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Tuesday, October 26, 2021

Report: Padres interview Ozzie Guillen to be next manager


The San Diego Padres fired manager Jayce Tingler after an immensely disappointing 2021 season. The Padres collapsed in epic fashion down the stretch, failing to make the playoffs and resulting in Tingler’s ouster after just two seasons at the helm. San Diego is now seeking an upgrade at manager, and it looks like World Series champion Ozzie Guillen is a top candidate, according to Dennis Lin and Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic.

Guillen hasn’t managed since 2012 with the Miami Marlins. He won a World Series as a coach with the Marlins in 2003 and then returned to manage in 2012, but he only lasted one season because of some wild comments he made about Fidel Castro.

Before that one-year managing debacle with the Marlins, Guillen was the manager for the Chicago White Sox. The White Sox won the 2005 World Series with Guillen as manager, his second title in three years.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 26, 2021 at 03:54 PM | 26 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: October 26, 2021 at 04:15 PM (#6049179)
Yeah, that'll work.
   2. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: October 26, 2021 at 04:21 PM (#6049181)
Guillen got tossed from a spring training game I was at in 2012. Never saw that before or since.

Anyway, this seems like a terrible idea.
   3. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 26, 2021 at 04:40 PM (#6049186)
Guillen didn't last one season with the Marlins because he made "wild comments" about Fidel Castro. He got suspended for five games because of those comments - imagine how bad it would have been if the notion of Cancel Culture had been invented yet - but he got fired because the Marlins lost 93 games.

   4. JustDan Posted: October 26, 2021 at 04:47 PM (#6049187)
Wasn't Guillen traded to the Marlins from the White Sox for some players or am I misremembering?
   5. Mayor Blomberg Posted: October 26, 2021 at 04:59 PM (#6049189)
Tom -- Ask former Chief Art Acevedo, who is Cuban, how easy it is to run afoul of the Cuban mafia in Miami.
   6. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: October 26, 2021 at 05:15 PM (#6049192)
World Series champion Ozzie Guillen

Geez, and they haven't even started the friggin' World Series yet!
   7. Dennis Eclairskey, closer Posted: October 26, 2021 at 05:21 PM (#6049193)
The Padres were Guillen’s first professional MLB team, he signed as an amateur free agent in Dec 1980 a few weeks before his 17th birthday. Guillen batted .308 with very little power across four minor league seasons in the Padres system before being sent to the White Sox as part of the LaMarr Hoyt trade prior to the 1985 season
   8. The Duke Posted: October 26, 2021 at 05:24 PM (#6049194)
This is perfect. It’s clear the Padres need a sobering influence to ensure machado and Tatis get along.
   9. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: October 26, 2021 at 05:27 PM (#6049196)
Guillen didn't last one season with the Marlins because he made "wild comments" about Fidel Castro. He got suspended for five games because of those comments - imagine how bad it would have been if the notion of Cancel Culture had been invented yet - but he got fired because the Marlins lost 93 games.
Tom -- Ask former Chief Art Acevedo, who is Cuban, how easy it is to run afoul of the Cuban mafia in Miami.
yeah, i think it's worth clarifying that, because of the high concentration of cuban exiles in and around miami, making "wild comments about fidel castro" is very specifically a miami thing. what guillen said about castro* might have been more than a half-day story somewhere else, but not much more, and very probably less.


*guillen's comments, btw:
"I respect Fidel Castro," says Guillen, a Venezuela native who also says he respects Hugo Chavez. "You know why? A lot of people have wanted to kill Fidel Castro for the last 60 years, but that mother------ is still here."
   10. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: October 26, 2021 at 05:32 PM (#6049197)
as for the merits of the hire:

i've always liked ozzie, but i'll say the same thing about him that i said about gabe kapler when he was hired by the phillies a few years ago: it's not generally a good idea to put your organization's future in the hands of a nutter.
   11. Walt Davis Posted: October 26, 2021 at 05:32 PM (#6049198)
The White Sox won the 2005 World Series with Guillen as manager, his second title in three years.

Huh? Guillen did play in the 99 series with the Braves (they lost). 2004 was his first year as a manager. Ahh, he was a coach on the 2003 Marlins -- don't think I've ever seen a coach referred to as a title winner much less it being "his" title. (Sure, references to "he was the 3rd base coach on the champion Marlins" but not "he won a title as 3rd base coach for the Marlins.")
   12. McCoy Posted: October 26, 2021 at 07:01 PM (#6049207)
That's what having no professional editor and standard will do for you.
   13. Mr. Hotfoot Jackson (gef, talking mongoose) Posted: October 26, 2021 at 07:05 PM (#6049211)
While I sit here, tanned, rested & ready.

