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Sunday, April 25, 2021

San Diego Padres’ Fernando Tatis calls post-homer trolling of Trevor Bauer ‘payback time’

On his way to second base on his first home run Saturday night, San Diego Padres shortstop Fernando Tatis Jr. turned toward his dugout and covered one of his eyes, teasing Los Angeles Dodgers starter Trevor Bauer for occasionally pitching with one eye closed. After crossing home plate on his second home run, Tatis imitated a strut popularized by UFC star Conor McGregor—the one Bauer often deploys after dominant half-innings.

After the game, which the Dodgers won 5-4 at Dodger Stadium, Bauer made it a point to speak out in support of Tatis’ actions.

“I like it,” Bauer said. “I think that pitchers who have that done to them and react by throwing at people, or getting upset and hitting people or whatever—I think it’s pretty soft. If you give up a homer, the guy should celebrate it. It’s hard to hit in the big leagues.

“So, I’m all for it. And I think it’s important that the game moves in that direction, and we stop throwing at people because they celebrated having some success on the field.”

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 25, 2021 at 10:34 AM | 34 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: April 25, 2021 at 12:02 PM (#6015253)
Refreshing response from Bauer.
   2. Brian Posted: April 25, 2021 at 12:03 PM (#6015255)
Go ahead Bauer haters, criticize him for this one.
   3. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 25, 2021 at 12:25 PM (#6015256)
“I’m obnoxious toward other people, so I’m fine when they’re obnoxious toward me.” Yay?
   4. cardsfanboy Posted: April 25, 2021 at 12:43 PM (#6015258)
Refreshing response from Bauer.


agree, and post 3 is also correct, the point is if you are going to be like that, you should be fine if others respond in kind.
   5. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: April 25, 2021 at 01:54 PM (#6015263)
Look, growing up watching baseball in the late-1970s-through-1980s era, there was a lot more action on a pitch-to-pitch, batter-to-batter basis - more contact, more baserunning, more of an emphasis on scoring runs through rallies rather than walks and home runs.

But, at least for now, we don't have that. What we do have are a lot of young, very talented, very athletic, and in many cases, energetic and charismatic, stars. So let's embrace what we do have! I like what Bauer is saying here, and I like what Tatis is bringing on the field, both in terms of play and attitude. It also means he can swing on a 3-0 pitch, and people need to chill out when he does.

Look, Rickey Henderson, Tim Raines, or even Omar Moreno and Vince Coleman aren't trying to steal 100 bases a year anymore, as fun as that was to watch. There's no Royals or Cardinals on artificial turf creating chaos with lots of triples and bunt singles, etc.

Right now, baseball's most exciting moments are like pro wrestling, except the results aren't pre-determined: It is the hard-throwing, try-to-strike-everybody-out pitcher versus the power-hitting, intense, every-swing-could-be-a-home-run beast. And whoever wins the next matchup is going to talk #### right there, on the field - and the other person will not forget it, and look forward to throwing it right back in their face the next time to face off.

Bauer vs Tatis is exactly what baseball is in 2021.
   6. "bothsidesism" word 57i66135 Posted: April 25, 2021 at 02:05 PM (#6015264)
Go ahead Bauer haters, criticize him for this one.

bauer is the kind of ####### who, when you ask him if he's an #######, he will admit to you that he's an #######.

which is to say that whether his opinion is right or wrong, whether it's pleasant or divisive, it's going to get said. often loudly.


but yes, he's on the right side of this one.
   7. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 25, 2021 at 02:11 PM (#6015266)
   8. phredbird Posted: April 25, 2021 at 02:39 PM (#6015268)

even a blind squirrel finds his nuts now and then.
   9. The Gary DiSarcina Fan Club (JAHV) Posted: April 25, 2021 at 02:43 PM (#6015270)
Right now, baseball's most exciting moments are like pro wrestling, except the results aren't pre-determined: It is the hard-throwing, try-to-strike-everybody-out pitcher versus the power-hitting, intense, every-swing-could-be-a-home-run beast. And whoever wins the next matchup is going to talk #### right there, on the field - and the other person will not forget it, and look forward to throwing it right back in their face the next time to face off.

Bauer vs Tatis is exactly what baseball is in 2021.


And you'll forgive me if I find none of that exciting. I don't watch pro wrestling for many reasons - taunting, self-aggrandizing celebrations, manufactured drama beyond the sporting event itself - it's not compelling to me at all. #3 said it - guys being obnoxious to each other doesn't get me excited.

