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Friday, March 30, 2012

Rockies’ Moyer makes rotation, will pitch April 7 vs. Astros

Did you know that President John Tyler has three living grandchildren, and one of them is Jaime Moyer?

Retirement can wait. History beckons.

Jamie Moyer officially joined the Rockies’ rotation Friday, leaving him in position to become the oldest pitcher ever to win a major league game when he starts on April 7 at Houston. The 49-year-old will pitch second in the Rockies’ rotation behind Jeremy Guthrie and in front of Juan Nicasio. Jhoulys Chacin will pitch the Rockies’ home opener on April 9.

The Rockies will go with four starters until April 15 when Drew Pomeranz makes his season debut against the Diamondbacks.

Moyer won the job, outpitching Tyler Chatwood and Guillermo Moscoso, who are combined 50 years old.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 30, 2012 at 09:51 PM | 105 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. AndrewJ Posted: March 30, 2012 at 10:14 PM (#4093460)
Hey, on June 16th, 1986 I was still two weeks away from graduating from high school -- and several of my former classmates are already grandparents.
   2. TerpNats Posted: March 30, 2012 at 10:15 PM (#4093461)
I eagerly await Moyer's AARP commercial with Betty White.
   3. willcarrolldoesnotsuk Posted: March 30, 2012 at 10:29 PM (#4093472)
Yay!
   4. Boileryard Posted: March 30, 2012 at 10:42 PM (#4093479)
One more season and his age will match his uniform number.
   5. Craig in MN Posted: March 30, 2012 at 10:54 PM (#4093486)
I think I would have made him the #1 starter. At that age, I'd also avoid buying green bananas and I would eat my desert before the meal. Just sayin.
   6. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: March 30, 2012 at 10:55 PM (#4093488)
Jamie Moyer once started a game against Steve Carlton.
   7. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: March 30, 2012 at 10:58 PM (#4093489)
Huzzah!
   8. John Northey Posted: March 30, 2012 at 10:59 PM (#4093492)
Woohoo! Lets hope he can do well and pitch again next year in his 50's. Love to see someone make a roster at that age legitimately (vs those who were on rosters to get their pensions).
   9. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: March 30, 2012 at 11:01 PM (#4093493)
Hey, on June 16th, 1986 I was still two weeks away from graduating from high school -- and several of my former classmates are already grandparents.

On June 16, 1986, I was less than one year old. My younger sister was not born for almost three more years; she's now a married college graduate.
   10. Boileryard Posted: March 30, 2012 at 11:08 PM (#4093499)
Jamie Moyer once started a game against Steve Carlton.

Four guys in that game later managed in the majors. One of them was hired and fired a decade ago.
   11. John Northey Posted: March 30, 2012 at 11:09 PM (#4093501)
Wikipedia lists Satchel Paige (59 - 3 IP after age 46), Jack Quinn (50 - 15 2/3 IP in his age 49 season) and Hoyt Wilhelm (49 - 25 1/3 IP) as the only other pitchers aged 49 or greater to play in a ML game. So all Moyer has to do is throw 45 innings to have thrown more innings at age 49 or greater than all other ML pitchers in history.

For hitters it is Minnie Miñoso (57 - 10 PA post age 38), Jim O'Rourke (54 - 4 PA post age 42), Charley O'Leary (51 - 1 PA post age 37), Julio Franco (49 - 106 PA in his age 48 season, 4 PA post turning 49), Hughie Jennings (49 - only played defense at 1B, didn't hit) and Arlie Latham (49 - 2 PA post age 39). So the total PA for guys 49 or older is 21 - another figure Moyer could easily pass this season.

No pitcher has thrown in a post-season game who was 47 or older.

So, should Moyer last the season and the Rockies make the playoffs and have him throw even one inning there he will have thrown more innings, had more PA, and more playoff appearances than all other 49+ year olds in baseball history combined.
   12. John Northey Posted: March 30, 2012 at 11:10 PM (#4093502)
In 1986 Lou Pinella managed his first game. He now is retired and might make the HOF due to his managing skills.
   13. willcarrolldoesnotsuk Posted: March 30, 2012 at 11:12 PM (#4093503)
On June 16, 1986, I was approximately 26 years younger than I am now.
   14. TerpNats Posted: March 30, 2012 at 11:19 PM (#4093507)
On June 16, 1986, Len Bias was still alive.
   15. Guapo Posted: March 30, 2012 at 11:20 PM (#4093508)
In 1986, Barack Obama was a 25 year old community organizer.
   16. Random Transaction Generator Posted: March 30, 2012 at 11:21 PM (#4093509)
Jamie Moyer once started a game against Steve Carlton.

