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Sunday, January 19, 2020

Setting sights on spring training, Jose Altuve confident embattled Astros will ‘be in World Series’

HOUSTON—A week filled with fines, suspensions, firings and impromptu news conferences as a result of their sign-stealing scandal ended awkwardly in Houston on Saturday, with the Astros meeting and greeting fans and media at their annual winter festival.

Two of the team’s biggest stars—Jose Altuve and Alex Bregman—took center stage: one for his unfazed confidence, the other for his terse tone and tenor.

Houston second baseman Jose Altuve said the Astros will be in the World Series again, while pushing back on the idea that the team’s cheating went beyond the sign-stealing detailed in MLB’s report earlier this week.

“Believe me, in the end of the year, everything will be fine,” he said. “We’re going to be in the World Series again. People don’t believe it, we will. We will. We made it last year, we were one game away of winning it all.”

Well, there’s no way this is going to backfire…..

 

QLE Posted: January 19, 2020 at 12:21 AM | 30 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Blastin Posted: January 19, 2020 at 07:18 AM (#5917310)
So is this attitude - exactly the attitude that got them in trouble in the first place, because other teams were tired of their behavior - ever going to end? Or is every team going to be given a warning before every game starts not to hit them repeatedly?
   2. Sunday silence Posted: January 19, 2020 at 09:13 AM (#5917318)
Is he going to respond to the questions of being wired? Or is this just a friendly press conference thing?
   3. LargeBill Posted: January 19, 2020 at 09:29 AM (#5917320)
This is nothing. In January every player should express confidence that his team is going to compete for the championship.

As to responding to questions regarding the cheating scandal, I pretty confident that every player on the Astros and Red Sox have been told to memorize various versions of "No comment." None of them can benefit from discussing it at all. First rule of holes is put down the shovel.
   4. Sunday silence Posted: January 19, 2020 at 09:37 AM (#5917323)
Well part of is that the Comm'r says teams can't talk about it. But is that supposed to cover the players too? Obviously some players are commenting on the scandal.

If presumably they are allowed to comment on that, you would think they sure as hell would start denying the wire/buzzer thing. Or unless they really are guilty of that then...I guess dont say nothing until asked by the Commr.
   5. Astroenteritis Posted: January 19, 2020 at 11:06 AM (#5917341)
Pretty generic response as to the team's prospects this year, but I have a feeling the Astros won't even win the division, and might miss the playoffs altogether. Some will call it karma or the baseball gods or whatever, but it's going to a weird and difficult season, I predict.
   6. Jose Is Absurdly Chatty Posted: January 19, 2020 at 11:09 AM (#5917345)
I think the Astros are still heavy favorites. My one fear if I were an Astro fan would be that the two top guys in the rotation are 36 and 37 years old. As good as they were a year ago pitchers are scary creatures. If Verlander/Greinke can make 55 starts they should be fine.
   7. The Yankee Clapper Posted: January 19, 2020 at 11:59 AM (#5917355)
I would think the Astros should have a tougher road this year. Cole is gone, more age on the other key starters, new manager, lots of distractions from media frequently bring up the sign-stealing scandal, fans more hostile than normal, and perhaps some opposing pitchers who were previously torched by the Astros taking revenge via a few well-aimed fastballs that ‘get away’. That might make for a less than ideal environment, and Oakland did win 97 games last season.
   8. pikepredator Posted: January 19, 2020 at 12:50 PM (#5917363)
I pretty confident that every player on the Astros and Red Sox have been told to memorize various versions of "No comment." None of them can benefit from discussing it at all. First rule of holes is put down the shovel.


You're right . . . but it would admirable for an Altuve or someone to simply say "hey, you've read the report . . . you've seen the videos with the trash can bangs . . . we got carried away, it was a stupid thing to do, and we're sorry for damaging the reputation of the game. We're a talented team, and we're excited to show that to the baseball world!"

But the true apology/acknowledgement remains a very rare thing, and acting with integrity continues to be undervalued (or worse, exploited by the media).
   9. Mayor Blomberg Posted: January 19, 2020 at 01:09 PM (#5917365)
Is he going to respond to the questions of being wired? Or is this just a friendly press conference thing?


This team exiles unfriendly journalists.
   10. LargeBill Posted: January 19, 2020 at 01:47 PM (#5917373)
6. Jose Goes to Absurd Lengths for 50K Posted: January 19, 2020 at 11:09 AM (#5917345)
I think the Astros are still heavy favorites. My one fear if I were an Astro fan would be that the two top guys in the rotation are 36 and 37 years old. As good as they were a year ago pitchers are scary creatures. If Verlander/Greinke can make 55 starts they should be fine.