As for the actual gameplay that lends itself to that kind of drama, I don't care for it either, unless it's the exception, not the rule. A bunch of fireballers throwing 96 to a bunch of guys swinging out of their shoes to hit homeruns is also not compelling.

I will continue to watch baseball because I love baseball and it hasn't gotten bad enough yet that I want to abandon it. But if Tatis and Bauer strutting around is what baseball is in 2021, I'm not thrilled about the direction of the sport.
   10. Srul Itza At Home Posted: April 25, 2021 at 03:26 PM (#6015275)
I don't watch pro wrestling for many reasons - taunting, self-aggrandizing celebrations, manufactured drama beyond the sporting event itself



???

Since when is pro wrestling a sporting event?
   11. Brian C Posted: April 25, 2021 at 03:32 PM (#6015278)
“I’m obnoxious toward other people, so I’m fine when they’re obnoxious toward me.” Yay?

That's at least a half-yay in my book - it's really an extremely unusual attitude for obnoxious people to have.
   12. dejarouehg Posted: April 25, 2021 at 04:06 PM (#6015294)
taunting, self-aggrandizing celebrations, manufactured drama beyond the sporting event itself - it's not compelling to me at all. #3 said it - guys being obnoxious to each other doesn't get me excited.

As for the actual gameplay that lends itself to that kind of drama, I don't care for it either, unless it's the exception, not the rule. A bunch of fireballers throwing 96 to a bunch of guys swinging out of their shoes to hit homeruns is also not compelling.

I will continue to watch baseball because I love baseball and it hasn't gotten bad enough yet that I want to abandon it. But if Tatis and Bauer strutting around is what baseball is in 2021, I'm not thrilled about the direction of the sport.


Perfectly put. Though I have to admit, the once-in-a-blue moon Tim Anderson bat flip, when it's an important time in the game or a game winner, I can live with. Conceptually, I like a joyous celebration and hate the "look-at-me, chest-thumping," (a/k/a just about every play made by a wide receiver in the NFL) behavior.

What drives me up a wall now is the omnipresent post-home run nonsense. Between the stupid contrived handshakes to the shopping cart in the Red Sox dugout.....vomitous.

There was just something very classy about the way Mantle did his home run trot and back to the dugout.
   13. "bothsidesism" word 57i66135 Posted: April 25, 2021 at 04:09 PM (#6015295)
There was just something very classy about the way Mantle did his home run trot and back to the dugout.

he just always left the pills in his locker.
   14. Tom Goes to the Ballpark Posted: April 25, 2021 at 04:41 PM (#6015308)
That's at least a half-yay in my book - it's really an extremely unusual attitude for obnoxious people to have.
Bauer is an #######, but he is not a hypocrite or in denial that he is an #######.
   15. Walt Davis Posted: April 25, 2021 at 05:02 PM (#6015312)
Meanwhile, Mr. Tatis, Jr seems intent on hitting 74 HR this year ... and that's just against the Dodgers.
   16. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 25, 2021 at 07:00 PM (#6015327)
Seemed like an exciting series for an early-season series, this rivalry is going to be great for baseball.
   17. vortex of dissipation Posted: April 25, 2021 at 07:15 PM (#6015328)
One of the things I loved about watching the KBO last season was the bat flips. They seemed far more of a celebration of what the batter had done than an attempt to show up the pitcher, and it was fun to watch.
   18. Walt Davis Posted: April 25, 2021 at 08:39 PM (#6015345)
So another one and he has 6 against the Dodgers already this season. Anybody know what the record is for one season?

I thought Schmidt v Cubs might be a place to start giving he had 4 in one game but he had only one more that year. He did hit 78 against the Cubs for his career, the most against any team.
   19. "bothsidesism" word 57i66135 Posted: April 25, 2021 at 08:51 PM (#6015347)
So another one and he has 6 against the Dodgers already this season. Anybody know what the record is for one season?

I thought Schmidt v Cubs might be a place to start giving he had 4 in one game but he had only one more that year. He did hit 78 against the Cubs for his career, the most against any team.
sosa hit 12 vs. MIL in 98.
   20. Howie Menckel Posted: April 25, 2021 at 09:08 PM (#6015348)
am a bit more impressed by rookie Cardinals lefty Larry Jaster SHUTTING OUT THE DODGERS FIVE TIMES in 1966, as LA charged to the NL pennant. he was the first in 50 years to achieve the feat, and remains the only one to go "5 for 5."