The ones I tell my friends at work is:

"Jamie Moyer is so old, he's pitched against someone who was born before the Normandy Invasion in World War II."
(Tony Perez)

or

"Jamie Moyer is so old, he pitched in the same season in the same league as someone who was born before the start of World War II."
(Phil Niekro)

   17. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: March 30, 2012 at 11:28 PM (#4093515)
By WAR, Moyer has 3 seasons better than Jack Morris's best. I love that.
   18. Boileryard Posted: March 30, 2012 at 11:40 PM (#4093520)
When Moyer was in college, the NHL's version of the Colorado Rockies were still around.
   19. DanG Posted: March 30, 2012 at 11:40 PM (#4093521)
For hitters it is Minnie Miñoso (57 - 10 PA post age 38), Jim O'Rourke (54 - 4 PA post age 42), Charley O'Leary (51 - 1 PA post age 37), Julio Franco (49 - 106 PA in his age 48 season, 4 PA post turning 49), Hughie Jennings (49 - only played defense at 1B, didn't hit) and Arlie Latham (49 - 2 PA post age 39). So the total PA for guys 49 or older is 21
Nick Altrock should be included here as well. The PI gives this list of age-49+ seasons:

Rk           Player     OPSYear Age  Tm Lg  G PA R H BB SB    BA
1    Charley OLeary      403 1934  58 SLB AL  1  1 1 1  0  0 1.000
2     Satchel Paige     
-100 1965  58 KCA AL  1  1 0 0  0  0  .000
3      Nick Altrock     
-100 1933  56 WSH AL  1  1 0 0  0  0  .000
4     Minnie Minoso     
-100 1980  54 CHW AL  2  2 0 0  0  0  .000
5      Nick Altrock          1931  54 WSH AL  1  1 0 0  1  0
6       Jim ORourke       52 1904  53 NYG NL  1  4 1 1  0  0  .250
7      Nick Altrock      414 1929  52 WSH AL  1  1 0 1  0  0 1.000
8     Minnie Minoso      
-27 1976  50 CHW AL  3  8 0 1  0  0  .125
9      Hoyt Wilhelm     
-100 1972  49 LAD NL 16  2 0 0  0  0  .000
10       Jack Quinn     
-100 1933  49 CIN NL 14  1 0 0  0  0  .000
11     Jimmy Austin     
-100 1929  49 SLB AL  1  1 0 0  0  0  .000
12     Arlie Latham     
-100 1909  49 NYG NL  4  2 1 0  0  1  .000
13  Hughie Jennings          1918  49 DET AL  1  0 0 0  0  0 
   20. Rennie's Tenet Posted: March 30, 2012 at 11:42 PM (#4093524)
Jamie Moyer once started a game against Steve Carlton.


Carlton started a game against Curt Simmons.
   21. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: March 30, 2012 at 11:43 PM (#4093525)
Jamie Moyer pitched against Steve Carlton,
who once struck out Eddie Mathews,
who went 2-7 lifetime off Emil ("Dutch") Leonard,
who lost to Lefty Grove, 1-0, on Opening Day 1940.
Grove picked up his eighth career win against Hubert ("Dutch") Leonard,
pitcher for Ty Cobb's Tigers (Cobb went hitless).

I hope Moyer throws a perfect game, with zero strikeouts.
   22. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 30, 2012 at 11:45 PM (#4093528)

Four guys in that game later managed in the majors. One of them was hired and fired a decade ago.


