Mets' series was a body blow,in spite of the bounceback against SF.
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