Jaster is 77 years young, and seeing as no pitcher has tossed five TOTAL shutouts since King Felix in 2012, I doubt Larry is worrying about anyone breaking this one.
   21. cardsfanboy Posted: April 25, 2021 at 09:10 PM (#6015349)
I thought Schmidt v Cubs might be a place to start giving he had 4 in one game but he had only one more that year. He did hit 78 against the Cubs for his career, the most against any team.

No clue, I gave up my pi, so I can't search for something like that, but it will be fairly easy to find in the split portion of pi.

Using what they allow, it appears the record is 14 but I don't know the top result. Sosa has 12 for 11th all time against the Brewers. (along with a few other players, most of which from 8 team leagues)
   22. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 25, 2021 at 09:47 PM (#6015357)
Most HR vs. any opponents, one season:

Lou Gehrig, 1936 vs. CLE - 14
Jimmy Fox, 1932 vs. DET - 13
Gleyber Torres 2019 vs. BAL - 13
Joe Adcock 1956 vs. BRO - 13
Hank Sauer 1954 vs. PIT - 13
Roger Maris 1961 vs. CHW - 13

In the divisional era:
Torres, 2019
Sammy Sosa 1998 vs. MIL - 12
Sammy Sosa 2001 vs. HOU - 11
Willie Stargell 1971 vs. ATL - 11
Mike Trout 2019 vs. TEX - 11
Jim Thome 2002 vs. MIN - 11
Harmon Kilelbrew 1969 vs. OAK - 11
Aaron Judge 2017 vs. BAL - 11
Barry Bonds 2001 vs. SDP - 11
Luis Gonzalez 2001 vs. LAD - 11
Alex Rodriguez 2003 vs. ANA - 11
Brian Dozier 2016 vs. KCR - 11
Dale Murphy 1983 vs. SFG - 11
   23. Walt Davis Posted: April 25, 2021 at 10:19 PM (#6015363)
I'd never heard of Jaster, that was quite the feat, and his 5 ShO led the league so triply amazing they were all against one team.

Strange career -- a swingman who kept posting numbers good enough you'd think he'd earn a permanent rotation slot then had a bad 1968, exposed in the expansion draft to Montreal and just kept sliding. He was very tough on LHB but everybody platooned in those days so over 80% of his BF were RHB.

And yes, FTj has a way to go before matching the immortal Brian Dozier much less catching Gleyber.
   24. Lowry Seasoning Salt Posted: April 25, 2021 at 10:34 PM (#6015366)
sosa hit 12 vs. MIL in 98.


How soon people forget. Gleyber hit 13 against Baltimore in 2019.
   25. Walt Davis Posted: April 25, 2021 at 11:44 PM (#6015406)
How soon people forget. Gleyber hit 13 against Baltimore in 2019.

We were limiting ourselves to the majors.
   26. pikepredator Posted: April 26, 2021 at 12:06 PM (#6015466)
But if Tatis and Bauer strutting around is what baseball is in 2021, I'm not thrilled about the direction of the sport.


When I was a kid, popular stars like Reggie and Rickey gave me the feeling that "sweet, being a pro ballplayer can be just as FUN as it is in my little-league daydreams". People probably complained about the "direction" it was going back then, too.
   27. SoSH U at work Posted: April 26, 2021 at 12:21 PM (#6015471)
When I was a kid, popular stars like Reggie and Rickey gave me the feeling that "sweet, being a pro ballplayer can be just as FUN as it is in my little-league daydreams". People probably complained about the "direction" it was going back then, too.


Baseball is fun. Hits and homers and lineouts and diving catches and stolen bases and caught stealings are all fun. They were fun to do as a ballplayer and they are fun to watch as a fan.