Heck, one of the players in that game has a son that played MLB, and has been retired for several seasons.
   23. Random Transaction Generator Posted: March 30, 2012 at 11:54 PM (#4093534)
Is there any chance that David Bell has a son in the minor leagues some where, and MIGHT get a September call-up?
Because then Moyer would have a chance to pitch against 3 generations (Buddy and David and X).
   24. DanG Posted: March 31, 2012 at 12:06 AM (#4093538)
Moyer and a dozen comps. Players in the past 120 years within 11 WAR, 8 ERA+, and 450 IP of Moyer

Rk            Player  WAR ERA+     IP From   To   Age  GS SHO   W   L
1       Frank Tanana 55.1  106 4188.1 1973 1993 19
-39 616  34 240 236
2        Red Ruffing 53.6  110 4344.0 1924 1947 19
-42 538  45 273 225 H
3         Bob Friend 48.9  107 3611.0 1951 1966 20
-35 497  36 197 230
'4       Jamie Moyer 47.3  104 4020.1 1986 2010 23-47 628  10 267 204'
5         Waite Hoyt 47.0  112 3762.1 1918 1938 18-38 425  26 237 182 H
6    Dennis Martinez 46.9  106 3999.2 1976 1998 21
-43 562  30 245 193
7        Bobo Newsom 45.9  107 3759.1 1929 1953 21
-45 483  31 211 222
8      Mickey Lolich 45.6  105 3638.1 1963 1979 22
-38 496  41 217 191
9        Jack Powell 44.5  106 4389.0 1897 1912 22
-37 516  46 245 254
10       Jack Morris 39.3  105 3824.0 1977 1994 22
-39 527  28 254 186
11     Charlie Hough 37.5  107 3801.1 1970 1994 22
-46 440  13 216 216
12   Burleigh Grimes 37.2  108 4180.0 1916 1934 22
-40 497  35 270 212 H
13      Herb Pennock 36.9  106 3571.2 1912 1934 18
-40 419  35 241 162 H 
   25. Rally Posted: March 31, 2012 at 12:12 AM (#4093541)
Kirby Puckett was forced into retirement by injury, elected to the Hall of Fame, enjoyed 5 years as a living HOFer, and has now been dead for 6 years. He was only 2 years older than Moyer.
   26. Shock is here live. Shock is not a cat. Posted: March 31, 2012 at 12:16 AM (#4093542)
When I was born, Jamie Moyer was getting ready for his second season in the big leagues.
   27. Zonk Can Sell Culture Posted: March 31, 2012 at 12:16 AM (#4093543)
Outstanding. Just outstanding.
   28. Zonk Can Sell Culture Posted: March 31, 2012 at 12:23 AM (#4093547)
Let's say he stays healthy and in the rotation all year and manages 10-15 wins.... I think he's gotta try to stIck around for another couple years for 300, no? It really seems like there's no longer a non-zero chance he does it. If he does - then screw ERA+, screw WAR, he ought to go in, perhaps not a dual HoMEr, but a defInite hall of FAMEr
   29. "bothsidesism" word 57i66135 Posted: March 31, 2012 at 12:31 AM (#4093548)
I hope Moyer throws a perfect game, with zero strikeouts.
wasn't that a kevin costner movie?
   30. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: March 31, 2012 at 12:45 AM (#4093551)
I think this story is awesome, and I am rooting for Moyer to be successful, but let's be honest - what is the best we can reasonably expect from him in 2012? 125 IP, 10 wins, ERA in the mid-4's?
   31. DA Baracus Posted: March 31, 2012 at 01:14 AM (#4093557)
Jamie Moyer played with Gary Matthews Sr. It's possible that in addition to facing Matthews Jr. in the majors he also pitched to him in a father/son game.
   32. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: March 31, 2012 at 01:27 AM (#4093563)
Let's say he stays healthy and in the rotation all year and manages 10-15 wins.... I think he's gotta try to stIck around for another couple years for 300, no? It really seems like there's no longer a non-zero chance he does it. If he does - then screw ERA+, screw WAR, he ought to go in, perhaps not a dual HoMEr, but a defInite hall of FAMEr


I wouldn't really care if he gets to 300. If he can be an effective starter for another 2-3 years, even if he comes up short of 300, I'd probably vote for him based on the simple fact that he's doing something far beyond what any other ballplayer has ever been able to do.
   33. smileyy Posted: March 31, 2012 at 01:33 AM (#4093567)
Agree with [32]. The HOF is about the players with the extraordinary careers.
   34. puck Posted: March 31, 2012 at 02:17 AM (#4093582)
I think this story is awesome, and I am rooting for Moyer to be successful, but let's be honest - what is the best we can reasonably expect from him in 2012? 125 IP, 10 wins, ERA in the mid-4's?


