Baseball for the Thinking Fan

Login | Register | Feedback

btf_logo
You are here > Home > Baseball Newsstand > Baseball Primer Newsblog > Discussion
Baseball Primer Newsblog
— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand

Friday, August 27, 2010

REGGIE JACKSON (!!!) was apparently almost Geordi La Forge

A old casting memo from “Star Trek: The Next Generation” came out. And guess who almost played Geordi La Forge?

Geordi

LeVar Burton
Reggie Jackson
Tim Russ
Wesley Snipes
Victor Love
Chip McCallister
Clarence Gilyard Jr.
Kevin Peter Hall

For those of you who are doubting that this would be “real” Reggie Jackson consider that there are only five Reggie Jacksons on IMDB, and only Reginald Martinez Jackson was active during the late 80s, when he showed up trying to kill the Queen of England in The Naked Gun, as well as appearing as himself in “The Jeffersons” and “Mr. Belvedere”.

Gamingboy Posted: August 27, 2010 at 01:19 AM | 111 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: history, television

Reader Comments and Retorts

Go to end of page

Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.

Page 1 of 2 pages  1 2 > 
   1. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: August 27, 2010 at 04:47 AM (#3627069)
Must kill Captain Picard.
   2. Greg Goosen at 30 Posted: August 27, 2010 at 04:57 AM (#3627072)
I can see Reggie in the holodeck with Dr Leah Brahms saying how much he loved himself.
   3. Dan Szymborski Posted: August 27, 2010 at 05:07 AM (#3627077)
I am really surprised to find out there's a black guy named Chip McAllister. He might have topped Algernon Crumpler here.
   4. Ozzie's gay friend Posted: August 27, 2010 at 05:38 AM (#3627082)
So would he have done Reading Rainbow as well?
   5. Eric P. Posted: August 27, 2010 at 05:48 AM (#3627090)
I bet the VISOR would have ended up as supercharged 24th century aviator shades had this happened.
   6. X-Roid User Posted: August 27, 2010 at 07:36 AM (#3627098)
Beat to the role by Ron LeFlore.
   7. Dan Evensen Posted: August 27, 2010 at 10:17 AM (#3627103)
This will be a great thread.
   8. Swoboda is freedom Posted: August 27, 2010 at 11:20 AM (#3627107)
I'm also surprised to see Wesley Snipes on the list

Every time the warp engines would go down, Captain Picard would make Geordi do 20 push ups.
   9. Carry The Zero Posted: August 27, 2010 at 11:48 AM (#3627109)
#2 resulted in watching Booby Trap and Galaxy's Child... man it's hard to watch Geordi with women.
   10. Guapo Posted: August 27, 2010 at 12:13 PM (#3627116)
Billy Martin would have made a great Picard.
   11. Rally Posted: August 27, 2010 at 12:15 PM (#3627118)
Wesley Snipes: "American Express: don't beam on board without it"

Kevin Peter Hall was the predator. Didn't realize he was dead. Very sad, according to wiki got HIV from a tainted blood transfusion, was only 35 when he died.
   12. Rally Posted: August 27, 2010 at 12:18 PM (#3627121)
If Reggie had gotten the part TNG would have had to do a baseball episode. DS9 eventually did one, with the crew getting their asses kicked by a team of Vulcans, who apparently are the best baseball players in the galaxy.
   13. Pingu Posted: August 27, 2010 at 12:44 PM (#3627139)
How about Terry Francona as Picard???

Anyone?
   14. Gamingboy Posted: August 27, 2010 at 01:07 PM (#3627158)
If Reggie had gotten the part TNG would have had to do a baseball episode. DS9 eventually did one, with the crew getting their asses kicked by a team of Vulcans, who apparently are the best baseball players in the galaxy.


Right, in the Star Trek universe sports in general and baseball in particular have become niche endeavors as humanity has turned its eyes to space and become a semi-communistic, less individualistic society, and yet the Vulcans not only know of the game but are really good at it. Right.
   15. CraigK Posted: August 27, 2010 at 01:15 PM (#3627167)
My god, Tony Pena Jr.'s half-Vulcan. It explains everything.
   16. Dale Sams Posted: August 27, 2010 at 01:17 PM (#3627169)
and yet the Vulcans not only know of the game but are really good at it. Right.


SABR-Nerd analogy well before its time.

Wesley Snipes: "American Express: don't beam on board without it"


Picard: "Geordi, can you get the warp-core back online?"

Geordi: "Always bet on black!!"

Picard:...
   17. Jay Seaver Posted: August 27, 2010 at 01:22 PM (#3627176)
and yet the Vulcans not only know of the game but are really good at it. Right.

More "Vulcans are arrogant bastards and this one felt the need to put baseball-loving Captain Sisko in his place".

They also did an episode about Sisko's son trying to get a rare baseball card for his father, where they mentioned that the Hall of Fame was still around in Cooperstown.
   18. Rally Posted: August 27, 2010 at 01:33 PM (#3627181)
There's no reason to think that alien races evolving on different planets, even if they all have similar body size and structure to humans, will have exactly the same spread of natural baseball playing talent. In the Star Trek Universe, the average Vulcan is stronger, faster, and has better reaction time than a human. The average Vulcan is pretty much Josh Hamilton. Even if he doesn't play baseball regulary, once he takes it up he's better than pretty much anyone.