Fully agree. Every team's success is tied to starting pitching and all of us are a year older than last year. As we age, recovery from slight strains and the aches of a long season becomes more difficult. Not predicting a significant decline for either one specifically, but having your top two starters deep into back nine of their career and #3 coming off TJ surgery doesn't inspire confidence that everything will go well. No longer a betting man, but I'd bet the under.
   11. Astroenteritis Posted: January 19, 2020 at 02:00 PM (#5917378)
My one fear if I were an Astro fan would be that the two top guys in the rotation are 36 and 37 years old.


Much of my pessimism comes from thinking the pitching may be pretty average. I could see Houston being a generic 85-87 win team, and I'm pretty sure either Oakland or the Angels will win more than that.
   12. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 19, 2020 at 02:05 PM (#5917379)
Co-sign #8. Unfortunately we live in a time when people have realized they can get away with stonewalling and/or outright lying and never be held accountable.
   13. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: January 19, 2020 at 02:33 PM (#5917380)
C.C. Sabathia:
“Fucking ’17, we should have won the World Series. I don’t care what nobody says. And now that this happened, nobody can ever fucking tell me that we wasn’t gonna win it. We should have won! There’s no way you can tell me we weren’t better than them. I don’t give a fuck what nobody says. I felt that shit. I fucking cried like a baby. We all felt that shit. So it ain’t no way you can ever tell me. …forever in my mind, now, we won the World Series. They couldn’t beat us here [at Yankee Stadium]. The games there [in Houston] were so close. One run, one hit, one fucking sign! We had magic, and they stole that shit from us. I felt it, man, and I had got over it. Let it go, got over it, and maybe like I was tripping, they were a better team. They won, they beat us. And then this came back, and now I feel it again. I’m pissed! I just felt that shit in my bone. I knew that team in ’17 was good enough to win the World Series.”
   14. Howie Menckel Posted: January 19, 2020 at 03:39 PM (#5917385)
Jose Altuve 2019: Tiny Terror Tot
Jose Altuve 2020: Tiny Terrorized Tot
   15. Walt Davis Posted: January 19, 2020 at 04:10 PM (#5917393)
Obviously repeating 2019 is not expected. Folks have identified the main risks but not the potentially good (baseball) things.

Altuve missed a month and Correa missed half the season and Alvarez played only half the season so there's potential improvement there to offset the likely regression from Bregman, Alvarez and the aging Gurriel (and whoever's at C). Anyway, Altuve, Correa, Bregman and Springer is one heck of an offensive core.

Forrest Whitley and Kyle Tucker have been high on prospects lists for a few years now. A team of this caliber doesn't often have two good prospects waiting in the wings (along with the 23-year-old Alvarez).

The rotation and bullpen have issues but Whitely, Urquidy and McCullers are a nice consolation prize. Chances are good that at least oe of them will have a lousy year (just the nature of things). The bullpen looks thin at the moment.

Cole, Miley, Will Harris, Chirinos out the door; Tucker and Whitley in plus full seasons of Urquidy and Alvarez and the return of McCullers. Could be a lot worse.

The A's did win 97 games, even pythag'd 97, but I'm not sure anybody understands how. Olson and Chapman can be expected to repeat, maybe Semien and Laureano are for real but there's not another position player you'd want on your team. There's not a SP you'd want to rely on and the bullpen relied on 80+ innings from Liam Hendricks and Yusmeiro Petit. Maybe there are some kids on the way but the 2019 team looks pretty flukey. The Angels should be better but won only 72 games last year.

Things go wrong and the Astros will have a lot of off-field pressure. But at first glance, they look like the favorites by a healthy bit, probably still the favorites if you dock them 4-5 games for distractions.
   16. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: January 19, 2020 at 04:58 PM (#5917406)
“Fucking ’17, we should have won the World Series. I don’t care what nobody says.....


Bullocks. Maybe they would've beaten the Astros and taken the pennant, but you cannot know whether the Dodgers would have just smacked them down in 5 games or something.
   17. tshipman Posted: January 19, 2020 at 05:31 PM (#5917413)
Well, Altuve's about to lead the league in HBP, so he's got that going for him.
   18. Adam Starblind Posted: January 19, 2020 at 06:55 PM (#5917433)
It would be tempting to put one between Altuve’s shoulder blades.
   19. Do Not Touch Fancy Pants Socially Distanced Handle Posted: January 19, 2020 at 07:41 PM (#5917440)
“Believe me, in the end of the year, everything will be fine,” he said. “We’re going to be in the World Series again. People don’t believe it, we will. We will. We made it last year, we were one game away of winning it all.”