Good question. I think to Moyer's benefit, the Rockies are fairly well set up for him to miss a start here and there if he needs it. I wonder what they'll do with Chatwood and Moscoso--will one be in the pen or will they both be in AAA putting the innings in so they remain "stretched out."
   35. puck Posted: March 31, 2012 at 02:34 AM (#4093587)
Whoops, Moscoso was optioned. Outman will make the pen (the team is considering carrying 8 relievers until Pomeranz is recalled for his 4/15 start). Chatwood is being considered for a bullpen role.
   36. Shock is here live. Shock is not a cat. Posted: March 31, 2012 at 02:45 AM (#4093589)
Jamie Moyer played with Gary Matthews Sr. It's possible that in addition to facing Matthews Jr. in the majors he also pitched to him in a father/son game.


Moyer made his debut with a team that included Davey Lopes. Six years later, Lopes had a son, Christian. Christian Lopes was drafted by the Blue Jays last year.

That team also included Chris Speier, whose son, Justin, retired 3 years ago. It is possible, though unlikely, that Justin could have a son who is almost old enough to play in MLB. Imagine Moyer pitching to Chris Speier's grandson?
   37. Lars6788 Posted: March 31, 2012 at 03:07 AM (#4093591)
Davey Lopes and the Blue Jays 2011 draftee Christian Lopes are not related.

Jamie Moyer played with Gary Matthews Sr. It's possible that in addition to facing Matthews Jr. in the majors he also pitched to him in a father/son game.



Moyer made his debut with a team that included Davey Lopes. Six years later, Lopes had a son, Christian. Christian Lopes was drafted by the Blue Jays last year.

That team also included Chris Speier, whose son, Justin, retired 3 years ago. It is possible, though unlikely, that Justin could have a son who is almost old enough to play in MLB. Imagine Moyer pitching to Chris Speier's grandson?
   38. Shock is here live. Shock is not a cat. Posted: March 31, 2012 at 03:35 AM (#4093592)
Is that so? I was going by this. Shame on me for not checking more sources.

edit: My (and his) bad.
   39. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: March 31, 2012 at 08:02 AM (#4093613)
most wins after the age of 35:
Niekro: 188
Moyer: 163
Spahn: 160
Cy Young: 160

Moyer had only 104 wins by age 35
   40. AndrewJ Posted: March 31, 2012 at 08:40 AM (#4093628)
Moyer made his MLB debut the Monday after the weekend BACK TO SCHOOL and FERRIS BUELLER'S DAY OFF were released. In 1986 there were only three commercial TV networks. The longest-running Broadway musical ever was still A CHORUS LINE.

Of the 26 MLB stadia when Moyer began his MLB career, only six are still functioning.

Dick Howser was still managing the Royals. Excuse me, the defending world champion Royals.

Jamie was in the bigs two weeks before Lindsay Lohan was born.
   41. The Long Arm of Rudy Law Posted: March 31, 2012 at 08:47 AM (#4093631)
Heck, one of the players in that game has a son that played MLB, and has been retired for several seasons.


Another one of the players in that game is old enough to have been traded for Julio Franco.

Hall of Famers Barry Larkin and Roberto Alomar made their MLB debuts after Moyer made his. Alomar's was two years later. Next year will be Mark McGwire's seventh year on the HOF ballot. His first game was two months after Moyer's.
   42. AndrewJ Posted: March 31, 2012 at 08:58 AM (#4093639)
No fewer than six of the Phillies Moyer faced on 6/16/1986 each retired over 20 years ago.
   43. The Long Arm of Rudy Law Posted: March 31, 2012 at 09:11 AM (#4093646)
Tom Kelly's first game as a manager was three months after Moyer's debut. Kelly won two World Series, managed another ten years after that, and retired 11 years ago.
   44. AndrewJ Posted: March 31, 2012 at 09:20 AM (#4093650)
On the afternoon of June 16, 1986, Cal Ripken Jr. had 1,969 consecutive games to go.
   45. Lassus Posted: March 31, 2012 at 09:31 AM (#4093654)
Posting this in a couple of places that are remaining in the sidebar anyhow, sorry:

In 30 minutes (10 AM) I have a Yahoo roto draft, three spots open, NL/AL, not super-sabr, low-key, quirky. Some primates (Ryan Jones, Mark Donelson, etc.) - Anyone who wants to join can have at it:

League name: Luna’s Pugs
password: pelfrey
   46. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: March 31, 2012 at 09:38 AM (#4093661)
Carlton started a game against Curt Simmons.