In my scifi universe, made up of the toys I played with growing up (and eventually put into simulation leagues), Vulcans are not quite this good. The race with the best natural baseball playing talent is the Jawa. They have far superior hand eye coordination and reaction speed. That allows them to swing from the heels all the time and still make contact, mitigating their stature. Pretty much a species of cloaked, glowing eyes, Dustin Pedroias. My league has 42 players in the Hall of Fame, 8 are Jawas.
   19. Rally Posted: August 27, 2010 at 01:34 PM (#3627185)
Try and out-nerd that.
   20. Dale Sams Posted: August 27, 2010 at 01:40 PM (#3627189)
Try and out-nerd that.


I would pretend water-picks were phasers and zap holes in my baseball cards.

But I still think you win.
   21. Bourbon Samurai stays in the fight Posted: August 27, 2010 at 01:51 PM (#3627197)
Number 19 has completely obliterated any nerdly comment I was going to make. I stand in awe.
   22. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:02 PM (#3627205)
I think reading that post made me a virgin again. Dear god, I think I feel a zit coming on.
   23. bunyon Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:05 PM (#3627206)
Right, in the Star Trek universe sports in general and baseball in particular have become niche endeavors as humanity has turned its eyes to space and become a semi-communistic, less individualistic society, and yet the Vulcans not only know of the game but are really good at it. Right.

Star Trek is a show about, essentially, the military of the Federation. One weakness of the Star Trek universe is that there is very, very little discussed or shown about the man on the street. It's a show about the warriors, explorers and intellectuals of 23rd century humanity. As much as I love Trek, as I've grown older, I really regret that they didn't do more with the larger society of the time.
   24. Cabbage Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:12 PM (#3627215)
Obligatory

Slightly related to my slightly related link, my favorite theory behind the Prime Directive is that its real purpose was to prevent someone like James Tiberius Kirk from pretending the far ends of the Alpha Quadrant were Gaul and building a fleet more loyal to him than the central government. Presumably, that would make the Sol Asteroid Belt into the Rubicon.

All of the Neutral Zone is divided into three parts...
   25. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:16 PM (#3627220)
Space Warlords is an awesome theme.
   26. Jeff R. Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:22 PM (#3627228)
Slightly related to my slightly related link, my favorite theory behind the Prime Directive is that its real purpose was to prevent someone like James Tiberius Kirk from pretending the far ends of the Alpha Quadrant were Gaul and building a fleet more loyal to him than the central government.


In all fairness, that happened on the Original Series quite a bit. How many times did they run into a rogue federation officer who dropped onto a primitive planet and made himself supreme leader? (Okay, usually this was so they could make use of existing lots so they didn't have to build sets for "Gangster Planet" or "Roman Empire world.")
   27. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:23 PM (#3627229)
I appreciate my unusual perspective, having watched the JJ Abrams Star Trek movie before watching any other original Star Trek material except the episode with Abraham Lincoln in it.

Since then, have watched Star Trek movies II, III and IV. I would say that all the characters' depiction in the reboot movie is very similar to the original characters, except Captain Kirk. Was surprised in the movies from the 80s to see that he is not an arrogant and shallow hotheaded doushebag. Why did JJ Abrams choose to remake him as one?
   28. Jeff R. Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:24 PM (#3627232)
The race with the best natural baseball playing talent is the Jawa.


What about the Sand People? They're tough and hardy from living in the desert, if they can swing around those Gaderfii sticks you know they can swing a bat. I suppose pitching might be a problem, those robes could be restrictive.
   29. Jeff R. Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:27 PM (#3627235)
Since then, have watched Star Trek movies II, III and IV. I would say that all the characters' depiction in the reboot movie is very similar to the original characters, except Captain Kirk. Was surprised in the movies from the 80s to see that he is not an arrogant and shallow hotheaded doushebag. Why did JJ Abrams choose to remake him as one?


Yeah, he took all of Kirk's well-known traits - womanizer, somewhat impulsive - and just said, #### it, let's crank it up to 11 and go. Definitely the weakest part of the movie for me.
   30. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:35 PM (#3627253)
As we all know it's been a long time since there's been a Trek series on TV. I think Paramount decided the genre was mined out. I've been thinking for a while how to design a Trek series that would bring something new to the table, that wouldn't simply be a retread of what went before.

This is my current pitch. Feel free to comment/criticize.

The new series begins with a small Federation vessel -- a frigate, say -- escorting a science mission to investigate stellar anomalies (insert alternative technobabble here). While on the mission, something happens (make up your own explanation -- subspace distortion, Romulan secret weapon, Q) that knocks the ship into a wormhole (yes, I know, keep reading it's not what you think) that propels the ship forward into time (again, yes, I hate time-travel in Star Trek too, but it's important in this case) about 50 years.

When the crew recovers, the captain sends out a subspace signal to Star Fleet Command reporting what happened. Only there's no answer, just subspace static....

The crew discover that in the preceding 50 years, the Federation collapsed, due to internal disorder and external attack. The Klingons and Romulans (and Ferengi, etc.) are feasting on the remains and fighting each other over the scraps. Earth itself has been bombarded back into a reduced technological state, and is under occupation. A bunch of former Federation colonies and planets became independent in the chaos of collapse and maintain a precarious existence between the warring powers, all looking out for themselves.

