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Wednesday, October 13, 2021

Ron Washington? Buck Showalter? Breaking down possible Mets managerial candidates

Buck Showalter
The veteran skipper has not managed since 2018 with the Orioles, and he’s made broadcast TV appearances ever since. In a recent interview with The Athletic, Showalter said he doesn’t consider himself retired and he’s certainly open to managing again. Moreover, Showalter said he would listen if the Mets called about their managerial vacancy.

“I don’t talk about jobs that aren’t currently open, so the ones that are, it’s always an honor just to be mentioned,” he said. “They got a lot of good, qualified people to pick from. I don’t know (if I will be asked to interview). That’s not my decision, but I’d listen if they (the Padres or Mets) called. Like I said, it’s an honor just to be mentioned.”

Showalter, 65, has managed the Yankees, Diamondbacks, Rangers and Orioles in a 20-year span from 1992-2018 with a few hiatuses in between. His name frequently pops up in discussions for manager openings, with his pitfall potentially being that he’s too old-school in a modern, analytics-based process. He was named Manager of the Year in 1994, 2004, and 2014 and has a 1551-1517 career record.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 13, 2021 at 02:18 PM | 27 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: buck showalter, carlos beltran, joe mcewing, mets, ron washington

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   1. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: October 13, 2021 at 02:23 PM (#6046109)
He was named Manager of the Year in 1994, 2004, and 2014 and has a 1551-1517 career record.

I guess the 2024 season is going to be pretty good for the Mets if he is still their manager.
   2. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 13, 2021 at 03:11 PM (#6046122)
Carlos Beltran
. . .
Both Cora and Hinch have returned to manage the Red Sox and Tigers, respectively, after serving one-year suspensions, and many in the industry believe it’s time for Beltran to follow suit.
Would the Metsiest outcome be rehiring Beltran, only to have something else disqualifying arise, leading to him again being fired before managing a single game?
   3. McCoy Posted: October 13, 2021 at 03:24 PM (#6046129)
They should hire a 29 year old to manage them.
   4. Nasty Nate Posted: October 13, 2021 at 03:31 PM (#6046134)
Managing the Mets - it's not that hard.
   5. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 13, 2021 at 03:35 PM (#6046135)
Isn't it time for a "Wally Backman believes he should be Mets manager" article? You can set your watch to them!
   6. Howie Menckel Posted: October 13, 2021 at 04:05 PM (#6046139)
Lenny Dykstra as the next Billy Martin !
   7. Harmon "Thread Killer" Microbrew Posted: October 13, 2021 at 04:19 PM (#6046143)
   8. bfan Posted: October 13, 2021 at 04:21 PM (#6046144)
He was named Manager of the Year in 1994, 2004, and 2014 and has a 1551-1517 career record.


Well, the out years cannot have been very kind to him, as I assume he was way over .500 in the 3 years he was manager of the year, and he only has +34 to work with for his career record.
   9. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 13, 2021 at 04:31 PM (#6046147)
his pitfall potentially being that he’s too old-school in a modern, analytics-based process
I heard him earlier this year on TV still espousing the "high butt, no redheads" crap.
   10. JJ1986 Posted: October 13, 2021 at 05:06 PM (#6046151)
Maybe they should hire a ####### GM first.
   11. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: October 13, 2021 at 06:20 PM (#6046163)
Given the headline, I was sure this was another 10-year-old thread revived by some kind of adbot.
   12. Walt Davis Posted: October 13, 2021 at 07:19 PM (#6046168)
Under the Gabe Kapler theory, you want Jayce Tingler.

Showalter's career might have progressed and be viewed much differently if not for the 94 strike. The Yanks were cruising along at 70-43, best in the AL and leading their division by 6.5 games. No guarantee of making/winning the WS of course but winning the WS in year 3 certainly would have changed a lot -- likely a nice long extension rather than let go after a solid season in 95.