He also pitched in relief in Warren Spahn's final start.
   47. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: March 31, 2012 at 03:40 PM (#4093830)
Kind of an aside, but that's one ugly rotation the Rockies are trotting out there. Going to party like it's 1993?
   48. ajnrules Posted: March 31, 2012 at 03:46 PM (#4093833)
Jamie Moyer's major league debut was on the same day as Charlie Hough's near no-hitter when he lost the no hitter and the game with two outs in the ninth. It was also two days before Don Sutton won his 300th game.

I think Moyer has a great shot at joining Sutton in the 300 win club.
   49. AndrewJ Posted: March 31, 2012 at 03:53 PM (#4093839)
Since Moyer's MLB debut, Roberto Alomar and Barry Larkin have started and finished their entire big league careers and been elected to Cooperstown. And the HOF has inducted no fewer than 100 people since June 1986. Yes, a lot of them were the en masse Negro League inductions of 2006, but still...
   50. Thok Posted: March 31, 2012 at 03:59 PM (#4093841)
Clearly Moyer's been lying about his age, and he was really born in 1967.

Seriously, shifting Moyer's age by 5 years makes his career look a lot more normalish: he makes the majors at 18, fumbles around until figuring things out at 29, has a peak that goes from age 29-35, and is making a comeback at 44.

[/mock comment that isn't meant to be a serious accusation]
   51. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: March 31, 2012 at 05:24 PM (#4093875)

Kind of an aside, but that's one ugly rotation the Rockies are trotting out there. Going to party like it's 1993?


Featuring Jhoulys Chacin as Armando Reynoso, the hard-throwing foreigner! Drew Pomeranz as David Nied, the can't miss youngster! Jeremy Guthrie as Bruce Ruffin, the veteran whose terrible win-loss record hides not-so-terrible skills! And in a special guest appearance, Jamie Moyer as Bryn Smith!
   52. Adam B. Posted: March 31, 2012 at 05:42 PM (#4093882)
Jamie Moyer is one day older than Dulles International Airport.
   53. Swedish Chef Posted: March 31, 2012 at 06:03 PM (#4093893)
One thing remains the same however: Madonna is still trying to do sexy music videos just like in 1986.
   54. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: March 31, 2012 at 06:12 PM (#4093898)
Jamie Moyer officially joined the Rockies’ rotation Friday, leaving him in position to become the oldest pitcher ever to win a major league game when he starts on April 7 at Houston.

Just 19 years after Bryn Smith became the youngest pitcher ever to win a game for the Rockies, at age 37.
   55. The Long Arm of Rudy Law Posted: March 31, 2012 at 06:37 PM (#4093908)
If Moyer had been in the rotation for the original Rockies, he would have been the oldest one. Nobody who was born before Moyer made more than six starts for the 1993 Rockies.
   56. ntr RdP Posted: March 31, 2012 at 06:43 PM (#4093909)
Baseball is teh AWESOMEST!!
   57. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: March 31, 2012 at 06:46 PM (#4093910)
If Moyer had been in the rotation for the original Rockies, he would have been the oldest one. Nobody who was born before Moyer made more than six starts for the 1993 Rockies.

Once again I am forced to write three straight posts involving Bryn Smith. (he was born 7 years before Moyer and made five starts)
   58. DanG Posted: March 31, 2012 at 06:57 PM (#4093911)
Moyer is already the oldest pitcher to throw a shutout, in this game on 5/7/10 where he faced 28 batters.
   59. puck Posted: March 31, 2012 at 07:18 PM (#4093921)
There's some pretty funny and/or astonishing stuff in this thread, but I find this to be one of the more striking ones:

Of the 26 MLB stadia when Moyer began his MLB career, only six are still functioning


That really highlights the stadium-building boom.
   60. puck Posted: March 31, 2012 at 07:29 PM (#4093924)
Kind of an aside, but that's one ugly rotation the Rockies are trotting out there. Going to party like it's 1993?


