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Thursday, December 08, 2011
1.Astros take Rhiner Cruz from Mets.
2.Twins take Terry Doyle from White Sox.
3.Mariners take Lucas Luetge from Brewers.
4.Orioles take Ryan Flaherty from Cubs.
5.Royals take Cesar Cabral from Red Sox; traded to Yankees for cash.
6.Cubs take Lendy Castillo from Phillies.
8.Pirates take Gustavo Nunez from Tigers.
21.Braves take Robert Fish from Angels.
22.Cardinals take Erik Komatsu from Nationals.
23.Red Sox take Marwin Gonzalez from Cubs.
25.Diamondbacks take Brett Lorin from Pirates.
29.Yankees take Brad Meyers from Nationals.
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Posted: December 08, 2011 at 03:29 PM | 44 comment(s)
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1. Krusty Posted: December 08, 2011 at 04:00 PM (#4010205)I've never heard of Rhiner Cruz before, but I'm assuming that this is the next Josh Hamilton or Johan Santana.
EDIT: Eh, he's a crappy reliever.
I read somewhere else that he was then traded to the Astros
He's defensively indifferent, but he bats left-handed, has a good track record, and can play (albeit poorly) both corner OF spots, 2B, 3B, and 1B.
This was a mistake and while I'm not calling for his head - it was a dumb move.
That's a lot of MLB transactional activity for a guy w/ a 5.00 ERA in Mexico.
Lendy Castillo - without looking it up, I'm picturing either a relief pitcher or a middle infielder.
Heh - I looked it up. He's a former middle infielder converted to relief pitcher. Time to go buy a lottery ticket.
Edit: Also, he's never been above A ball. This is kind of a baffling pick.
Well, considering the Cubs have gotten so many useful innings from Wells and Marmol - perhaps they like to fancy themselves the specialists when it comes to converted pitchers.
This guy's a 25-year-old righty with a 5:4 K/BB and a 1.40 WHIP in 2A. I know the Rule 5 crop borders on god-awful these days, but this guy's the No. 1?
Also, can't believe Texas RHRP Johan Yan didn't get picked. He's a misfit, but at 22 and with his track record, I'm baffled he was passed over.
I'm still pretty surprised no one picked up Mariners LHP Phillipe Valiquette. Lefty that throw 99 don't grow on trees. Of course, he has no idea where its going and he has a two cent head, but usually teams think they can sort that out.
In fairness, neither had Joakim Soria when the Royals selected him.
In that league, 5.00 at least beats league average.
And best of luck to Charles Cutler in the Pirates' system. Hope he gets a solid opportunity.
They picked up a Lendy, but they also dropped a Marwin. So they're even-steven.
Puns make me ralph.
It was the Astros.
Nunez was a pretty crappy pick by the Pirates.
Not to mention is he somehow better than Cabral, who the Sox lost?
Where I am from, Ralphing is praying to the porcelain gods...or throwing up. Somehow, I don't think this is what you meant :)
Rhee's results have been pretty meh, haven't they? And he's never pitched above A ball. Great talent, but I'm not too surprised.
I am surprised on Pham. And Jiwan James too. But maybe teams weren't looking for outfielders (Komatsu was taken, although he seems a bit more polished).
It's the rule 5. Anyone with any kind of upside available in it is far away from the big leagues. If they had talent and AA experience, they wouldn't be left unprotected for the Rule 5.
Judging by the K rate, he looks like your standard-issue live arm. Who knows -- as you said, it's like buying a lottery ticket.
As for Flaherty and Gonzalez, I won't be losing any sleep about seeing them go.
I wouldn't be so sure on Flaherty... I've never been one to be all that high on the Cubs system, but I did like Flaherty as a nice sleeper. I think he'll carve out a nice little career for himself in the Tim Teufel mode.
I'd be willing to bet he ends up putting up a solid 3-400 ABs of 15 HR 275/350/425 for someone.
Do the rules carry over after the trade? That is, do the Yankees have to keep him on the major league roster all year, presuming they want to keep him?
And, uh, I assume this is the Cesar Cabral in the Red Sox organization who does not have a lifetime minor league ERA of 16.20, right?
Yes to both.
Johan Santana was originally drafted by the Marlins in the Rule 5, and traded to the Twins for the immortal Jared Camp.
I would have given good money to have Harry broadcast that game.
Valiquette was hurt and didn't pitch at all last year, plus he doesn't have anything useful other than the fastball. Then when you add in the wildness and the off-the-field stuff...
-- MWE
Is that true? Seems like that would make those players nice pickups then.
Brad Emaus was left unprotected again. He'd be sorta useful as AAA depth for someone.
Johan Yan would like a word with you.
Yes, I am sure there isn't any reason at all that every team in baseball decided he wasn't worth 50k.
Yes. When a Rule 5 pick's original team takes him off the 40-man roster after he clears waivers, that's an outright assignment, and a player can declare FA after his second outright assignment.
Thus, if you take a player as a R5 pick who's been outrighted off a 40-man roster before under other circumstances, then the same thing would be true there.
The original team.....you mean the team that selected him in the draft? The original team didn't have him on the 40 man roster at all.
Here's how I understand it....player is not on 40 man roster. He gets select in the Rule 5 draft, placed on 40 man roster of new team. They waive him before returning him to his original team, but 28 teams would have to keep him on the 40 man roster to claim him, so they don't. The next year, the same thing happens, so he has been waived twice, and is a free agent if he wants to be. No team wants him on the 40 man roster, and you have to talk him into signing with you like any other free agent.
What would it take to convince an average player to stay with the selecting team, I wonder? A $10K salary increase/signing bonus and good marketing jobs about how much better his chances are in the new organization? For $60K, you've added some depth. If one in ten contribute anything in the Majors, that's still a good deal. Teams make trades to keep those players often enough that you'd think there would be a little more opportunity to take advantage of.
What happens to the $25K that you would get from the original team if they took him back? I assume they off the hook, since you can't offer to return a free agent? So drafting those guys is more risky on that side?
I admitted right upfront that Yan is a misfit, but at age 22 and with his track record through 2A (and in the Fall League), I can't believe he's not worth a $50,000 gamble.
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