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Report: MLB Considering Alternative Sites Due to Coronavirus

MLB is considering using alternative sites for teams that are most affected by the spread of the coronavirus (COVID-19), according to The Wall Street Journal’s Jared Diamond. 

The league wants to vet all potential options—and they are, given the uncertain and deadly nature of the virus—but want to avoid playing in empty stadiums if possible. This tracks with the thinking of other professional sports leagues, including the NBA, which is exploring similar alternatives in the wake of the virus that has infected more than 1,000 people in the U.S. and killed at least 30.

The alternatives for MLB include playing their games at spring training facilities in Arizona or Florida and possibly moving games to cities less affected by the outbreak.

 

QLE Posted: March 12, 2020 at 01:00 AM | 55 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: coronavirus, mariners, neutral site games

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   1. The Duke Posted: March 12, 2020 at 08:06 AM (#5929834)
It’s the only story that could have knocked the Astros off the front page
   2. Blastin Posted: March 12, 2020 at 08:29 AM (#5929837)
The Astros are loving this turn of events
   3. JJ1986 Posted: March 12, 2020 at 09:28 AM (#5929850)
I have a feeling they'll implement this for a few days before they have to suspend the season. Having people travel from Seattle or the Bay Area to games in Arizona is just going to spread the virus more.
   4. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 12, 2020 at 09:37 AM (#5929853)
Why can't they get all the teams into two Spring Training complexes (one AL, one NL) and play and broadcast all the games from there?
   5. Welcome to Gator Hammock (CoB). Posted: March 12, 2020 at 09:52 AM (#5929858)
On the other site I already called a delay to the start of the season ... I just don't see how they start this on time.
   6. Greg Pope Posted: March 12, 2020 at 09:56 AM (#5929859)
I suggested to a friend that the teams just play in the spring training parks. If you're going to play with no fans, it doesn't matter which stadiums you use. Spend the first month of the season at spring training facilities and see where it goes from there.
   7. base ball chick Posted: March 12, 2020 at 10:09 AM (#5929863)
snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 12, 2020 at 09:37 AM (#5929853)

Why can't they get all the teams into two Spring Training complexes (one AL, one NL) and play and broadcast all the games from there


- that only works if none of the umpires, players or anyone associated with the teams get sick. and there is a ban on players/team people associating with anyone outside of that specific group. and i don't see that actually happening
   8. Ben Broussard Ramjet Posted: March 12, 2020 at 10:34 AM (#5929872)
Why can't they get all the teams into two Spring Training complexes (one AL, one NL) and play and broadcast all the games from there?


In addition to the above post, presumably we need a series of complexes, not two? Even staggered, 15 games per day are probably going to need at least 4 ballparks unless you play some of them on backfields. Then add the groundcrews, cleaners, broadcast teams, media . . . it's a pretty big population circulating through there that are going to need a lot of testing, any one of whom could touch the wrong surface in the wrong diner or gas station or bathroom or ATM.

Feels like a very, very optimistic plan.
   9. jmurph Posted: March 12, 2020 at 10:38 AM (#5929877)
Feels like a very, very optimistic plan.

Yeah I think it's extremely unlikely we get real baseball games anytime soon.
   10. PreservedFish Posted: March 12, 2020 at 10:44 AM (#5929879)
I refuse to recognize the legitimacy of any game that does not generate Statcast data.
   11. Ben Broussard Ramjet Posted: March 12, 2020 at 10:50 AM (#5929882)
I'm concerned that my fantasy baseball drafting strategy needs updating. James Paxton may be available for the start of the season after all . . .
   12. jmurph Posted: March 12, 2020 at 11:02 AM (#5929893)
Multiple other members of the Jazz have reportedly tested positive, too. Athletes are all going to collectively reject the idea of playing at all, I imagine.
   13. Blastin Posted: March 12, 2020 at 11:07 AM (#5929898)
Rudy Gobert is a ####### tool for that microphone bit.

Anyway, Judge, Paxton, and Stanton are going to play a full season now. In June.
   14. Moses Taylor, glorified meat shield Posted: March 12, 2020 at 11:09 AM (#5929901)
I'm surprised MLB hasn't closed ST to fans yet. It just wouldn't have that big of an impact as all the stuff they're talking about doing for the regular season. To be clear, I don't mean they shouldn't still do more then, just why haven't they done this already?

We're supposed to go to PHX tomorrow and have tickets to games this weekend. It's going to be a lot easier conversation with my kids explaining why we're not going if we can't go to the baseball games.
   15. Welcome to Gator Hammock (CoB). Posted: March 12, 2020 at 11:12 AM (#5929902)
Wow ... I hadn't read about Gobert before but ...

