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Tuesday, July 27, 2021

Seattle Mariners players feel ‘betrayed’ after Kendall Graveman traded to Astros, per report

The Seattle Mariners completed an exhilarating comeback to erase a 6-0, first-inning deficit and beat the AL West rival Houston Astros (SEA 11, HOU 8) on Monday night. It was the thrilling game for a Mariners team that has far exceeded expectations.

Less than 24 hours later, the clubhouse was enraged. The Mariners on Tuesday not only traded away ace reliever Kendall Graveman, who struck out two in a scoreless inning Monday, but they traded him to the Astros in a four-player swap. Graveman has been lights out all season (three earned runs in 33 innings) and now he’ll help Houston as it tries to win the division crown.

“(This) is a move we feel makes us a deeper team today, as well as moving forward,” GM Jerry Dipoto said in a statement. “We are certain to be very active in the hours and days ahead as we remain committed to making moves that will enhance our chances over the season’s final 60 games and hopefully beyond.”

Mariners players in the clubhouse were unwilling to take Dipoto’s words at face value. They were very upset with Graveman being traded to a division rival. Ryan Divish of the Seattle Times has the details:

Several players opted not to speak on the record about the move, but their anger was palpable. Sources said equipment was broken and smashed while one player “went absolutely mad.”

“Betrayed” was a word used often.

“Are you (expletive) kidding me?” said the same player. “It never changes. They don’t care about winning. How do you trade him and say you care about winning? And you trade him to Houston? It never changes.”

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 27, 2021 at 10:53 PM | 18 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: astros, kendall graveman, mariners

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   1. Jeff Francoeur's OPS Posted: July 27, 2021 at 11:11 PM (#6030833)
Babies.
   2. SoSH U at work Posted: July 27, 2021 at 11:45 PM (#6030841)

Babies.


The club, which hasn't made the postseason in 20 years, is one game out of the WC race and just dealt their closer to a division rival for not much. They ought to be pissed.
   3. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: July 28, 2021 at 12:09 AM (#6030843)
#2

Indeed. The players' reaction in real time is understandable, even if the deal works out.
   4. Yonder Alonso in misguided trousers (cardinal) Posted: July 28, 2021 at 12:09 AM (#6030844)
Traded not only to a division rival, but one against whom they are currently playing the second game of a 3-game series (literally, it's the top of the 6th right now). "Betrayed" might be hyperbole but it's definitely weird by DiPoto and uncomfortable for the players.
   5. Hombre Brotani Posted: July 28, 2021 at 12:39 AM (#6030848)
I was a big Dipoto guy when he got the Angels job, but he talks a better game than he general manages.
   6. Howie Menckel Posted: July 28, 2021 at 12:42 AM (#6030850)
07.27... ESPN's Jeff Passan reports that the Mariners are finalizing a trade for Pirates starter Tyler Anderson.
Spin: Anderson was almost out the door to Philadelphia on Tuesday afternoon, but that agreement hit a snag due to a medical issue involving one of the players that the Pirates were slated to get in return from the Phillies. Now the Mariners have swooped in, beating out late offers from some other teams that reportedly tried to enter the bidding on Tuesday night -- namely the Mets. Anderson should be a nice depth addition to the starting rotation in Seattle, and this acquisition might help to calm some of the frustration in the Mariners' clubhouse that followed the recent trade of Kendall Graveman to the Astros.

...........

[innings eaters get more appealing each year]
   7. Walt Davis Posted: July 28, 2021 at 04:09 AM (#6030852)
Graveman of course has been an oft-injured average starter. Maybe he's the next Gagne or maybe he's about to turn back into a pumpkin. Joe Smith has a long history as an effective reliever but is old and been terrible this year. If you believe the last 20-30 innings for both these guys, it's a terrible trade and a betrayal. If both guys turn back into themselves again, then the Ms got back a guy at least as good as the one they gave up plus a prospect. Because of his age, I'm not gonna bet on Smith being any good for the rest of this year (or probably ever again) but I'm not gonna bet on Graveman being much good the rest of this year either.

So a classic sell-high trade. I will agree 100% it's just asking for grief doing this in the middle of a series against each other but, if the prospect is worth anything at all, this was probably a good trade by the Ms.
   8. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 28, 2021 at 08:54 AM (#6030857)
The club, which hasn't made the postseason in 20 years, is one game out of the WC race and just dealt their closer to a division rival for not much. They ought to be pissed.