Faced with this situation, the crew of the U.S.S. Whatsit take upon themselves a monumental task: rebuilding the Federation, from scratch, with little in the way of resources except their ingenuity and resourcefulness. Bit by bit, over the course of the series, we see them forging alliances between independent worlds and human resistance movements, instilling hope and reintroducing the essential Star Trek values of cooperation and peace to a fractured universe.

In the hands of a good writer (not me), that would be a gangbuster premise.
   31. Kurt Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:35 PM (#3627254)
Yeah, he took all of Kirk's well-known traits - womanizer, somewhat impulsive - and just said, #### it, let's crank it up to 11 and go. Definitely the weakest part of the movie for me.

Well, he was (supposed to be) a teenager. Weren't most somewhat impulsive adults cranked up to about 20 as teens?
   32. Greg K Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:36 PM (#3627255)
I can see the Sand People being a team of Jeremy Giambis

For fairness sake I guess the Q and the Dowd could only be umpires. Chris Bosh has taught us that Cardassians make good basketball players, but how would they fare on the diamond? I can see Gul Dukat being a solid third baseman for some reason.
   33. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:37 PM (#3627259)
Was surprised in the movies from the 80s to see that he is not an arrogant and shallow hotheaded doushebag. Why did JJ Abrams choose to remake him as one?


Because the teenage audience the movie was aimed at only knows Kirk from endless parodies, not the actual show, so he has become a caricature in popular culture.

James T. Kirk was the youngest captain in Starfleet, based on Horatio Hornblower, a military genius and a prodigy who was smart enough to beat Spock at chess.
   34. Greg K Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:38 PM (#3627261)
#31
Wasn't there a Kevin Sorbo-driven Saturday morning sci-fi show with that plot a couple years ago?
Andromeda I think
   35. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:39 PM (#3627266)
Here's a great matchup. Goro, the ultimate innings-eater who can switch from overhand to extreme submarining from both sides. And which slugger do you think Shao Kahn's stance resembles the most?

Edit: Goro is seen here glaring and gesturing at the umpire a la Josh Beckett.
   36. Dale Sams Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:43 PM (#3627271)
Why did JJ Abrams choose to remake him as one?


Yeah...something's wrong when the lead actor is the comic relief.
   37. BrianBrianson Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:49 PM (#3627284)
Greg - Yes, and Andromeda was supposed to be in the future of the Star Trek franchise when it was designed. By Gene Roddenberry. And then directed by Lwaxana Troi.
   38. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:51 PM (#3627289)
Kevin Peter Hall was the predator.

LOL, I didn't know that but I knew he was Harry from Harry and the Hendersons.

Here he is on TNG.
   39. Jeff R. Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:52 PM (#3627290)
My Star Trek TV pitch is to go back in time to 2001 and get the Paramount execs to listen to Joss Whedon's pitch about the renegade crew of a small smuggling/scout ship trying to survive on the fringes of civilized federation space. After that, sit back and enjoy seven years of Star Trek: Firefly, while Enterprise is mercifully put to sleep.
   40. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:53 PM (#3627296)
What about the Sand People?


They round the bases in single file, to conceal their numbers.
   41. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:54 PM (#3627297)

What about the Sand People? They're tough and hardy from living in the desert, if they can swing around those Gaderfii sticks you know they can swing a bat. I suppose pitching might be a problem, those robes could be restrictive.


Yea, you'd definitely want a wookie on the hill instead.
   42. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: August 27, 2010 at 02:58 PM (#3627306)
31 - It is a great premise, but it feels very much like "Star Wars - The TV series" to me. The time travel aspect of it is different but the general idea; collapsed republic due to internal strife, small band of rebels trying to overcome impossible odds, is roughly Episodes IV-VI.

Could work really well as a TV series though. I think one of the best advances in the past decade or so is TV's ability crank out a well done drama across a season or two. With the technology that allows for better FX and a willingness to challenge audiences more than in the past I think properly done episodic TV can be better than a movie in many cases. A friend and I were discussing recently that the Harry Potters probably would have worked better as a 24-25 episode TV season than as 8 - 2 1/2 hour movies. The extra 4-5 hours would have allowed more of the background stuff that made the books so good to be included.

I think your idea could similarly work well. A lot of detail could be integrated and make for a really compelling story.
   43. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: August 27, 2010 at 03:03 PM (#3627318)

Wasn't there a Kevin Sorbo-driven Saturday morning sci-fi show with that plot a couple years ago?
Andromeda I think


I remember Andromeda. It was completely unwatchable. I tried viewing a few episodes. A big part of the problem was the gigantic ship with a crew of 4. And the muppet.

Anyway, setting it in the Star Trek universe gives everything a lot of depth since we're already familiar with the milieu, although the premise turns a lot of what the audience expects on its head.
   44. Paul M Hates Krispy Kreme Posted: August 27, 2010 at 03:06 PM (#3627324)
Could work really well as a TV series though. I think one of the best advances in the past decade or so is TV's ability crank out a well done drama across a season or two. With the technology that allows for better FX and a willingness to challenge audiences more than in the past I think properly done episodic TV can be better than a movie in many cases. A friend and I were discussing recently that the Harry Potters probably would have worked better as a 24-25 episode TV season than as 8 - 2 1/2 hour movies. The extra 4-5 hours would have allowed more of the background stuff that made the books so good to be included.