Jazz star Donovan Mitchell has tested positive for the coronavirus, league sources tell ESPN. Jazz players privately say that Rudy Gobert had been careless in the locker room touching other players and their belongings. Now a Jazz teammate has tested positive.


Yeah, that was really funny Rudy ... you #######.
   16. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 12, 2020 at 11:16 AM (#5929909)
I don't follow the NBA much if at all - is Gobert a good enough player that they won't release him for that ####?
   17. Moses Taylor, glorified meat shield Posted: March 12, 2020 at 11:18 AM (#5929911)
Yes, he is too good to be released.
   18. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: March 12, 2020 at 11:19 AM (#5929913)
He's an All-Star, short list for best defender in the league. Of note: no other teammates tested positive.
   19. SoSH U at work Posted: March 12, 2020 at 11:19 AM (#5929914)

I don't follow the NBA much if at all - is Gobert a good enough player that they won't release him for that ####?


He most definitely is (good enough).

   20. PreservedFish Posted: March 12, 2020 at 11:24 AM (#5929917)
You know how you sometimes randomly fixate on some meaningless stupid moment of social awkwardness from years in the past? Some time you told a joke that failed, or embarrassed yourself in front of a girl you liked? Every time that happens to me now, I'll just tell myself that whatever I did was less cringeworthy than what Rudy Gobert just did.
   21. Blastin Posted: March 12, 2020 at 11:25 AM (#5929918)
Of note: no other teammates tested positive.


Well, just one.
   22. Howie Menckel Posted: March 12, 2020 at 11:25 AM (#5929919)
I have learned here that other Jazz players have - or have not - tested positive.
   23. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 12, 2020 at 11:28 AM (#5929923)
He's an All-Star, short list for best defender in the league.
"Best defender in the NBA" is kind of a "tallest dwarf" thing, no?
   24. SoSH U at work Posted: March 12, 2020 at 11:28 AM (#5929924)

You know how you sometimes randomly fixate on some meaningless stupid moment of social awkwardness from years in the past? Some time you told a joke that failed, or embarrassed yourself in front of a girl you liked? Every time that happens to me now, I'll just tell myself that whatever I did was less cringeworthy than what Rudy Gobert just did.


Should doing something stupid and juvenile that in very short time proves to be horrific can be henceforth be known as Pulling a Rudy or Goberting?

   25. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 12, 2020 at 11:28 AM (#5929925)
You know how you sometimes randomly fixate on some meaningless stupid moment of social awkwardness from years in the past? Some time you told a joke that failed, or embarrassed yourself in front of a girl you liked?
No. That type of thing has never happened to me. Ever.
   26. PreservedFish Posted: March 12, 2020 at 11:32 AM (#5929930)
"Pulling a Rudy" should already be understood to refer to a tear-jerking underdog performance.
   27. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: March 12, 2020 at 11:35 AM (#5929936)
Heh, no one in addition to Gobert and Mitchell. As of yet.

Gobert, fwiw, has a rep for being good with the media - I think what he did with them and his teammates reflected ignorance, not malice.
   28. Moses Taylor, glorified meat shield Posted: March 12, 2020 at 11:36 AM (#5929937)
"Best defender in the NBA" is kind of a "tallest dwarf" thing, no?

No.
   29. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 12, 2020 at 11:38 AM (#5929939)
Huh, they play defense now? Or was the "no defense" thing never really a thing?
   30. jmurph Posted: March 12, 2020 at 11:48 AM (#5929947)
Huh, they play defense now? Or was the "no defense" thing never really a thing?

Maybe in the 50s? Is this a "college players try harder" kind of deal?
   31. jmurph Posted: March 12, 2020 at 11:50 AM (#5929948)
Gobert, fwiw, has a rep for being good with the media - I think what he did with them and his teammates reflected ignorance, not malice.

A Jazz beat reporter said he (the reporter) took it as a show of solidarity- that reporters were required to stay away from the players in order to protect the players, but Rudy was saying, in effect, it's all good guys, I'm not worried about you guys hurting me.

