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Monday, August 23, 2021

Reeling San Diego Padres fire pitching coach Larry Rothschild

The San Diego Padres, reeling in their quest to reach the playoffs this season, fired their decorated pitching coach, Larry Rothschild, on Monday.

Rothschild, 67, was in his second year with the Padres and spent the previous 18 years as a pitching coach for the New York Yankees and the Chicago Cubs.

The Padres (68-58), who traded for Yu Darvish, Blake Snell and Joe Musgrove over the offseason, have lost nine of their last 11 games and currently sit a game back of the Cincinnati Reds for the second wild-card spot in the National League….

In a statement, Padres manager Jayce Tingler said: “Larry has been a tremendous asset for our organization over the last two seasons, and we appreciate the experience, hard work and dedication that he brought to the position. We wish him nothing but the best in the future.”

Ben Fritz will be the Padres’ interim pitching coach for the rest of the season.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 23, 2021 at 01:51 PM | 24 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. The Duke Posted: August 23, 2021 at 02:18 PM (#6035793)
No panic in SD I see
   2. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 23, 2021 at 02:23 PM (#6035794)
It's weird to say about a team that hasn't won anything in a while, but these Padres have to be one of the season's biggest disappointments. With a great young core of Tatis, Machado and Cronenworth, they added pieces like Darvish, Snell and Adam Frazier - and they're going absolutely nowhere.
   3. salvomania Posted: August 23, 2021 at 02:29 PM (#6035796)
I know he's only one guy (and the Pads also played well in his absence) but having Tatis miss 30 games certainly hasn't helped.
   4. JJ1986 Posted: August 23, 2021 at 02:46 PM (#6035800)
I feel like they have had over a dozen good pitchers spend time on the injured list this season.
   5. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: August 23, 2021 at 03:20 PM (#6035806)
It's weird to say about a team that hasn't won anything in a while, but these Padres have to be one of the season's biggest disappointments.


The Giants must be one of the biggest surprises right? The Pads get to go down the stretch playing a bunch of games against the Dodgers, Giants, and Astros, whereas the Reds get a bunch of Marlins, Pirates, Cubs, Nationals.
   6. asinwreck Posted: August 23, 2021 at 03:58 PM (#6035818)
Was listening to Kevin Goldstein's podcast this morning on the train, specifically a segment where he and Eric Longenhagen discussed the Padres' current pitching woes. As I listened, I thought to myself "I wonder who's going to be their pitching coach next year?"

After I got off the train and logged into my computer, I saw this news. AJ Preller does not waste time.
   7. Hombre Brotani Posted: August 23, 2021 at 04:08 PM (#6035822)
After being sub-.500 in 11 of the previous 12 seasons before last year, you'd think Padres fans would be in heaven right now. Nope!

The Giants playing inexplicably awesome have really screwed this season up for a lot of people.
   8. The Duke Posted: August 23, 2021 at 04:16 PM (#6035830)
It will be interesting to see how the players respond to the firing - it’s clear that AJ is trying to wake up the team before it’s too late. It’s a bit of bush league move, IMO. But Tingler and Preller are seeing the Titanic sink. I wonder if Preller gave Tinglwr a choice: either Tinglwr or Rothschild, you choose
   9. bfan Posted: August 23, 2021 at 04:19 PM (#6035832)
The Pads get to go down the stretch playing a bunch of games against the Dodgers, Giants, and Astros, whereas the Reds get a bunch of Marlins, Pirates, Cubs, Nationals.


Do the Padres not also get their division-rival diamondbacks and Rockies? That would be a tough break if they have used all of those lay-up games up already, but it might also explain their better record to date.
   10. Hombre Brotani Posted: August 23, 2021 at 04:25 PM (#6035835)
Do the Padres not also get their division-rival diamondbacks and Rockies?
They only get 3 more against Arizona, none against Colorado. While the Giants and Dodgers have utterly butchered those two teams, the Padres are somehow only 17-18 against them. That's the season right there.
   11. The Honorable Ardo Posted: August 23, 2021 at 04:26 PM (#6035837)
It's a splash, but it's not firing Ned Yost.
   12. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 23, 2021 at 04:33 PM (#6035839)
That would be a tough break if they have used all of those lay-up games up already,


Lay-up games? The Rockies took 11 of 19 games from the Padres this year.
   13. Ron J Posted: August 23, 2021 at 04:37 PM (#6035844)
I wonder how different the season goes if Snell hadn't completely lost the strike zone this year. I mean he's never had great control but this year has been ... just wow.

I'm not sure how much blame goes to a pitching coach when this happens, but it's sure not something he'd bring up in a performance review.

   14. bfan Posted: August 23, 2021 at 04:58 PM (#6035851)
Lay-up games? The Rockies took 11 of 19 games from the Padres this year.


Amazing! and they are 46-59 against the rest of the league. If the Padres cannot catch the Reds, they will have one pretty clear reason.
   15. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 23, 2021 at 05:27 PM (#6035864)
I wonder if Preller gave Tinglwr a choice: either Tinglwr or Rothschild, you choose


FWIW, Tingler said it was his call, but who knows. Tingler's job has to be in jeopardy.
   16. The Gary DiSarcina Fan Club (JAHV) Posted: August 23, 2021 at 05:28 PM (#6035865)
Lay-up games? The Rockies took 11 of 19 games from the Padres this year.