And this is why I am tenatively excited about the Song of Fire and Ice TV series. Especially the whole one book=one season idea. We'll see if the execution keeps up the high level of quality the books have (and if GRRM gets the fifth book out before they catch up to him).
   45. OsunaSakata Posted: August 27, 2010 at 03:08 PM (#3627335)
I remember Andromeda. It was completely unwatchable. I tried viewing a few episodes. A big part of the problem was the gigantic ship with a crew of 4. And the muppet.


That sounds more like Farscape.
   46. Rally Posted: August 27, 2010 at 03:14 PM (#3627350)
We've got a wookie rookie pitcher this year, C.C. Salbacca, who is racking up the strikouts.

Another wookie, Lowbacca, played RF a while ago. Great arm and power but didn't hit for any kind of average.

One Sandperson has played in the league, a center fielder named Johnny Tusken. Played well as a rookie in 2008, but really fell victim to the sophomore jinx.
   47. OsunaSakata Posted: August 27, 2010 at 03:16 PM (#3627358)
J. Michael Stracyznski's Star Trek reboot.

Instead of Enterprise, I would have gone with a spy series following Section 31. Less ship-to-ship fighting, more sneaking around. Would probably involve techniques of questionable morality. Maybe the cast would fly in a ship with the illegal interphase cloaking device like the Pegasus.
   48. Cabbage Posted: August 27, 2010 at 03:22 PM (#3627376)
Maybe the cast would fly in a ship with the illegal interphase cloaking device like the Pegasus.

I love the idea of the protagonists taking the realpolitik, down-to-earth, Richielu sort of position.

"The treaty is only there to make the Klingons think we're not re-arming. We AND the Romulans both knew that the treaty was bupkis when we were signing it!"
   49. Greg K Posted: August 27, 2010 at 03:25 PM (#3627380)
And this is why I am tenatively excited about the Song of Fire and Ice TV series. Especially the whole one book=one season idea. We'll see if the execution keeps up the high level of quality the books have (and if GRRM gets the fifth book out before they catch up to him).

Am I ever on the same page as this. I know GRRM is a big fan of Rome so that gives me some hope. I remember about 6-7 years ago looking at fantasy cast lists for a Song of Ice and Fire movie and thinking...you nerds are dreaming!

But Sean Bean as Eddard Stark...that sounds like it could be pretty bad ass.
   50. Randy Jones Posted: August 27, 2010 at 03:29 PM (#3627391)
And this is why I am tenatively excited about the Song of Fire and Ice TV series. Especially the whole one book=one season idea. We'll see if the execution keeps up the high level of quality the books have (and if GRRM gets the fifth book out before they catch up to him).


I agree with this. Also optimistic because the series will be on HBO, so no editing for content.
   51. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 27, 2010 at 03:37 PM (#3627413)
And this is why I am tenatively excited about the Song of Fire and Ice TV series. Especially the whole one book=one season idea.


So it's going to start out with a 12-episode season, and expand to 36 episodes by season 4?
   52. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: August 27, 2010 at 03:50 PM (#3627446)
That sounds more like Farscape.


I always get my unwatchable sci-fi series mixed up.
   53. McCoy Posted: August 27, 2010 at 04:30 PM (#3627515)
But Sean Bean as Eddard Stark...that sounds like it could be pretty bad ass.

Just so you know Sean was horrible in Sharpe's.


And speaking of Babylon 5 . . . whoever mentioned Jeremiah in the last TV thread should be shot. I've watched half of the first season so far and it is horrible. That show was ten years behind the times when it aired. It is like a sad parody of Quantum Leap or MacGyver coupled with the lame production values of ST: TNG.
   54. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: August 27, 2010 at 04:33 PM (#3627518)
   55. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: August 27, 2010 at 04:34 PM (#3627523)
If Ryan Howard had Jedi mind powers, he never would have been called out by Scott Barry the other day.
   56. McCoy Posted: August 27, 2010 at 04:38 PM (#3627531)
So it's going to start out with a 12-episode season, and expand to 36 episodes by season 4?

I know that is a joke but it actually raises a very good question. The books increased in complexity as they went on to the point where he has had to split up the story into several books just to cover the same time without creating megabooks and it is likely this problem will continue. It will be interesting to see how HBO resolves this and if they do so in a manner that makes for good TV. I'm guessing a lot of stuff gets streamlined and even some stuff/characters get left out entirely or severely diminished/merged.

I also can't see HBO footing the bill for all of the episodes required to do the books justice. This series has got to be an expensive project and I can't really see HBO staying with it for 5, 6, 7, or more seasons nor can I really picture them going much past 12 episodes a season. Look at Rome look at Deadwood. They just aren't going to pay the tab on this one to do it properly.
   57. Greg K Posted: August 27, 2010 at 04:48 PM (#3627552)
Just so you know Sean was horrible in Sharpe's.

Ouch.
Sean Bean's Sharpe is how I got into Bernard Cornwell. I have the entire DVD set.