4 league avg starters (or better, in the case of Chacin), plus whatever Moyer would be considered. Moyer's backed up by Moscoso and maybe Chatwood and White, with the idea that De la Rosa will return for the 2nd half.

Seems like a better plan than the infield.
   61. Zonk Can Sell Culture Posted: March 31, 2012 at 07:29 PM (#4093925)

Of the 26 MLB stadia when Moyer began his MLB career, only six are still functioning



That really highlights the stadium-building boom.


Has anyone named the 6?

Wrigley, Fenway.... Dodger Stadium? Oakland-Alameda whatever? Kaufman?
   62. AndrewJ Posted: March 31, 2012 at 07:33 PM (#4093927)
And the Angels' park in Anaheim.
   63. Shock is here live. Shock is not a cat. Posted: March 31, 2012 at 07:36 PM (#4093931)
I am actually excited to watch this on MLB.tv. Anyone want to take bets on what his fastball will hit? Will the TJ surgery add 5 MPH to that 81MPH cannon of his? :)
   64. TerpNats Posted: March 31, 2012 at 08:30 PM (#4093952)
I think Frank Robinson holds the record for the most ballparks where he hit at least one home run. Who holds the record for pitching wins in the most ballparks? Nolan Ryan would probably be up there (he picked up a victory at Camden Yards, and I wouldn't be surprised if he won a game at Forbes, Crosley or Connie Mack while with the Mets).

In other words, I hope Moyer posts a win at the Marlins' new ballpark. And CitiField if he hasn't already.
   65. McCoy Posted: March 31, 2012 at 08:32 PM (#4093953)
In 1986 there were only three commercial TV networks

Well, Fox had yet to launch a new show (that would come in the fall of 1986 with The Late Show with Joan Rivers) but Fox had already formed by the 1986 baseball season. In Chicago they owned WFLD, which if my memory is correct was channel 32. For us it was 2, 5, 7, 9, and 32.
   66. greenback used to say live and let live Posted: March 31, 2012 at 08:46 PM (#4093962)
Jamie Moyer is not older than Granville Waiters.
   67. vortex of dissipation Posted: March 31, 2012 at 08:56 PM (#4093964)
Moyer has won MLB games in 41 parks - ten more than Ryan...
   68. ajnrules Posted: March 31, 2012 at 08:59 PM (#4093965)
Who holds the record for pitching wins in the most ballparks?


Jamie Moyer is already way past Nolan Ryan. He's got 41 to Ryan's 31. He's still slightly behind Randy Johnson's 43, but he hasn't won at Great American Ballpark, AT&T Park, or even his new home ballpark: Coors Field.
   69. PreservedFish Posted: March 31, 2012 at 09:06 PM (#4093968)
This was the most unbelievable part of the Times article on Moyer last week:

In a zippered compartment of his shaving kit, Moyer keeps a copy of his original Cubs scouting report. Dated March 7, 1984, it notes his tepid fastball — 81 to 84 miles an hour — and his tendency to push the ball.


Almost 30 years later, he's only lost 1-2 mph off his fastball. He really is a phenomenon.
   70. Meatwad Posted: March 31, 2012 at 09:06 PM (#4093969)
Not counting the A's who gets the next new statidum? Moyer has been a in baseball all but the first year of my life!
   71. The Long Arm of Rudy Law Posted: March 31, 2012 at 09:15 PM (#4093970)
Once again I am forced to write three straight posts involving Bryn Smith. (he was born 7 years before Moyer and made five starts)


There is no bigger Bryn Smith fan than me, based on a game I watched on TBS, WGN, or WOR. Bryn Smith is who I think of when I hear "Expo," before Raines, Dawson, Wallach, and that bunch, but he only made one start after April 1993. That was on June 1, and he was released the next day.
   72. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: March 31, 2012 at 09:17 PM (#4093971)
When Jamie Moyer was born the Beatles had released one single and were about to record their second.