No idea what Rudy was thinking, but that's at least one account.
   32. jmurph Posted: March 12, 2020 at 11:52 AM (#5929952)
Here's the link.
   33. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 12, 2020 at 11:54 AM (#5929953)
Maybe in the 50s? Is this a "college players try harder" kind of deal?
No, I just (as an uninformed non-follower of the league) remember the NBA having a "they don't play defense" reputation, but that might have been a decade ago or something. I'm vaguely aware that the style of play has changed quite a bit in recent years as analytics have become more influential, right?
   34. SoSH U at work Posted: March 12, 2020 at 11:58 AM (#5929955)
No, I just (as an uninformed non-follower of the league) remember the NBA having a "they don't play defense" reputation, but that might have been a decade ago or something. I'm vaguely aware that the style of play has changed quite a bit in recent years as analytics have become more influential, right?


The reputation has always existed, but outside some Doug Moe- and Paul Westhead-coached teams, it's never been terribly accurate.

   35. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: March 12, 2020 at 11:59 AM (#5929956)
We could continue this convo on the NBA thread, but defenses are, imo, far more complicated and considered now than at earlier points in NBA history. There have been rule and enforcement changes that make it so you can't bash and hold people as much as you once could (as an avowed fan of dirty, dirty play I miss it, though I know this is the right move), but what they are allowed to do is being done at a very, very high level. Bigs have to (with rare exception) be far quick than their counterparts from yesteryear (as teams have realized that posting up is generally an inefficient form of offense) and Gobert is mobile, shockingly long (7-9 wingspan), and has added strength over time.

(I think the rep, which I remember hearing (and none of this is knocking you at all!), had its foundation in old fogeyism as much as anything.)
   36. Astroenteritis Posted: March 12, 2020 at 12:01 PM (#5929960)
No, I just (as an uninformed non-follower of the league) remember the NBA having a "they don't play defense" reputation


That's never been true. In fact, they play much better defense in the NBA than in college. But, of course, they do everything better in the NBA. There is also way more coaching in the NBA than the casual fan understands.
   37. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: March 12, 2020 at 12:05 PM (#5929961)
My scattered impression is that in terms of defense it's something like NBA >>> NCAA, while in terms of offense its more like NBA >>>>> NCAA. Sometimes an NBA defense can look bad because the NBA offense is so good.
   38. Astroenteritis Posted: March 12, 2020 at 12:06 PM (#5929962)
The Astros are loving this turn of events


The one year I buy tickets to several Astros games ahead of time (and plan my hotels, etc.) there may not be any games. OK, somebody tell me it's karma or something, but I never once banged a trash can!
   39. Astroenteritis Posted: March 12, 2020 at 12:08 PM (#5929964)
Sometimes an NBA defense can look bad because the NBA offense is so good.


This is so true. The offensive skill of NBA players is off the charts. Watching NCAA games, I'm often struck by how bad the offense can be.
   40. PreservedFish Posted: March 12, 2020 at 12:09 PM (#5929965)
I think there was a time after Jordan where the league seemed intent on promoting "Air Apparent" types that were perhaps somewhat indifferent towards defense. At the same time, the most prominent rookies were coming into the league with less and less experience, and there was seemingly a cultural shift as kids that grew up with the 90's street styles, listening to ghetto rap and such, came into the league. There was a lot of grumping and old fogeyism then. I'm sure it was at least 95% the type of casual condescension that we hate in baseball commentary. I don't know how anyone watching the previous era would have thought that there was no defense played, and today defense seems as valued as it ever has been.
   41. Fancy Pants Handle struck out swinging Posted: March 12, 2020 at 12:11 PM (#5929966)
No, I just (as an uninformed non-follower of the league) remember the NBA having a "they don't play defense" reputation

Maybe thinking of the All-Star game?

Otherwise, teams definitely do play defense. Well except for the Wizards.
   42. Ziggy is done with Dominican discotheques Posted: March 12, 2020 at 12:24 PM (#5929974)
The Generals are also pretty bad at it.
   43. Moses Taylor, glorified meat shield Posted: March 12, 2020 at 12:35 PM (#5929978)
Virtually of the NCAA conference tournaments are now cancelled. MLS is postponing all games for 30 days. Multiple soccer leagues in Europe, too.
   44. The Yankee Clapper Posted: March 12, 2020 at 12:51 PM (#5929980)
I’m at the SOLD OUT Yankees-Nationals game in West Palm Beach, FL. Looks like it may be my last for quite a while, given reports that cancellation of the remainder of Spring Training is imminent. Had 5 more games, including 3 bobblehead days. Lots of refund issues, especially for the regular season.
   45. Zonk Wants Justice for Carolyn Gombell Posted: March 12, 2020 at 12:55 PM (#5929982)
"Pulling a Rudy" is already taken.... by prior events by a different Rudy.

