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Baseball Primer Newsblog — The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand Tuesday, January 17, 2012Rogue Columnist: Phoenix loses spring training
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Posted: January 17, 2012 at 01:25 PM | 17 comment(s)
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1. Steve Treder Posted: January 17, 2012 at 02:12 PM (#4038742)Possibly. If all the teams are outside the city of Phoenix, then there is a lot of tax revenue (hotel, food, etc) that won't be going into their coffers from people staying or eating near the stadium. But the city is no longer responsible for the maintenance and upkeep of the stadiums. So they make less money and spend less as well.
The A's facility was pretty mediocre and in a very industrial location that wasn't close to anything other than the Airport and Zoo. But it was a great location since it was easy to reach from much of the east valley, and the As never sold out so I could take an afternoon off any time I wanted and be guaranteed to see a game. Spring Training in general is not much of a boost to the local economy. It's one month where hotel and car rental rates are a bit higher than what they would be otherwise, but most of the profits leave town with the teams. If there were no spring training those hotels would still be full of golfers, sunbathers, and Scottsdale night life partiers.
Tucson is a beautiful place to visit and vacation and live. It was a lousy spot for spring training because it's 2 hours away from the rest of the teams, down a crappy freeway. Moving all the teams to the PHX area is much better for the fans, now you can see a different team in a different venue every day and never drive more than 40 minutes no matter where you stay in the valley.
And this hell-hole is 65 degrees today. Brrrr, chilly!
They roughly circle the city. There are two fairly close east of Phoenix, in Scottsdale, the Rockies/Diamondbacks (just across the 101 from Casino AZ!), Giants in downtown Scottsdale, and the Cubs/As fairly close in SE Valley. Mariners/Padres/Brewers/Dodgers are in the NW valley, Angels very close in SW valley.
So, as I wondered in my post with the gratuitious insult of your fine city, the absence of a team playing within the city won't necessarily cost Phoenix all of that hotel/tourist income that accompanies ST? If the teams are ringing the city, then ST visitors should still be staying in Phoenix in fairly healthy numbers. Sounds like a much better deal than spending millions to build a park.
And also, shouldn't we expect it to be warm in hellholes? (-:
Most (if not all) of the stadiums have hotels near them. So Phoenix will have fewer hotel/dining visitors without a Spring Training team. But it won't die completely.
No, but not for the reason you might think. It won't cost Phoenix not because people will still stay in Phoenix to visit parks outside, but rather because they probably weren't staying in Phoenix even when the teams were playing there.
Phoenix Muni is essentially in Tempe to begin with and if you wanted to stay near that stadium, your hotel would probably be in Tempe or in South Scottsdale. Any sight seeing or restaurant touring you'd do would be as likely to happen in Tempe as in Phoenix and more likely to happen in Scottsdale. The city loses little with this move, but only because they were gaining so little to begin with.
Yes, as has been pointed out, Phoenix is a very large city, and the economic impact on it from all of ST, let alone a single team, is small.
For the various suburbs ringing Phoenix that so furiously compete with one another for the teams, that isn't necessarily the case.
The city seems big enough and economically diverse enough that the loss of some ST dollars seems like a spoonfull out of a dump truck. Maybe some hotels and restaurants suffer slightly.
(I assume that in the background, Oakland and Milwaukee are working together to try and secure a new joint spring facility. If not, they should be: the new complexes are great for centralizing all the players and management.)
Loved it when the Padres were in Yuma and the Angels in Palm Springs.
I was at Super Bowl week in Phoenix in 2008.
Even for an event like that, the sidewalks folded up by 7 pm, and in came the tumbleweeds. The nearest thing to a pulse was in Scottsdale.
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