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Rod Carew, Fergie Jenkins, Mike Schmidt, Ozzie Smith on Hall of Fame committee

Former commissioner Bud Selig, former Atlanta general manager John Schuerholz and retired manager Joe Torre—all three also in the Hall—are also among the voters scheduled to meet Sunday in Orlando, Florida, to consider candidates whose primary contributions were from 1950 to ‘69.

Current executives Al Avila, Bill DeWitt, Ken Kendrick, Kim Ng and Tony Reagins also are on the panel along with media members/historians Adrian Burgos Jr., Steve Hirdt, Jaime Jarrin and Jack O’Connell.

Gil Hodges, Roger Maris and Minnie Miñoso are among 10 men on the ballot along with Dick Allen, Ken Boyer, Jim Kaat, Tony Oliva, Billy Pierce and Maury Wills plus former Pittsburgh manager Danny Murtaugh.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: November 29, 2021 at 04:43 PM | 17 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Hombre Brotani Posted: November 29, 2021 at 05:04 PM (#6055208)
That Bud Selig is in the Hall of Fame is a knife to the heart.
   2. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: November 29, 2021 at 05:18 PM (#6055210)
Schmidt was a teammate of Allen and Kaat…Carew, Kaat and Olivia were teammates too. Anyone else?

Edit: Jenkins and Allen for a short time during Fergie’s MLB debut.
   3. DL from MN Posted: November 29, 2021 at 05:21 PM (#6055211)
Kim Ng on the panel. Is this the first woman to get a vote on the Era Committee?
   4. DL from MN Posted: November 29, 2021 at 05:22 PM (#6055213)
Kaat was a broadcaster for the Yankees when Torre was the manager.
   5. dlf Posted: November 29, 2021 at 05:33 PM (#6055215)
Carew was Oliva's roommate for years and they remain very close. Carew has stumped for Oliva's candidacy in the past.

   6. DL from MN Posted: November 29, 2021 at 05:38 PM (#6055217)
Not a great group of voters for Miñoso.
   7. Dr. Chaleeko Posted: November 29, 2021 at 05:54 PM (#6055220)
Re the Early Game ballot: Jenkins, Smith, Torre, Schuerholz, DeWitt, Kendrick and Reagins also are among 16 voters on the Early Baseball Era Committee along with Hall of Famer Bert Blyleven. Media members/historians include Hirdt and Burgos plus Gary Ashwill, Leslie Heaphy, Jim Henneman, Justice Hill, Rick Hummel and John Thorn.

Among these folks, the only one I’ve heard mention any candidates is Thirn who in a round table mentioned Bud Fowler as someone whose achievements as a serial baseball entrepreneur may have made him worthy of the Hall’s attention as a pioneer.
   8. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: November 29, 2021 at 06:14 PM (#6055222)
[1] It'll be much worse when Rob Manfred is inducted. By then, I fully expect the broadcast to run a prop bet scroll during his acceptance speech for the O/U length of it.
   9. Ron J Posted: November 29, 2021 at 07:34 PM (#6055232)
Way back Mike Schmidt was a vocal Pete Rose supporter. That won't matter though.
   10. dark Posted: November 29, 2021 at 08:40 PM (#6055240)
Burgos Jr. is a huge Minnie supporter and on his own makes it a good group for Minnie - he'll go to bat for him. If you look at his Twitter timeline, many of the tweets are about Minnie. I think it's actually a pretty favorable slate for Minnie because of that - there aren't many/any who would overtly object to Burgos Jr.'s arguments.
   11. The Duke Posted: November 29, 2021 at 09:22 PM (#6055251)
Three guys with strong STL ties (Dewitt, torre , smith ) plus it seems mostly an NL flavored committee

I’d say it’s good for Boyer (mike Schmidt should help there along with STL connections ), good for Oliva with Carew and Avila

Avila is first Cuban GM and Ng is first female GM so maybe good for Minoso. Burgos specializes in Latino sports history ! Jarrin is well known in Latino broadcasting circles

Kaat may get some love with Carew, Avila and jarrin

Hard to see this being a good committee for dick Allen, Maris, Pierre, Hodges, wills or murtaugh
   12. The Duke Posted: November 29, 2021 at 09:26 PM (#6055252)
I’d say that minoso will go in but it’s not clear to me if anyone else will. I’d like to see Kaat or Boyer or Allen but this looks like a tough crowd for Allen
   13. dark Posted: November 29, 2021 at 09:35 PM (#6055258)
Schmidt is on record referencing advanced statistics help Dick Allen's case and that he's a big proponent of Allen's case, and they played together. I'd actually argue Jarrin is great for Wills because he was broadcasting Dodgers games in 1959 and was doing radio during Wills' MVP year. He also broadcast for part of Hodges' Dodgers tenure, albeit the tail end.

And while it's largely an NL-flavored committee, most of the players missed the peaks of most of the candidates. Pierce, Hodges, Maris, Boyer, Minnie were all retired by 1969, and Schmidt didn't start until 1972, Ozzie until 1978, Carew until 1967. Ng was working for the ChiSox when they entertained Minnie's final comeback attempt in the early 1990s.

It's pretty varied, and it will be interesting to see what happens. Jenkins competed against, and played with, Allen, and might have first-hand knowledge of the racism Allen faced in Philly in the mid-60s.
   14. SoSH U at work Posted: November 29, 2021 at 09:41 PM (#6055260)
I’d be shocked if Allen isn’t elected, an expectation that preceded his death.
   15. John Northey Posted: November 29, 2021 at 10:19 PM (#6055268)
If Kaat and Minoso get in that is OK I guess - neither great choices, but neither are Harold Baines level jokes either. Wills would be a joke imo.
   16. The Duke Posted: November 29, 2021 at 11:37 PM (#6055285)
I don’t know about Murtaugh - guys like this seem to cruise through the vets committee and frankly I don’t understand why people like Marvin Miller and Murtaugh end up in the same list as the players. Shouldn’t they just have a non-playing committee to assess these folks?
   17. DL from MN Posted: November 30, 2021 at 10:35 AM (#6055322)
Burgos Jr. is a huge Minnie supporter and on his own makes it a good group for Minnie

Good to know. Oliva would argue for Minoso.

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