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Thursday, February 02, 2006

S.I. Belth: SNY won’t follow in path of Yankees-centric station

Since Kay Got Over, Meh…it’s all according to what clientele the Mets want to address.

But for all the endearing moments the Mets have enjoyed in their relatively brief history, can you imagine a “Metography” on Jerry Grote or Skip Lockwood, Marv Throneberry or Pat Zachry? The team’s history is littered with players who went on to greater success elsewhere—Nolan Ryan, Amos Otis, Ken Singleton and Jeff Kent, to name a few. Heck, even their golden child, Doc Gooden, went on to pitch a no-hitter for the crosstown rivals, winning two championships in the Bronx (along with Darryl Strawberry) to boot. After Tom Seaver, Ed Kranepool and a handful of others, there isn’t much to lionize over the course of a full hour. What are they going to feature? The Art Shamsky Report, Late Night with Ron Swoboda, Fly Fishing with Kevin McReynolds, and Hot Dog Highlights starring Willie Montanez and Lenny Dykstra?

Repoz Posted: February 02, 2006 at 11:35 PM | 64 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. The Keith Law Blog Blah Blah (battlekow) Posted: February 03, 2006 at 12:26 AM (#1848341)
Repoz likes the Clientele? No way.
   2. Law Boy Posted: February 03, 2006 at 12:42 AM (#1848360)
As a Yankee fan, I think the programming on the YES Network is ofen tedious when games aren't on.

IMO, the Mets are making a smart decision.
   3. Old Matt Posted: February 03, 2006 at 12:57 AM (#1848380)
One day I will be a media expert like Matt Cerrone.
   4. Sam M. Posted: February 03, 2006 at 01:01 AM (#1848383)
I think they need to hire Sam M for objective analysis of David Wright.

Indeed. I think I'd start my first report with a stand-up from Cooperstown, "live" from the 2031 HOF induction ceremony for Wright, the first unanimous selection in the history of the Hall. He would have his life partner, a certain emeritus law professor, presenting him.

Thereafter, I'd present each report of his feats of derring-do as if it is a highlight from the video they showed at that ceremony. You know, like if it was a highlight from a game where he hit two home runs that night, I wouldn't present it as:

David Wright hit two home runs tonight to lead the Mets to a 7-3 triumph over the Boston Red Sox in interleague play . . . .

Instead, it would be:

We all recall that magical night back in 2006 when Wright cemented his case for NL MVP by . . . .

The whole angle would be very Steve Sabol.
   5. schuey Posted: February 03, 2006 at 01:05 AM (#1848392)
SNY will be the ESPN of New York Sports? Is that bad or worse? Is Keith Hernandez the new John Kruk and Ron Darling the new Jeff Brantley or is it the other way around? Will Anna Benson get her own "Poke Her" show? Will the Dolans drop their useless Metro channel to add SNY and raise my cable bill 5% or 10% (or give me a refund for no NHL last year?).
   6. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: February 03, 2006 at 01:45 AM (#1848432)
He would have his life partner, a certain emeritus law professor, presenting him.

And everybody watching will think how nice it is that he got his father to present.
   7. Rob Base Posted: February 03, 2006 at 01:46 AM (#1848433)
It's true. OH GOD IT'S TRUE!
   8. Sam M. Posted: February 03, 2006 at 02:02 AM (#1848440)
And everybody watching will think how nice it is that he got his father to present.

Funny guy. I'll have you know that I am a very young-looking 44, and I fully anticipate being an equally young-looking 68.

And anyway, by then we will be used to the snickering and the snide "Daddy" remarks. Our love will remain true amidst all the sniping.
   9. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: February 03, 2006 at 02:04 AM (#1848442)
Funny guy. I'll have you know that I am a very young-looking 44, and I fully anticipate being an equally young-looking 68.

My first instinct was to say "grandfather."

And anyway, by then we will be used to the snickering and the snide "Daddy" remarks. Our love will remain true amidst all the sniping.

Delusions are awesome, aren't they, Sammy?
   10. Sam M. Posted: February 03, 2006 at 02:23 AM (#1848457)
Delusions are awesome, aren't they, Sammy?

One man's delusion is another man's pleasant fantasy. Rather than focus on the fact that I was in college when David Wright was born, I prefer to emphasize the fact that I will never again be twice as old as he is.

It's all in how you look at it.
   11. Rob Base Posted: February 03, 2006 at 02:28 AM (#1848460)
Sam, Katie Couric and I look forward to the occasion.
   12. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: February 03, 2006 at 02:30 AM (#1848462)
Rather than focus on the fact that I was in college when David Wright was born, I prefer to emphasize the fact that I will never again be twice as old as he is.

Per the 1/2 + 7 rule, you will not be authorized to canoodle with Mr. Wright until you are 54. So you have ten years to plot your assault.
   13. Sam M. Posted: February 03, 2006 at 02:35 AM (#1848466)
I have to think it is not all coincidence that this song is currently playing on my iPod . . . . It seems fitting somehow.
   14. TVerik - Dr. Velocity Posted: February 03, 2006 at 03:14 AM (#1848489)
Seriously, though, if MESS tries the hard-hitting sports news thing and second-guess the manager, you think Willie's gonna take that?

And I think Yankee Classics are cool. But that's about it for YES.
   15. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: February 03, 2006 at 03:19 AM (#1848493)
YES is good for three things and three things only: live Yankees game, recorded Yankees games, and the commercials for some liquor store on Webster Avenue which have the lowest production values of anything on commercial television.
   16. Sean McNally Posted: February 03, 2006 at 03:27 AM (#1848501)
Not having YES here in DC, the few times I've watched it the non-game programming seems lame.