Only three other current major-leaguers (Rivera, Vizquel, Saito) were born before the Beatles BROKE UP in April 1970. (possibly Arthur Rhodes as well)
   73. The Long Arm of Rudy Law Posted: March 31, 2012 at 09:19 PM (#4093972)
Jamie Moyer is not older than Granville Waiters.


He is, somehow, older than Warner Saunders.
   74. cardsfanboy Posted: March 31, 2012 at 09:21 PM (#4093974)
I think Frank Robinson holds the record for the most ballparks where he hit at least one home run


I thought Giambi or Sheffield had that distinction.

Edit: Appears that it's Sammy Sosa


Sammy Sosa 1989-2005, 2007 45
Ken Griffey Jr. 1989-2009 44
Fred McGriff 1986-2004 43
Ellis Burks 1987-2004 41
Mike Piazza 1992-2007 40
Gary Sheffield 1988-2007 40
   75. AndrewJ Posted: March 31, 2012 at 09:22 PM (#4093976)
When Jamie Moyer was born the Beatles had released one single and were about to record their second.

And Ringo was just in his second month as their drummer.
   76. Shock is here live. Shock is not a cat. Posted: March 31, 2012 at 09:24 PM (#4093977)
Fun Moyer Article. He says he wants to pitch to one of his sons; his oldest was drafted by the Twins but didn't sign.
   77. The Long Arm of Rudy Law Posted: March 31, 2012 at 09:25 PM (#4093979)
Jamie Moyer's fastball can tear your heart out of your chest and show it to you before his changeup gets there.

Do not taunt Happy Fun Moyer.
   78. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: March 31, 2012 at 09:26 PM (#4093980)
Jaime Moyer is older than the word "clone." He's older than when George Wallace said "segregation now, segregation forever." Moyer's older than "The Feminine Mystique." He's older than "General Hospital" and Tab cola and Patsy Cline's plane crash. Moyer's older than Sean Connery as James Bond, Sonny Liston's heavyweight championship, "Blowin' in the Wind," Elizabeth Taylor in "Cleopatra," Roger Staubach's Heisman, the Rolling Stones on record, and "Ich bin ein Berliner." He's older than ZIP codes.
   79. Guapo Posted: March 31, 2012 at 09:41 PM (#4093991)
The square root of Jamie Moyer's age is.... seven.
   80. Tom Nawrocki Posted: March 31, 2012 at 09:43 PM (#4093993)
Jamie Moyer is older than Lee Harvey Oswald's Mannlicher-Carcano.
   81. AndrewJ Posted: March 31, 2012 at 09:47 PM (#4093994)
When Jamie was born, Catholic Masses were still conducted in Latin. Jim Boeheim had yet to join the Syracuse University basketball team, which had yet to play its first game at the brand-new Manley Field House."American Bandstand" was still broadcast from Philadelphia. Jamie was born the same month Johnny Carson began hosting "The Tonight Show."
   82. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 31, 2012 at 09:51 PM (#4093995)
Jaime Moyer is older than eight current U.S. Senators, 96 House members including the House Majority Leader, six sitting U.S. Governors, the 2008 Republican Vice president nominee, and two members of President Obama's cabinet. He is two years younger than Supreme Court justice Elena Kagan, a year younger than the Secretary of Treasury, and is just over a year younger than President Barack Obama.
   83. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: March 31, 2012 at 09:57 PM (#4093997)
Has there ever been a Supreme Court justice younger than a concurrent MLB player?

(quickly looks up the first thing that comes to mind)
Clarence Thomas and Nolan Ryan, yep.
   84. TerpNats Posted: March 31, 2012 at 10:00 PM (#4093999)
When Jamie was born, Catholic Masses were still conducted in Latin. Jim Boeheim had yet to join the Syracuse University basketball team, which had yet to play its first game at the brand-new Manley Field House.
And the Orange's former hoop home, the Onondaga County War Memorial, still hosted the NBA's Syracuse Nationals.