The impressive thing about Jose Bautista's playoff homer was how damn far he hit it, not that he threw his bat in the air real high. I could do the second thing.
   28. pikepredator Posted: April 26, 2021 at 12:41 PM (#6015478)
I don't disagree, SOSH . . . but if we take stoicism to it's extreme, it wouldn't be as much fun (for me) to watch players express zero emotion when they do something cool. We probably just disagree on where that line is drawn. Seeing players' exuberance spill over, I can relate to that and it gets me more excited than seeing someone put their head down and run out a HR without a hint of a smile or any sense that they are excited or thrilled . . .

w/r/t this particular bauer/tatis thing . . . I don't know, it gives me the feeling those two are like me and my buddies bowling or whatever, giving each other some crap and it's all in good fun. I much prefer that kind of joyous goofing around to the "you watched that HR for a second too long so I'm gonna hit you next time up because you're disrespecting me" school of thought.
   29. The Gary DiSarcina Fan Club (JAHV) Posted: April 26, 2021 at 01:53 PM (#6015498)
I don't disagree, SOSH . . . but if we take stoicism to it's extreme, it wouldn't be as much fun (for me) to watch players express zero emotion when they do something cool. We probably just disagree on where that line is drawn. Seeing players' exuberance spill over, I can relate to that and it gets me more excited than seeing someone put their head down and run out a HR without a hint of a smile or any sense that they are excited or thrilled . . .


I don't have a problem with players being excited, although I would love for the excitement to be more team-centric rather than "Look at what I did!" And as has been discussed here on numerous occasions, there seems to be something different between the joy of Joe Carter hitting his walk-off and the anger(?) expressed by Jose Bautista in his violent batflip.

I understand this is all subjective, and it's difficult to draw a bright line somewhere and say "everything on this side of the line is good and everything on that side lacks class and humility." In general, I think the world could use more humility and less arrogance, so I'm always going to favor the stoics. Garret Anderson was one of my favorite players of all time, and the guy didn't even crack a smile when he hit bases loaded double in game 7 of the World Series. But I also like the joy and exuberance with which Mike Trout plays the game.

I think the thing that annoys me most is we've got a fantastic series between two great baseball teams and some really excellent baseball is being played (2021 style, but it's still good baseball) and yet one of the main stories to come out of it is an analysis of the celebration/taunting between two players.

Edit: Just as an example, on the ESPN home page is a highlight from this game. The highlight is not "Watch Tatis Jr. crush two homeruns off of Trevor Bauer." I would watch that. The highlight is "Tatis trolls after taking Bauer deep twice." I'm not interested in watching someone troll someone else.
   30. pikepredator Posted: April 26, 2021 at 02:21 PM (#6015509)
I would love for the excitement to be more team-centric rather than "Look at what I did!"


I'm with you on that. The Red Sox (yes I'm a fan) silly laundry cart celebration in the dugout is a riot.

As to home run celebrations/etc. Fisk>>>>>>>>Bautista. Bat flips are boring.
   31. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 26, 2021 at 03:47 PM (#6015534)
I'm not interested in watching someone troll someone else.
And yet, here you are on the internet.
   32. The Gary DiSarcina Fan Club (JAHV) Posted: April 26, 2021 at 03:54 PM (#6015535)
And yet, here you are on the internet.


That's why when Al Gore invented the internet, he gave us an ignore button.

In truth, I've left a few sites in the last couple years where trolling seems to be the primary form of discourse.
   33. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: April 26, 2021 at 04:10 PM (#6015540)
Not sure what the record is, but, the first season he was back in mlb, Eric Thames hit 8 hr in his first 6 games of the season against the Reds.

edit: looks like he ended up with 10 of his 31 hr in 2017 going against the Reds
   34. Howie Menckel Posted: April 26, 2021 at 04:36 PM (#6015545)
I'd never heard of Jaster, that was quite the feat, and his 5 ShO led the league so triply amazing they were all against one team.

I got a couple of Jaster's later Topps cards as a kid, and they would mention the feat on the cardback and - well, it seemed impossible to believe, and against the pennant-winners no less.

I guess it still does, which is why it sticks in my mind. Jaster only started 21 games that year and had only one other CG (not a shutout). 111 ERA+ in spite of the 5 blankings, with 11 QS. only started one game from May 1 thru July 11 and only pitched one game at all from May to mid-June (demoted). 17 of the 21 starts came after the All-Star break, when the Cardinals finally traded aging (poorly) veteran Curt Simmons.

6-4, 4.54 ERA vs rest of the NL.

the Dodgers had 24 hits - all singles - in those 45 innings.

Jaster, in his second start of 1967, blanked the Dodgers for 6 MORE innings before allowing a sac fly in the 7th.

funny, in light of what I had typed previously, his SABR bio closes with:

"In a 1996 interview Jaster was asked to recall remarkable exploits from his career. He replied that “[a]s time goes on [the string of shutouts against the Dodgers is] more unbelievable to me.”

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