Granted I was 13 or 14 or so when I first saw them.

As for stuff that can get streamlined without killing it too much...
Greyjoys? Though they are kind of being set up to play a major role soon.
   58. Greg K Posted: August 27, 2010 at 04:50 PM (#3627556)
if GRRM gets the fifth book out before they catch up to him).

Frankly I'm more worried about Father Time catching up to Martin before he's done.
   59. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: August 27, 2010 at 04:51 PM (#3627562)
Greyjoys?


Anybody NOT annoyed at GRRM at this point?
   60. McCoy Posted: August 27, 2010 at 05:15 PM (#3627589)
I can see the Greyjoy storyline getting seriously cut and even having someone like Theon become a bit player that is used to primarily move a certain part of the story along. But again that just raises a lot more questions about the dramatization of these books. I realy can't figure out how they can do only 12 episodes per book and still get all the storylines in. Hell, I can't even picture how they can reduce the books down to 50 minute episodes either and still make each episode coherent and move the story along.
   61. Sheer Tim Foli Posted: August 27, 2010 at 05:19 PM (#3627595)

Anybody NOT annoyed at GRRM at this point?

I think I am the only person on record hoping his series never ends.
   62. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: August 27, 2010 at 05:22 PM (#3627600)
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that GRRM did not enjoy writing with movies or television in mind as he was not able to develop characters and plotlines as much as he would like. This lead to the depth of the Ice & Fire series - as no film adaption was planned.
   63. DCW3 Posted: August 27, 2010 at 05:27 PM (#3627606)
When I was a teenager, my concept for the next Star Trek series had a group of five Starfleet officers assigned to a Klingon bird-of-prey in an attempt to rebuild relations following their brief war on DS9. The ship would be sent to secretly patrol the Neutral Zone to figure out what the Romulans were up to after they'd gone dark following getting their butts kicked by the Dominion. I probably had about fifty episodes plotted out--they're not very good, but for a fifteen-year-old, they're not all that bad either. (And the second-season premiere would have had the Romulan homeworld destroyed by a supernova, which J.J. Abrams totally ripped off from me.)
   64. McCoy Posted: August 27, 2010 at 05:33 PM (#3627615)
I think I am the only person on record hoping his series never ends.


You might get your wish but not in the way you are hoping. His series might never end as in he doesn't write anything else past book 5 not as in he writes 30 books about these characters.

I don't need closure but I would like more books and not have it take a decade for the next book to come out.
   65. McCoy Posted: August 27, 2010 at 05:36 PM (#3627623)
That's crazy. They're really slow and there's no hint that they've got the upper-body strength to hit it out of the infield. I do like their tiny strike zones, though.

Plus don't they suffer from the Peanuts flaw of having arms that don't even reach the top of their head?
   66. SM Posted: August 27, 2010 at 06:17 PM (#3627707)
Thurman Munson as Tasha Yar.
   67. Chris Dial Posted: August 27, 2010 at 06:48 PM (#3627782)
THAT IS THE NERDIEST THING EVER!

It's Nerd^2.

And it is too awesome for words. Can we have a link and a write-up? Seriously, that is front-page material.
   68. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 27, 2010 at 07:26 PM (#3627850)
Just out of curiosity, since we were talking about HBO adaptations of books - would anybody be interested in an Infinite Jest TV series?
   69. Ron Johnson Posted: August 27, 2010 at 07:38 PM (#3627868)
Just so you know Sean was horrible in Sharpe's.


Dunno. I thought the major problem was the writing. I don't think Bean was wonderful or anything. I'm just not sure anybody could have done a substantially better job with the material.

I was really looking forward to them. Major let down.

Speaking of storyline bloat (and I'm a GRRM fan don't get me wrong) any of you who bailed on The Wheel of Time will be pleased to know that Brandon Sanderson appears to have matters pretty much in hand. Sure it's going to take 3 books to finish everything off, but the first of them shows he's willing to be ruthless in the trimming.
   70. BWV 1129 Posted: August 27, 2010 at 07:43 PM (#3627873)
When I was a teenager, my concept for the next Star Trek series had a group of five Starfleet officers assigned to a Klingon bird-of-prey in an attempt to rebuild relations following their brief war on DS9. The ship would be sent to secretly patrol the Neutral Zone to figure out what the Romulans were up to after they'd gone dark following getting their butts kicked by the Dominion. I probably had about fifty episodes plotted out--they're not very good, but for a fifteen-year-old, they're not all that bad either. (And the second-season premiere would have had the Romulan homeworld destroyed by a supernova, which J.J. Abrams totally ripped off from me.)

I think there should just be a show called Bird of Prey that focuses entirely on a Klingon crew.
   71. McCoy Posted: August 27, 2010 at 07:45 PM (#3627879)
the writing was definitely bad but bean was horribly one dimensional in those shows and totally unbelievable. Part of that was obviously bad writing but bean most definitely failed to overcome it.
   72. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: August 27, 2010 at 07:57 PM (#3627900)

I think there should just be a show called Bird of Prey that focuses entirely on a Klingon crew.