"Dobie Gillis" was in its fourth (and final) season when Jamie Moyer was born.
   85. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 31, 2012 at 10:13 PM (#4094010)
Jaime Moyer has won more games after his 40th birthday than Mario Soto, Zane Smith, Randy Jones, Lamarr Hoyt, Steve Avery, Bill Swift, Chris Bosio, Ted Higuera, Andy Ashby, Sidney Ponson, or Ben Sheets won in their entire career.
   86. Adam B. Posted: March 31, 2012 at 11:04 PM (#4094023)
   87. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: March 31, 2012 at 11:10 PM (#4094026)
I'm going by J.B.S. Haldane here. Or someone who had all of Haldane's characteristics...
   88. Ray (CTL) Posted: March 31, 2012 at 11:17 PM (#4094028)
Yes, yes, he's old. We get it.
   89. Cooper Teenoh Posted: March 31, 2012 at 11:18 PM (#4094030)
I just realized that the Cubs drafted Jamie Moyer and Greg Maddux in the same year. All other 1984 Cub draft picks appeared in a total of 243 major league games.
   90. McCoy Posted: March 31, 2012 at 11:19 PM (#4094032)
243 is more than a lot of other Cub draft years ever got.
   91. Ray (CTL) Posted: March 31, 2012 at 11:23 PM (#4094035)
Anyway, the more interesting point than "He once pitched to Ty Cobb" is how a player with 4 WAR at age 30 has pitched to age 49. He put up 30 WAR in his 30s, and 14 WAR so far in his 40s.
   92. McCoy Posted: March 31, 2012 at 11:27 PM (#4094038)
1988-230 games and -1.7 WAR
1989-254 games and -3.9 WAR
1990-64 games and -.9 WAR
1994 would have been 66 games and -.4 WAR if the Cubs hadn't drafted Kyle Farnsworth in the 47th round.

Is it any wonder that the Cubs sucked for most of the 90's? The only reason 1992 isn't up there is because Brant Brown got into 424 games. Otherwise it would have been -2.8 WAR and 221 games.


I'm guessing that 2005 is going to be the worst though. The only player to play in the majors so far is Donnie Veal with 19 games so far and -.3 WAR.
   93. PreservedFish Posted: March 31, 2012 at 11:43 PM (#4094047)
Yes, yes, he's old. We get it.

Yes, yes, you're humorless. We get it.
   94. baudib Posted: April 01, 2012 at 12:13 AM (#4094061)
Great thread minus soulless DiPerna.
   95. Meatwad Posted: April 01, 2012 at 01:01 AM (#4094070)
If he goes out and throws a perfet game against the Astros (considering the line up.its possible any night) would that make him a HOF lock?
   96. Karl from NY Posted: April 01, 2012 at 03:56 AM (#4094082)
Of the 26 MLB stadia when Moyer began his MLB career, only six are still functioning

Has anyone named the 6?
Wrigley, Fenway.... Dodger Stadium? Oakland-Alameda whatever? Kaufman?

Those five and Angel Stadium would be six.

Four more are still functioning, just not for MLB. Candlestick (49ers), Qualcomm (Chargers), Metrodome (Vikings), Olympic Stadium (Alouettes). And the Astrodome still stands but is not currently in use. Finally, RFK Stadium and the Dolphins' stadium existed at that time, later took on MLB teams, and still exist for other functions.
   97. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: April 01, 2012 at 04:31 AM (#4094083)
When Moyer turned 18, he could take a shortish drive into Maryland and legally purchase alcohol. In fact, Moyer was able to do so when he was 18 and 19, but not when he was 20.
   98. AndrewJ Posted: April 01, 2012 at 07:48 AM (#4094092)
When Moyer turned 18, he could take a shortish drive into Maryland and legally purchase alcohol. In fact, Moyer was able to do so when he was 18 and 19, but not when he was 20.

By the time Congress imposed the 21-year old drinking age nationwide in the summer of 1984, Moyer was already 21.
   99. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: April 01, 2012 at 10:04 AM (#4094107)
I'm going by J.B.S. Haldane here.


I believe Haldane's was the first use of "clone" as a verb, but Herbert Webber coined the noun in 1903. So whaddya say we have an angry linguistics thread?
   100. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: April 01, 2012 at 10:08 AM (#4094109)
Fun Moyer Article. He says he wants to pitch to one of his sons; his oldest was drafted by the Twins but didn't sign.

Who was that son? You guessed it ... Octavio Dotel.
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