His overall record is almost a testament to his achievements. He managed the expansion DBacks which cost him 32 wins under 500 ... then won 100 next year (with a very different roster) and finished over 500 overall there. He took over a bad Rangers team and made them respectable. He took over a lousy O's team (losing 24 games to 500) then won 93 the next year and 96 two years later. He would have finished well over 500 in Balt too except he stayed for a very painful final year of 47-115. He was at 1504-1402 before that disaster.

But the main "mystery" with Showalter is that he got fired after winning seasons in NY (even a WC) and AZ. Owners, GMs and/or players seem to get tired of his schtick quick.
   13. Dennis Eclairskey, closer Posted: October 13, 2021 at 08:25 PM (#6046178)
The Mets have a bad history of losing GMs & managers to scandals so it’s almost like whoever the team hires is gonna suddenly have a bunch of skeletons fall out of their closet

I’m not sure why Showalter doesn’t stay longer but NY & Arizona both won the World Series the year after letting him go. I didn’t realize he had a +.500 record or that he surpassed 1500 wins. I know the criteria for managers & the Hall of Fame is harder to identify than for players (no MGR WAR ;-) Showalter seems like a candidate but not someone who will get in unless he wins a ring or maybe two.
   14. Howie Menckel Posted: October 13, 2021 at 08:44 PM (#6046182)
Zach Britton waits at home for a call from the Mets seeking a recommendation - a call to a bullpen(er) that, as Britton knows all too well, may never come.
   15. Walt Davis Posted: October 13, 2021 at 09:37 PM (#6046192)
(no MGR WAR ;-)

Somewhere a Jaffe sheds a tear. (Sorry, I could never keep straight which one of you was which ... the intertubes say this one is Chris but you can't trust anything on the wireless these days!)
   16. Dennis Eclairskey, closer Posted: October 13, 2021 at 09:58 PM (#6046199)
I haven’t been posting here much in the last few years but I do remember Chris Jaffe posting here under the name Dag Nabbit (or something like that) and he’d usually provide good insights on managers. We have JAWs for one Jaffe, maybe Chris could come up with a crafty acronym & do one for managers. I’ll see if I can use the google & find his spreadsheet
   17. SoSH U at work Posted: October 14, 2021 at 12:59 AM (#6046208)
Chris is indeed Dag, as well as the author of the authoritative Evaluating Baseball's Managers.
   18. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: October 14, 2021 at 08:32 AM (#6046222)
Breaking down possible Mets managerial candidates

There's no better way to break a man down than to make him manager of the Mets.
   19. Too Much Coffee Man Posted: October 14, 2021 at 07:09 PM (#6046390)
Wait, there's more than one Jaffe?
   20. JJ1986 Posted: October 14, 2021 at 07:42 PM (#6046400)
Jay Jaffe - mustache; Chris Jaffe - no mustache.
   21. gef the talking mongoose, peppery hostile Posted: October 14, 2021 at 08:09 PM (#6046404)
Sam Jaffe -- deceased.
   22. O Tempura, O Morays ('Spos) Posted: October 14, 2021 at 08:16 PM (#6046406)
Howie, post 14 is perfect.
   23. The Honorable Ardo Posted: October 14, 2021 at 09:47 PM (#6046425)
Bradley's #18 made me spit out my coffee. It killed Gil Hodges, slid Casey Stengel into senility, disillusioned Davey Johnson... and that's the tip of the iceberg.
   24. SoSH U at work Posted: October 14, 2021 at 10:07 PM (#6046434)

Sam Jaffe -- deceased.


And, surprisingly, two E Al Jaffee is not.
   25. Lassus Posted: October 14, 2021 at 10:10 PM (#6046436)
I would rather pick a name out of a hat from a phone book than get a same ol' same ol' manager like Showalter or Washington. I'm biased and subjective, but ugh.
   26. nick swisher hygiene Posted: October 14, 2021 at 10:13 PM (#6046438)
“We want you to be the manager for the New York Mets…”
   27. Howie Menckel Posted: October 14, 2021 at 11:29 PM (#6046477)
"I'm from the Mets, and I'm here to hire you"

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