Awful, awful decision by DiPoto. You can't worry about adding some marginal future value while you're in the middle of a playoff race. Toro's last prospect rating was a 45+, he's not a budding superstar.

Serves him right if the team quits on him.
   9. bookbook Posted: July 28, 2021 at 09:00 AM (#6030860)
Graveman is a loss. However, Toro—even in 2021–is an upgrade over Bauers, and maybe Moore and Long as well. The Mariners have so many holes, they’re still given much lower odds at the playoffs than the teams who trail them in the wildcard race.
   10. TomH Posted: July 28, 2021 at 09:04 AM (#6030861)
I get that the players are unhappy. But if I were the GM, how important is this? What are my odds of making the playoffs and getting past a 1-game WC to get to the field of 8 teams? Gotta be less than 1 in 10. The Mariners can't hit, and can't pitch. So they luck-clutched their way into a WC race. Maybe I would have waited 2 days, but... Graveman's stock may have peaked right at this moment.
   11. Jose Has Absurd Goosebump Arms Posted: July 28, 2021 at 09:08 AM (#6030862)
The Mariners haven't made the playoffs for 20 years. If I'm their GM I'm going balls to the wall to get in right now. Graveman's not a true <1.00 ERA pitcher (duh) but ride it out. There is no reason the Mariners couldn't have improved on any number of holes without trading the guy who has been one of their best players.
   12. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 28, 2021 at 09:08 AM (#6030863)
I get that the players are unhappy. But if I were the GM, how important is this? What are my odds of making the playoffs and getting past a 1-game WC to get to the field of 8 teams? Gotta be less than 1 in 10. The Mariners can't hit, and can't pitch. So they luck-clutched their way into a WC race. Maybe I would have waited 2 days, but... Graveman's stock may have peaked right at this moment.

You have to look at the impact on fans too. This is a deeply dysfunctional organization that has never won anything. If the team fades now, fans are going to feel like the team punted a playoff race. That can't be good for attendance.

Putting an attractive product on the field that attracts fans is every bit as much DiPoto's job as adding 0.7 expected wins over the next three years.
   13. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 28, 2021 at 09:09 AM (#6030864)
The Mariners haven't made the playoffs for 20 years. If I'm their GM I'm going balls to the wall to get in right now. Graveman's not a true <1.00 ERA pitcher (duh) but ride it out. There is no reason the Mariners couldn't have improved on any number of holes without trading the guy who has been one of their best players.

Exactly.
   14. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 28, 2021 at 09:30 AM (#6030867)

Graveman of course has been an oft-injured average starter. Maybe he's the next Gagne or maybe he's about to turn back into a pumpkin. Joe Smith has a long history as an effective reliever but is old and been terrible this year. If you believe the last 20-30 innings for both these guys, it's a terrible trade and a betrayal. If both guys turn back into themselves again, then the Ms got back a guy at least as good as the one they gave up plus a prospect. Because of his age, I'm not gonna bet on Smith being any good for the rest of this year (or probably ever again) but I'm not gonna bet on Graveman being much good the rest of this year either.


Toro was the get, Smith was a throw-in. Toro is a guy that analytics guys have touted as a breakthrough guy for years, but if the Astros couldn't get it out of him...
   15. Astroenteritis Posted: July 28, 2021 at 11:27 AM (#6030888)
Toro was blocked at every position with Houston. I wouldn't bet against him being a decent bench player, at minimum, for quite a few years, and the return of Alydmys Diaz from injury made him expendable. Agree that it's a sell-high by the Mariners, as Graveman is unlikely to maintain anything like his current form, though he's a rental for Houston and they only need him to maintain that form for a couple of months.
   16. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: July 28, 2021 at 11:57 AM (#6030901)

Toro was blocked at every position with Houston. I wouldn't bet against him being a decent bench player, at minimum, for quite a few years,


Hopefully that isn't his agent's opening spiel.
   17. Walt Davis Posted: July 28, 2021 at 06:15 PM (#6031076)
Of course Smith was a throw-in, I wasn't suggesting otherwise. I was pointing out that, in this case, the throw-in may be as good as the guy they traded.
   18. Captain Supporter Posted: July 28, 2021 at 06:24 PM (#6031080)
Dipoto is clearly in the wrong job. He needs to be the GM of a fantasy team, not a team with actual human beings.

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