So, you'll have to go with either Goberting.
   46. tshipman Posted: March 12, 2020 at 01:53 PM (#5930006)
My scattered impression is that in terms of defense it's something like NBA >>> NCAA, while in terms of offense its more like NBA >>>>> NCAA. Sometimes an NBA defense can look bad because the NBA offense is so good.


This is kind of backwards. Most NBA rookies struggle more on defense than on offense because defenses at the pro level are incredibly complicated and rely on sophisticated help concepts.

Offenses are largely the same between college and the NBA (with some notable exceptions, to be sure), there are just significantly higher skill levels and greater athleticism. When LeBron runs a pick and roll at you, it hits different than some random 6-2 white kid out of Appalachian State.
   47. smileyy Posted: March 12, 2020 at 02:12 PM (#5930017)
Yes! Join the NBA thread! It's fun, nice, and needs the traffic what with games suspended.
   48. bobm Posted: March 12, 2020 at 02:17 PM (#5930020)
Why can't they get all the teams into two Spring Training complexes (one AL, one NL) and play and broadcast all the games from there?

Like the World Series neutral site idea proposed by Whitey Herzog in "You're Missing a Great Game"
   49. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 12, 2020 at 02:32 PM (#5930027)
“Major League Baseball is reportedly joining the NBA in suspending all operations due to the coronavirus outbreak”
Well now hold on a sec here. I was OK with the idea of pretty much having to stay home for a while *provided that there would be baseball to watch*.
   50. Zonk Wants Justice for Carolyn Gombell Posted: March 12, 2020 at 02:39 PM (#5930032)
OOTP release date is March 20... I would be willing to live stream my seasons if it will help...
   51. Zach Posted: March 12, 2020 at 03:53 PM (#5930068)
Why can't they get all the teams into two Spring Training complexes (one AL, one NL) and play and broadcast all the games from there?

Like the World Series neutral site idea proposed by Whitey Herzog in "You're Missing a Great Game"


The alternate use as a multi thousand person bingo facility would be a tough sell right now, though.
   52. Walt Davis Posted: March 12, 2020 at 05:48 PM (#5930152)
The NBA did have a no-defene rep back in the 70s with McAdoo, Maravich then Gervin leading the league in scoring all the time. It is interesting (to me who follows the NBA not at all) that James Harden leads the league with totals even higher than Gervin's. There was also a time when the fast break was such a big part of the game that point totals got pretty high.

Then there's total points. In the late 60s, teams averaged 115+ points per game. It was consistently in the 105-110 range for the next 20 years or so but then it was high 90s/low 100s for the next 20 years (a low of 91.6 in 1998-99). It has gone up dramatically from 100 points in 2014-15 to 111 each of the last two seasons. That seems mosly due to an increase of about 4 extra 3P made per game (and about 3 more FG overall on 5 more shots overall). So more shots taken, a higher proportion of them 3PA with 3P% steady.

I don't know if it has but that could give the impression of "no defense." Highest average scoring since the 1970-71 season, most shots in 30 years (but well behind the heyday of the 60s with over 100 shots per team per game), and bombing lots of 3s (up to nearly 34 attempts per game now, almost twice what it was 10 years ago). On paper, that is Loyola Marymount.

bb-r also provides some "advanced" stats (I got no idea how advanced or useful they are). These stats only go back to 1973-74. Pace is the estimated # of possessions per 48 minutes and that's also at its highest in 30 years but not close to the 70s. Then there's ORtg which is pts produced per 100 possessions which is at its highest level ever at 110 -- I think the last 4 seasons are the 4 highest ever. That's obviously partly the shift towards 3s but the 3 has been around for almost all of that time.

So the NBA is seeing more scoring (3s) and more offense (shots, possessions, shots made) than it has in about 30 years.
   53. JJ1986 Posted: March 12, 2020 at 05:53 PM (#5930155)
Donovan Mitchell's father works for the Mets and has been at spring training with them. Being tested today.
   54. greenback used to say live and let live Posted: March 12, 2020 at 07:34 PM (#5930185)
Watching NCAA games, I'm often struck by how bad the offense can be.

Yes, there's a lot of wasted motion that looks much like pre-game drills at Japanese baseball games.

But I'm struck more by how bad the officiating is. It's something that I noticed as I got older, which is just as well, because my rooting interests have calmed in my older age. College basketball can go through stretches where it's just unwatchable because the officiating is so off-kilter, especially when Teddy Valentine is on the floor.
   55. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: March 13, 2020 at 01:18 AM (#5930250)
"Pulling a Rudy" should already be understood to refer to a tear-jerking underdog performance.

I thought it meant going on TV drunk, and incriminating oneself at top volume.


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