That was my alternate idea for a new series, but in the end I felt the concept wouldn't support an entire series. The Klingons are interesting as foils for humans, but the audience just wouldn't identify with them enough to become emotionally invested.
   73. sardonic Posted: August 27, 2010 at 08:35 PM (#3627965)
Just out of curiosity, since we were talking about HBO adaptations of books - would anybody be interested in an Infinite Jest TV series?


Can't be done.
   74. sardonic Posted: August 27, 2010 at 08:41 PM (#3627979)
I do think the concept of going back to when the Federation was first formed is an interesting concept. You could look at all the realpolitik that had to go into getting the Federation together in the first place. I don't know if that's what the premise of "Enterprise" was.
   75. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 27, 2010 at 08:45 PM (#3627987)
Can't be done.


Sure it could. What don't you think would work?
   76. McCoy Posted: August 27, 2010 at 08:47 PM (#3627992)
was their actually any other races involved when the federation formed? Based on the movies I guess there were vulcans but was there anybody else? And really the human history in st is a bit preposterous.
   77. Win one for Agrippa (haplo53) Posted: August 27, 2010 at 09:03 PM (#3628020)
Was surprised in the movies from the 80s to see that he is not an arrogant and shallow hotheaded doushebag.


Well, his character is older in the 80s movies. One of the main recurring themes set up by II is Kirk coming to grips with aging and mortality. The first 30 minutes of that movie is basically a middle-aged Kirk feeling sorry for himself.
   78. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: August 27, 2010 at 09:21 PM (#3628067)
And really the human history in st is a bit preposterous.


Which part?
The perfect future world where all forms of racial and sexual discrimination have not only been eradicated, but no one is bigoted or prejudiced?

All aliens look, talk, think and act like us?

All economic problems have been solved?
   79. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: August 27, 2010 at 09:25 PM (#3628075)
And really the human history in st is a bit preposterous.


or the fact that we are the most advanced- socially- economically- and scientifically people, in our neck of the woods?

One idea I like in B5 (fro a space opera) was that as the series went on you realized that Humans, as opposed to the Star Trek Universe (Or Star Wars or Asimov's Foundation and Empire or the universe of Dune or going all the way back to EE Smith's Skylark series)were a minor power at best...
   80. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 27, 2010 at 09:39 PM (#3628100)
The perfect future world where all forms of racial and sexual discrimination have not only been eradicated, but no one is bigoted or prejudiced?


That one actually didn't bother me. Racists are probably too worked up about Klingons and Ferengis and whatnot to spend too much time worrying about black people or Jews.
   81. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: August 27, 2010 at 09:42 PM (#3628106)
One idea I like in B5 (fro a space opera) was that as the series went on you realized that Humans, as opposed to the Star Trek Universe (Or Star Wars or Asimov's Foundation and Empire or the universe of Dune or going all the way back to EE Smith's Skylark series)were a minor power at best...


Relating B5 to Star Trek:

Human = Cardassians
Minbari = Vulkans
Centauri = The Romulans
Narn = The Klingons
Vorlons = The Dominion
The Shadows = The Borg
Brakiri = Bajorans
Pak'ma'ra = The Packleds
Drazi = Ferengi
   82. sardonic Posted: August 27, 2010 at 09:46 PM (#3628110)
Sure it could. What don't you think would work?


Seems prohibitively expensive given the large cast of characters and the diverse sets. I don't think the narrative would work well on screen -- a lot of my favorite parts of the novel were digressions and footnotes, and DFW's beautiful prose. For example, I loved the side notes about the history of video telephony, or the ballet of drug addicts lining up at a soup kitchen, or that moment of hilarious realization when I figured out that "Year of the_____" was because they started selling sponsorship of the years, etc. History of the game Eschaton. How do you translate that stuff effectively to the screen?
   83. sardonic Posted: August 27, 2010 at 09:49 PM (#3628114)
or the fact that we are the most advanced- socially- economically- and scientifically people, in our neck of the woods?

One idea I like in B5 (fro a space opera) was that as the series went on you realized that Humans, as opposed to the Star Trek Universe (Or Star Wars or Asimov's Foundation and Empire or the universe of Dune or going all the way back to EE Smith's Skylark series)were a minor power at best...


Concur.
   84. McCoy Posted: August 27, 2010 at 09:49 PM (#3628115)
it isn't just the present world of st that I find preposterous but also the st history that is revealed in tng and the movies that I find difficult to believe.
   85. Papa Squid Posted: August 27, 2010 at 09:53 PM (#3628125)
That one actually didn't bother me. Racists are probably too worked up about Klingons and Ferengis and whatnot to spend too much time worrying about black people or Jews.


Racism still exists.

Worf is totally racist towards Romulons. See Birthright, Part II.

And Chief O'Brien hates the Cardies pretty good, too. I bet if Molly brought home a Cardy, O'Brien would be none too pleased...
   86. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 27, 2010 at 10:04 PM (#3628141)
Seems prohibitively expensive given the large cast of characters and the diverse sets. I don't think the narrative would work well on screen -- a lot of my favorite parts of the novel were digressions and footnotes, and DFW's beautiful prose. For example, I loved the side notes about the history of video telephony, or the ballet of drug addicts lining up at a soup kitchen, or that moment of hilarious realization when I figured out that "Year of the_____" was because they started selling sponsorship of the years, etc. History of the game Eschaton. How do you translate that stuff effectively to the screen?