Just because they blew the lay-up doesn't mean it wasn't a lay-up.
   17. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: August 23, 2021 at 06:43 PM (#6035891)
In a statement, Padres manager Jayce Tingler said: “Larry has been a tremendous asset for our organization over the last two seasons, and we appreciate the experience, hard work and dedication that he brought to the position. But somebody's gotta walk the f%#king plank and it ain't gonna be me, so..."
   18. SoSH U at work Posted: August 23, 2021 at 06:56 PM (#6035892)
Just because they blew the lay-up doesn't mean it wasn't a lay-up.


That's true in general, but it's hard to see how that applies to the Rockies. They're 10 games under .500 in a division with three of the best teams in the NL. That looks like a slightly below average team.

The Diamondbacks, on the other hand, are an uncontested trip to the hoop.

   19. Walt Davis Posted: August 23, 2021 at 10:52 PM (#6035934)
I didn't realize Rothschild was still around, seems like he's been a pitching coach for 30 years.

The Rox indeed seem to have been decent: 30-33 outside their division. Then again they are currently not beating the Cubs so how good can they be? Their HFA is as extreme as ever: 43-22 at home, 14-45 on the road. That's the most home wins and the fewest road wins in MLB.

   20. John Northey Posted: August 23, 2021 at 10:54 PM (#6035935)
Weird. Firing your pitching coach midseason seems very unusual when the manager is kept. How often does that happen? I can't recall hearing of it, but I'm sure it has happened.

102 ERA+ for the team, Snell (only 5 times pitched into the 6th inning but pitches 51-75 has opponents hitting 295/419/536 - yikes!), Paddock (88 last year), Weathers (21 year old rookie) all having ERA+'s in the 70's is what is killing them. Darvish at 102 isn't what they expected either (but is almost dead on his 2018/19 numbers of 103 ERA+ over 218 2/3 IP). How much is on the pitching coach and how much is just 'crap happens' is hard to say. 29 pitchers used which seems high but the Dodgers are at 37 and have a 128 ERA+. Giants 31 with a 127 ERA+. Cincinnati 32 with an ERA+ of 108 So can't blame pitching injuries.

I suspect if the Padres don't turn this around before years end there could be a fire sale, and the manager has to be feeling the heat right now.
   21. Walt Davis Posted: August 24, 2021 at 12:06 AM (#6035949)
#20 ... happens all the time. Either the pitching coach or the hitting coach are the first to go, pretty frequently mid-season. When that doesn't work, the manager is next. When that doesn't work, the GM gets the ax. The Mets fired their hitting coach Chili Davis in May this year. They fired pitching coach Dave Eiland in June 2019. The Angels also fired pitching coach Mickey Calloway in May this year but that was for sexual harassment. Google turned up the Red Sox firing their pitching coach in Aug of the Bobby V year. The Nats fired Derek Lilliquist in May 2019. Looks like Chris Bosio got fired for insensitive comments in 2018 just a half-season after the Cubs let him go for undisclosed reasons. The Reds fired manager Bryan Price and his pitching coach in Apr 2018. Scott Radinsky got canned by the not-yet-Guardians in Aug 2012.

Happens 1-2 times a year I'd say which clearly is "all the time" :-)
   22. bfan Posted: August 24, 2021 at 10:20 AM (#6035977)

I suspect if the Padres don't turn this around before years end there could be a fire sale, and the manager has to be feeling the heat right now.


No, they will just find a few more of their seemingly endless supply of prospects, and trade for 5 more previously successful veterans who might or might not work out.
   23. The Duke Posted: August 24, 2021 at 10:52 AM (#6035980)
I don’t think this happens all the time. There are occasional firings, usually early in the year when it’s clear something isn’t working. If you takeaway inappropriate behavior and getting fired with your manager (which is, i think more likely), letting a coach go in a pennant race in Aug/Sept is relatively uncommon. It’s scapegoating and old school GMs just didn’t do that. The luhnows and Prellers of the world - I’m not surprised.

The introduction of the private equity ethos into baseball is yet another loss for the sport. Baseball has done very little correct strategically in the last two decades:

1. Terrible replay protocol (I’m not anti-replay but this version is terrible )
2. Continued inter league play which was fun when it was a novelty, but now just creates unbalanced schedules
3. The draft rules which materially increase tanking
4. The introduction of win at all costs brought to MLB by luhnow
5. The use of electronics during the game which has led to cheating and really isn’t necessary
6. The new extra inning rules and goofy 7 inning DH
7. Too many teams in the playoffs and too many rounds diluting the sanctity of the 7 game World Series
8. Letting the TTO mentality take over baseball game strategy
9. Gutting Topps role in baseball - this relates to number 4
10. Gambling - this relates to number 4
11. Too many special uniforms
12. The seemingly endless Jackie robinson days which they can never now eliminate - isn’t there anyone else they can honor once a year ?
13. The elimination of the day/night doubleheader’s

I will give them kudos for the field of dreams game (although they will ruin that undoubtedly), pooches in the park days, Statcast and all it’s future iterations (although I doubt that’s them really), ballpark villages which seem to work everywhere I have seen them, stubhub linkage, better metrics for umpires, the minor league re-organization, the work done to get negro league stats into the cultural zeitgeist (again i doubt this was them solely), team hall of fames and getting the DH rule universalized (next year ).

I’m sure I am missing a few.


   24. Darren Posted: August 24, 2021 at 03:48 PM (#6036038)
Maybe it's the contrarian in me, but I hate the "it's the players, firing the coach is scapegoating!!!" response. If the coach matters, then it always matters if you fire the coach. Your team is underperforming, maybe it has something to do with the coach. If the coach doesn't matter, then who cares if you fire the coach?

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