"And this year, we have even better ways of cheating! We have shit you wouldn't even believe. Shit nobody has even dreamed of doing before!"
   20. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 19, 2020 at 09:35 PM (#5917480)
How soon do you think they'll start spouting the "we are the protagonists overcoming adversity" narrative?
   21. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: January 20, 2020 at 12:22 AM (#5917501)
Olson and Chapman can be expected to repeat, maybe Semien and Laureano are for real but there's not another position player you'd want on your team.

The A's are bringing up a terrific defensive catcher who's projected to OPS+ about 120, so we'll see.
   22. "RMc", the superbatsman Posted: January 20, 2020 at 07:17 AM (#5917507)
January 19, 2050

HOUSTON (Newsfeed) -- Houston manager Jose Altuve said the Wendy's Astros Powered By Intel will be in the DisneyWorld Series this year, while pushing back on the idea that the team’s cheating went beyond the android-stealing detailed in MLB’s report earlier this week.

“Believe me, in the end of the year, everything will be fine,” he said. Houston has finished in fourteenth place each of the last seven years, and has not played in a DisneyWorld Series since 2019, when they lost to the then-Washington Nationals (who moved to Charlotte after the Great Cataclysm of 2039).
   23. flournoy Posted: January 20, 2020 at 09:16 AM (#5917512)
2020 is going to be a big year as far as public perception of the Astros going forward. If Altuve and Bregman and company hit well and the Astros have a good year, I think this will all blow over relatively soon. But if they struggle, then everyone will view their successes as purely a function of cheating.

Obviously there are a lot of other factors in play, but Jose Altuve's OPS from 2011-2013, before any implications of sign stealing: 92. 2014-2019: 140. He really needs to hit well this year.
   24. Adam Starblind Posted: January 20, 2020 at 10:32 AM (#5917525)
Washington Nationals (who moved to Charlotte after the Great Cataclysm of 2039)


Something worse is going to happen in Washington?
   25. Blastin Posted: January 20, 2020 at 11:06 AM (#5917543)
Re 20: it's already.started.

I hope they just decline.
   26. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: January 20, 2020 at 11:17 AM (#5917545)
Washington Nationals (who moved to Charlotte after the Great Cataclysm of 2039)


Something worse is going to happen in Washington?


2039 is the year in which the 6 times elected, 6 times impeached (Impeached terms don't count we hear) Donald Trump dies mysteriously. A civil war breaks out between co-VPs Eric and Ivanka. The Deep State makes the armed forces stand down. Ivanka's troops, inspired by their Ivanka designed Zouave uniforms, rout the forces of Eric and she declares herself President.

While the opposing forces are distracted by the fighting, George Soros is unfrozen from his cryogenic state, and organizes an army of 1.8 Billion climate change globalists. His EcoArmy is armed with pitchforks, mattocks and hand cultivators. This army, plus Greta Thunberg's bicycle cavalry, surround the forces of Ivanka and Ivanka surrenders. She is sent to a gulag in Colorado to learn organic gardening and candle making.

Victorious, Soros names Malia Obama as Premier and as her reward, Greta Thunberg as Foreign Minister. They quickly re-sign the Paris Accords, institute Medicare For All, and most chillingly, force the US to adopt the metric system.

You can't really blame the Nationals for moving.
   27. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: January 20, 2020 at 02:19 PM (#5917584)

Something worse is going to happen in Washington?


Let's just say that Charlotte is beachfront property in 2050.
   28. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: January 20, 2020 at 03:21 PM (#5917599)
Obviously there are a lot of other factors in play, but Jose Altuve's OPS from 2011-2013, before any implications of sign stealing: 92. 2014-2019: 140. He really needs to hit well this year.

Are there legit implications that they were sign-stealing in 2014? I see Ryan Buchter told Howard Stern that Fiers told him that it started in 2014 and continued into 2019, but Fiers hasn't played for Houston since 2017 so I'm not sure how he'd know that. It also doesn't seem to conform to the narrative that this was initiated or driven by Beltran and Cora, who arrived in Houston in 2017 and 2016, respectively.

So either Altuve, or someone else on the Astros in 2014 (Bregman didn't arrive until 2016), was the mastermind, or it was someone in the front office who initiated it. But somehow MLB didn't find that or chose to deliberately lie about it in their investigation, despite their desire to suspend Luhnow for a year. That also seems unlikely.
   29. flournoy Posted: January 20, 2020 at 04:16 PM (#5917621)
Logan Morrison claimed so. I don't know much about the details, or the veracity, or if it's been corroborated. But in terms of public perception, that may not matter.
   30. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 20, 2020 at 05:06 PM (#5917647)
Re 20: it's already.started.
Yeah, I suppose the use of “embattled” in the headline is indicative.

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