The large cast isn't that big a problem - other shows have had giant ensemble casts before, and you aren't going to need everyone in every show. There are lots of locations, but not too many that would be that expensive to build or maintain (except maybe for the stadium bits with Orin). A lot of it is "a tunnel under the school" or "some dude's house" or whatever.

You could get around some of the issues with the prose by selectively adding narration. Maybe even a visual cut to an omniscient narrator meant to be DFW (or MP, maybe?), delivering the bit in question, or to some other amusingly obtrusive narrative device like a CNN-style textual crawl on the bottom of the screen. And stuff like the history of Eschaton would work fine as a flashback. You've got so many flashbacks and such a fractured chronology already, who's going to notice a few more?

I really think it could be done.
   87. BWV 1129 Posted: August 27, 2010 at 10:24 PM (#3628166)
The Klingons are interesting as foils for humans, but the audience just wouldn't identify with them enough to become emotionally invested.

I don't know. I always (in TNG) found them at least as interesting and relatable as our putative heroes. The Klingon-focused episodes of TNG were amongst their very best, and the Klingon characters were compelling on their own terms.
   88. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: August 27, 2010 at 10:36 PM (#3628176)

I don't know. I always (in TNG) found them at least as interesting and relatable as our putative heroes. The Klingon-focused episodes of TNG were amongst their very best, and the Klingon characters were compelling on their own terms.


Yes, but you're a nerd. We're talking about a mass audience here.
   89. sardonic Posted: August 27, 2010 at 10:49 PM (#3628180)
The large cast isn't that big a problem - other shows have had giant ensemble casts before, and you aren't going to need everyone in every show. There are lots of locations, but not too many that would be that expensive to build or maintain (except maybe for the stadium bits with Orin). A lot of it is "a tunnel under the school" or "some dude's house" or whatever.

You could get around some of the issues with the prose by selectively adding narration. Maybe even a visual cut to an omniscient narrator meant to be DFW (or MP, maybe?), delivering the bit in question, or to some other amusingly obtrusive narrative device like a CNN-style textual crawl on the bottom of the screen. And stuff like the history of Eschaton would work fine as a flashback. You've got so many flashbacks and such a fractured chronology already, who's going to notice a few more?

I really think it could be done.


I guess it's more a question, to me at least, of whether it could be done well, and what exactly we would gain from a TV version.

I love love the book, and I thought its surreal hilarity worked really well in my imagination. Why take DFW's prose out of the equation? You'd need some director with an amazing visual style to make the project aesthetically worthwhile, IMO.

So who do you think could handle directing/adapting the project? (Honest question.)
   90. Srul Itza Posted: August 27, 2010 at 10:49 PM (#3628181)
One idea I like in B5 (fro a space opera) was that as the series went on you realized that Humans . . . were a minor power at best...


Or as Londo Mollari put it, in one of my favorite quotes from that show: Arrogance and stupidity all in the same package. How efficient of you!
   91. Jarrod HypnerotomachiaPoliphili (TeddyF.Ballgame) Posted: August 27, 2010 at 10:51 PM (#3628183)
THAT IS THE NERDIEST THING EVER!

It's Nerd^2.

And it is too awesome for words. Can we have a link and a write-up? Seriously, that is front-page material.


Seconded. If Kerouac's sim games can get published, and that Cosmic Baseball Association can have a website, you deserve at least as much attention.
   92. Gamingboy Posted: August 27, 2010 at 11:11 PM (#3628193)
Rapid fire:

I thought Kirk was done pretty well in ABRAMS-Trek . I mean, think about it, he's just a wet-behind the ears kid (and to add to that this is a Kirk from a timeline altered by Nero's time-traveling, so he grew up without a father figure to guide him). Yes, SHAT-Kirk was not the arrogant, womanizing hothead-- well, not usually, but you definitely got this feeling that he could have been before he first saw somebody die near him, or first had his heart broken. You sort of see this near the end of the movie, where Kirk offers to rescue the Romulan crew. That's something totally like the Shat-Kirk. He's growing up.

My idea for a Trek show: Star Trek meets CSI. In the TNG era shows they always were talking about how crime was basically nonexistent. To me, I'd have to think that would mean that every murder or major crime that wasn't solvable immediately would be a big deal. And since crime is so low there wouldn't be many actual detectives anymore, so there'd be a Federation-wide investigative service or something- probably attached to Starfleet, since that seems to be the only police organization around. I think it'd be a good show because it could allow for looks at the Star Trek universe we don't see very often, while still sort of staying in the pseudo-military organization focus. Admittedly, the fact that the technology is so good would make for easy deus ex machina, but that could be overcome with good writers.

And on the question of what fictional race would be best at Baseball, this shouldn't even be a question. It is, of course, the Kryptonians.
   93. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 28, 2010 at 12:08 AM (#3628221)
what exactly we would gain from a TV version


Well, an awesome TV series. That's a pretty good prize, right? And maybe also greater popular recognition of DFW's work, by people who would otherwise have been daunted by the length and scope of the book.

So who do you think could handle directing/adapting the project? (Honest question.)


