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Rules for pitcher feats in 7-inning twin bills

According to the Elias Sports Bureau, Major League Baseball’s official statistician, neither a team nor an individual pitcher will be credited with a no-no in a scheduled seven-inning game of a doubleheader—unless that game goes to extras. If the contest extends to at least nine innings and that pitcher (or a team’s group of pitchers) has still not allowed a hit, then it goes down in the history books as a no-no.

Elias’ designation follows the tradition of a 1991 ruling by a committee led by then-Commissioner Fay Vincent that stated that in order for a pitcher to be credited with a no-hitter:

“…a pitcher or pitchers had to pitch a complete game of nine innings or more without allowing a hit. Any game of fewer than nine innings in which a pitcher or pitchers do not allow a hit should be considered as a ‘notable achievement.’”

 

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 07, 2020 at 11:57 PM | 16 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. BDC Posted: August 08, 2020 at 11:20 AM (#5968445)
I found these 7-inning CG no-hitters on B-Ref, I guess none of which had gone down in the "official" records as no-hitters. They are what they are. Ed Karger's in 1907 does not seem to have been perfect, despite just 21 batters faced. The box score lists him as hitting one batter, and lists a different Cardinal as stealing a base; I am not sure how things went down but there appear to have been baserunners.

Player                    Date  Tm Opp  Rslt   AppDec  IP H BF
Sam Jones           1959
-09-26 SFG STL W 4-0 SHO(7W 7.0 0 23
Walter Johnson      1924
-08-25 WSH SLB W 2-0 SHO(7W 7.0 0 23
King Cole        1910
-07-31(2CHC STL W 4-0    SHO W 7.0 0 24
Ed Karger        1907
-08-11(2STL BSN W 4-0    SHO W 7.0 0 21
Stoney McGlynn   1906
-09-24(2STL BRO T 1-1       CG 7.0 0 23
Jake Weimer      1906
-08-24(2CIN BRO W 1-0    SHO W 7.0 0 22 


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   2. bunyon Posted: August 08, 2020 at 11:33 AM (#5968446)
I hate the 9 inning rule. If an official game is shorter, for whatever reason, and a team doesn’t get a hit, it was a no-hitter.
   3. pikepredator Posted: August 08, 2020 at 11:46 AM (#5968447)
I hate the 9 inning rule. If an official game is shorter, for whatever reason, and a team doesn’t get a hit, it was a no-hitter.


Agreed. If rain shortens a game, it's still a CG/no-hitter/perfecto/win/whatever.

If a hitter goes 3-for-3 in a 7-inning game, that hitter still batted 1.000 for the game.

   4. BDC Posted: August 08, 2020 at 11:47 AM (#5968448)
Four of those games above were second games of doubleheaders. They were not scheduled as 7/7 doubleheaders; three of the first games went nine innings and one went eleven. But I suspect a lot of second games of deadball doubleheaders were set more or less formally to end after seven innings. (Somebody here will know the actual practice, I am sure.) Christy Mathewson, for instance, had seven career 7-inning CGs, all of them second games of doubleheaders. Seven-inning CGs were very common in the 1900s, most of them second games of DHs; 8-inning CGs were pretty rare and few of them were in doubleheaders. (So it's likely there was a 7-inning limit set to a lot of them, and the game wasn't just called when it got too dark. Which seems fair and less open to suspicions cast on the umpires.)
   5. Mayor Blomberg Posted: August 08, 2020 at 01:14 PM (#5968458)
BDC - The Karger game is more curious still. Karger was a Cardinal and the player hit by a pitch was his teammate. The base was stolen by Boston's catcher, Tom "Deerfoot" Needham.
If the HBP and SB were by teammates, the latter could have come after a FC.

Also, the game was shortened by prior agreement, which was common at the time..
   6. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: August 08, 2020 at 01:25 PM (#5968460)
I saw a 7 inning perfect game in person, thrown by Dennis Burlingame of the Durham Bulls on opening day 1989. (Steve Avery threw a shutout in the nightcap.) The Burlingame game is easily the most locally famous ballgame ever played.

I want 7 inning perfect games to count so I can say I've seen a perfect game, albeit not one in MLB.
   7. BDC Posted: August 08, 2020 at 01:29 PM (#5968461)
Thanks, Mayor! I must say, I have been to a lot of Ranger games that I wished they’d arranged to end after seven innings ...
   8. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: August 08, 2020 at 02:17 PM (#5968466)
One year when I was working in Des Moines, my boss decided to have an all-hands meeting - which was weird, because we never did those. And she chose an off-site venue, which was even weirder.

It was at Sec Taylor Stadium, in an outfield luxury box, during an unscheduled doubleheader. We had the meeting during the first game, and when it finished I went out on the patio to check out the game. That's when I noticed the I-Cubs were two outs away from being no-hit by Salt Lake's Frank Rodriguez.
   9. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: August 08, 2020 at 02:17 PM (#5968467)
Also, the game was shortened by prior agreement, which was common at the time..


Along with wearing an onion on your belt.
   10. Bob T Posted: August 09, 2020 at 12:50 PM (#5968603)
The Karger game was 21 up and 21 down by him. The boxscore in BBRef shows that it was the Boston pitcher who hit the batter. The stolen base is entered incorrectly. The boxscores of newspapers at the time credit it to Ed Konetchy. But just one.

So something is amiss with the boxscore, but I think it was a game deduced from other info.
   11. Bob T Posted: August 09, 2020 at 02:25 PM (#5968626)
Retrosheet confirmed that the boxscore for the Karger game has an error and the stolen base for the Boston player will be removed. There is a whole bunch of evidence that it was 21 up, 21 down.
   12. BDC Posted: August 09, 2020 at 03:21 PM (#5968637)
Cheers, Bob T, that's great!
   13. Bob T Posted: August 09, 2020 at 08:32 PM (#5968687)
Needham had stolen a base the next game and it got entered in the wrong box score. And stolen bases don't cancel out like PAs and outs recorded, so there's not a good way for a computer to catch these mistakes I was told.
   14. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: August 09, 2020 at 10:37 PM (#5968718)
I hate the 9 inning rule. If an official game is shorter, for whatever reason, and a team doesn’t get a hit, it was a no-hitter.


Just want to second the agreement on this. Every game is something, most of the time it’s combined 11 hitter or something but if a pitcher gets a win and a complete game without allowing a hit, it’s a no hitter.
   15. SoSH U at work Posted: August 09, 2020 at 11:27 PM (#5968724)
The worst of those erased no-hitters were the 8-inning no-hitters because the team lost. You could have had a losing no-hitter if you were pitching for the home team, but you can't lose the game as a visitor.

   16. Mayor Blomberg Posted: August 10, 2020 at 12:44 AM (#5968728)
Thanks for all the behind the scenes info Bob T.

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