OK, rested & ready. My arms do seem somewhat tan.
   14. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 26, 2021 at 07:31 PM (#6049215)
*guillen's comments, btw:
"I respect Fidel Castro," says Guillen, a Venezuela native who also says he respects Hugo Chavez. "You know why? A lot of people have wanted to kill Fidel Castro for the last 60 years, but that mother------ is still here
Omitting Guillen’s “I love Fidel Castro” does make it sound a little better, but it’s dishonest.
   15. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 26, 2021 at 08:04 PM (#6049223)
it's not generally a good idea to put your organization's future in the hands of a nutter.


The SF Giants disagree with you with respect to Kapler



   16. The Honorable Ardo Posted: October 26, 2021 at 10:32 PM (#6049271)
Interesting fact about Guillen the player, in light of broader trends in the game: he had only 778 Three True Outcomes in 7133 PA (10.9%).

I haven't done a comprehensive search, but that has to be the lowest TTO percentage for any post-1960 player with a substantial career. Or is it?
   17. Jeff Francoeur's OPS Posted: October 26, 2021 at 10:56 PM (#6049278)
Meh, admiring Fidel Castro doesn't make him much different than Bernie or AOC, or the average leftist.
   18. The Duke Posted: October 26, 2021 at 11:02 PM (#6049283)
Yeah, there’s hardly any daylight between Bernie and Fidel. Fidel is a murderer and a torturer but Bernie just hasn’t had that chance yet.
   19. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: October 26, 2021 at 11:24 PM (#6049289)
The stupidity is just mindboggling.
   20. Soul Man Posted: October 26, 2021 at 11:27 PM (#6049292)
Interesting fact about Guillen the player, in light of broader trends in the game: he had only 778 Three True Outcomes in 7133 PA (10.9%).

I haven't done a comprehensive search, but that has to be the lowest TTO percentage for any post-1960 player with a substantial career. Or is it?


Almost certainly the lowest of his era, but there a few who beat him (not comprehensive):

Felix Millan: 582 TTO in 6325 PA (9.2%)
Glenn Beckert: 525 TTO in 5572 PA (9.4%)
Tim Foli: 689 TTO in 6573 PA (10.5%)
Tommy Helms: 566 TTO in 5337 PA (10.6%)
Bill Buckner: 1077 TTO in 10037 PA (10.7%)
   21. John Northey Posted: October 26, 2021 at 11:38 PM (#6049293)
Given how things are in the US I'd think he could only manage in a blue state right now with his 2010 comments about immigration - Guillen described illegal immigrants as "workaholics." so he might do OK in San Diego. Maybe.
   22. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: October 27, 2021 at 09:23 AM (#6049348)
Meh, admiring Fidel Castro doesn't make him much different than Bernie or AOC, or the average leftist.


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   23. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: October 27, 2021 at 10:58 AM (#6049357)
Hack sportswriter Rick Morrissey wrote a lousy book about Guillen near the end of his time in San Diego - but the book had one really nice nugget: Before each series, Guillen would receive an advance scouting report about the opposing team - and he'd throw it in the trash sight-unseen unless it was an interleague series. He viewed it as his ability vs. the scouts' ability. Forget, not liking Moneyball, he's ignoring scouts, too, seeing them as a threat to his turf.

In this day of increasing communication and cooperation between front office and manager, I really can't see Guillen ever get hired again as manager. It's amazing he got hired with his attitude when he did even.
   24. asinwreck Posted: October 27, 2021 at 11:17 AM (#6049362)
From an entertainment perspective, I am pleading with AJ Preller to make this happen.

It would be fun to have Ozzie manage all of the teams he played for, though I think it's quite unlikely he'd ever manage the Rays.
   25. McCoy Posted: October 27, 2021 at 11:18 AM (#6049363)
I ran into Ozzie once in DC at a Spanish tapas restaurant the night after a pretty good game in which the Sox ultimately lost to the Nationals. We were both at the bar waiting for the rest of our respective parties to show up and I let him know I was at the game yesterday and that it was a great game. He gave me a look that communicated "what are you talking about? We lost!". I had to stammer out that I was not a white Sox fan and was simply a baseball fan who enjoyed a well played game. He was not happy with me.
   26. Walt Davis Posted: October 27, 2021 at 10:58 PM (#6049503)
Per b-r, he remains the only Ozzie to manage in MLB. (For completeness, Oscar Charleston did manage in the NeL but as far as I know never went by Ozzie. Guillen is Oswaldo by the way. That also answer a question I meant to ask the other day as to whether NeL managerial records had been added to b-r and apparently the answer is yes.)

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