Werner Herzog? He does well with black humor and stories about obsessive types, and IJ is nothing if not a story about obsessions. Or maybe Soderbergh? Good with ensemble casts and complex multi-location shoots, and some experimental tendencies, which might work well with the novel's unconventional style. Both have done TV work in the past, too.

If you gave it to the wrong guy, you could definitely end up with a Cimino-style disaster. But I still think it's worth the attempt - if it turned out well, it'd turn out VERY well.
   94. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 28, 2010 at 12:10 AM (#3628223)
I guess the most important thing when choosing a director would be to find someone who had already read and liked the novel, and had a strong personal vision on how to interpret it. It's not the kind of project where you'd want a work-for-hire, cash the check kind of guy.
   95. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: August 28, 2010 at 01:02 AM (#3628266)
As long as we're all nerds here, I feel free to point out that Foundation had a humans-only universe. Well, and robots later on, but the point is that they didn't have aliens; the galaxy-spanning civilization had spread out from Earth in the distant past.


Like Dune.
   96. 185/456(GGC) Posted: August 28, 2010 at 01:10 AM (#3628272)
LeVar Burton played Ron LeFlore in a TV movie. LeFlore was discovered by Billy Martin. Martin later went on to manage the Yankees and Reggie Jackson 98 times. The circle is complete.
   97. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: August 28, 2010 at 01:30 AM (#3628295)
Billy Martin was fired by the Yankees 5 times. How many of those times did he have a losing record?

0. Not only that, he was never close. These are his won/loss records when he was fired:

52-40
55-40
91-71
91-54
40-28
   98. Eraser-X is emphatically dominating teh site!!! Posted: August 28, 2010 at 01:48 AM (#3628314)
#31 is just a rip-off of Star Control 2, which is probably one of the top 5 video games of all time and also one of the top 5 science fiction stories of all time.
   99. NTNgod Posted: August 28, 2010 at 02:00 AM (#3628338)
I guess the most important thing when choosing a director would be to find someone who had already read and liked the novel, and had a strong personal vision on how to interpret it. It's not the kind of project where you'd want a work-for-hire, cash the check kind of guy.


If you're talking a TV series, there's not going to be one director for all the episodes of a series.

That's not how TV series generally work; the director is usually a fairly fungable part of a TV series, someone who can produce an episode on time and on budget.
   100. Gamingboy Posted: August 28, 2010 at 02:13 AM (#3628350)
I get this feeling that if somebody DID direct an entire series, by the end the cast would be ready to murder him and the feeling would be mutual. I mean, consider how the relation between actors and directors can be with movies, where it's just a couple months... imagine how bad it could get over years.
Page 1 of 2 pages  1 2 > 

You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.

 

 

<< Back to main

BBTF Partner

Dynasty League Baseball

Support BBTF

donate

Thanks to
dirk
for his generous support.

You must be logged in to view your Bookmarks.

Hot Topics

NewsblogWild Card Round Day Three OMNICHATTER (10/1/20)
(10 - 3:49pm, Oct 01)
Last: Moses Taylor, glorified meat shield

NewsblogWild Card Round Day Two OMNICHATTER (9/30/20)
(246 - 3:36pm, Oct 01)
Last: The Yankee Clapper

Newsblog8th? BBTF Central Park Softball Game: October 3
(104 - 3:33pm, Oct 01)
Last: catomi01

NewsblogOT - Soccer Thread - Brave New World
(275 - 3:31pm, Oct 01)
Last: Crispix Attacksel Rios

NewsblogMinnesota Twins eliminated by Houston Astros as postseason losing streak hits 18 games
(7 - 3:31pm, Oct 01)
Last: Karl from NY

NewsblogMLB allowing limited number of fans for NLCS, World Series in Arlington, Texas
(14 - 2:30pm, Oct 01)
Last: Captain Joe Bivens, Elderly Northeastern Jew

NewsblogEmpty Stadium Sports Will Be Really Weird
(9809 - 2:16pm, Oct 01)
Last: Lassus

NewsblogOT - NBA Bubble Thread
(3297 - 2:01pm, Oct 01)
Last: aberg

NewsblogCarlos Correa addresses Astros haters after sweeping Twins: 'What are they going to say now?'
(15 - 1:41pm, Oct 01)
Last: Greg Pope

Gonfalon CubsCubs Postseason Thoughts
(6 - 1:19pm, Oct 01)
Last: Meatwad

NewsblogAnaheim City Council approves $150-million cash stadium sale to Angels owner
(15 - 1:07pm, Oct 01)
Last: Rally

NewsblogPrimer Dugout (and link of the day) 10-1-2020
(5 - 12:43pm, Oct 01)
Last: Crispix Attacksel Rios

NewsblogYouTube TV is losing Fox regional sports networks
(19 - 11:34am, Oct 01)
Last: jmurph

NewsblogAs Marlins prepare for postseason, is the franchise turning a corner under Derek Jeter?
(11 - 11:10am, Oct 01)
Last: Never Give an Inge (Dave)

NewsblogDORKTOWN: The Secret to Not Allowing Homers to Babe Ruth was Being Bad, Apparently
(7 - 10:52am, Oct 01)
Last: Nasty Nate

Page rendered in 0.7167 seconds
48 querie(s) executed