However, it seems they are playing the Carribbean series the next couple of days, which could be cool if you have access to the channel.
   17. Sam M. Posted: February 03, 2006 at 03:28 AM (#1848503)
second-guess the manager, you think Willie's gonna take that?

My impression of Hernandez is that he's much more about questioning the players than the hitters -- why did the pitcher throw that pitch, why didn't the runner take the extra base on that noodle-armed outfielder, stuff like that. So I think the bigger question might be (at least if that is what ends up predominating) whether the players are gonna take that.
   18. PJ Martinez Posted: February 03, 2006 at 03:45 AM (#1848526)
"As a Yankee fan, I think the programming on the YES Network is ofen tedious when games aren't on."

As a Red Sox fan, I think the programming on the YES Network often smacks of weird state-run propaganda for the Yankee Democratic Republic when the games aren't on.
   19. billyshears Posted: February 03, 2006 at 04:02 AM (#1848539)
Sam, Katie Couric and I look forward to the occasion.

As do the Olsen Twins and I. Count the three of us in.
   20. Sam M. Posted: February 03, 2006 at 04:15 AM (#1848559)
You know what's cool (in a weird sort of way)? By bringing up this fantasy May/December romance angle, I totally deflected any ridicule from my almost-as-preposterous assertion that a guy with one full year in the majors will be a unanimous HOF selection 25 years from now. Just slipped that in there, without a word of dissent. ;-)
   21. billyshears Posted: February 03, 2006 at 04:22 AM (#1848570)
You know what's cool (in a weird sort of way)? By bringing up this fantasy May/December romance angle, I totally deflected any ridicule from my almost-as-preposterous assertion that a guy with one full year in the majors will be a unanimous HOF selection 25 years from now. Just slipped that in there, without a word of dissent.

Yeah, but what possible reason could anyone have to dissent? It seems unassailable to me.
   22. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: February 03, 2006 at 04:58 AM (#1848587)
Sam, didn't you hear? Homosexuals are bad, mmmkay.

Kyle_Smith_aka homophobe Posted: January 30, 2006 at 10:51 AM (#1843760)
i would be happy to talk about why homosexuality is unnatural, unhealthy, disgusting and a destruction to society anytime you want. But, i sincerely doubt you care to do that. This isnt about taking the heat. I will dish it out all day long, but i think it would be better for everyone if we just move on.


You need to stop your evil ways. ;) Oh, and will you be speaking at Cano's, Wang's, Hughes', and Duncan's ceremonies, too?
   23. DCA Posted: February 03, 2006 at 05:10 AM (#1848592)
unanimous

That makes sense. HOF president Tim Robbins stripped a dozen writers of their voting rights three years back, when they failed to vote for Barry Bonds in 2020, after he retired on his 50th birthday having hit 908 HR and tied the single-season save record after learning to throw a knuckleball and telepathic evidence indicated that he had never knowingly used steroids.

Since then, clearly qualified candidates have never been lacking for first ballot induction. LA Times columnist Paul LoDuca got off with a warning for being the only writer not to vote for Miguel Cabrera in 2026.
   24. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: February 03, 2006 at 05:41 AM (#1848609)
i would be happy to talk about why homosexuality is unnatural, unhealthy, disgusting and a destruction to society anytime you want.

Romans 1:26-27(or 26-32); 1 Corinthians 6:9; also Leviticus 18:22
   25. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: February 03, 2006 at 05:43 AM (#1848610)
That said, I can't judge you for it. Matthew 7:1-5
   26. Flynn Posted: February 03, 2006 at 05:55 AM (#1848619)
i would be happy to talk about why <strike>homosexuality</strike> prosleytizing Christians are unnatural, unhealthy, disgusting and a destruction to society anytime you want.

FIXED...
   27. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: February 03, 2006 at 06:02 AM (#1848627)
(looks up prosletizing at dictionary.com)

Prosleytizing is my duty. Matthew 28: 18-20
   28. PJ Martinez Posted: February 03, 2006 at 06:31 AM (#1848665)
"a destruction to society"

yeah, we straight people are doing such a great job running the place.

good night, all.
   29. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: February 03, 2006 at 06:35 AM (#1848669)
And anyway, by then we will be used to the snickering and the snide "Daddy" remarks. Our love will remain true amidst all the sniping.
Brokeback, back, back Mountain?
   30. Jorge Luis Bourjos (Walewander) Posted: February 03, 2006 at 06:49 AM (#1848680)
The only thing stranger than what Mets fans hijack is what hijacks a Mets thread. G_55, quit being ignorant.
   31. vortex of dissipation Posted: February 03, 2006 at 07:10 AM (#1848700)
He would have his life partner, a certain emeritus law professor, presenting him.

Jennifer Connelly and I would be glad to have you both over for dinner after the HOF induction ceremony.
   32. Rob Base Posted: February 03, 2006 at 01:28 PM (#1848759)
(looks up prosletizing at dictionary.com)

Prosleytizing is my duty. Matthew 28: 18-20


Me do whatever book say.
   33. Rob Base Posted: February 03, 2006 at 01:30 PM (#1848760)
Sam, Katie Couric and I look forward to the occasion.

As do the Olsen Twins and I. Count the three of us in.


And Katie, at 74, is still oddly cute.
   34. Sam M. Posted: February 03, 2006 at 01:34 PM (#1848762)
Jennifer Connelly and I would be glad to have you both over for dinner after the HOF induction ceremony.

We'd love to, but President Gyllenhaal and First Partner Ledger have invited us to the White House for dinner and to stay the evening in the Lincoln Bedroom.
   35. The Bones McCoy of THT Posted: February 03, 2006 at 02:00 PM (#1848773)
Personally I find Sam's lifestyle abhorrent, sick, immoral and repugnant.

What else can you possibly say about a man whose vocation involves producing future generations of lawyers? (shudder)

Being a Mets fan I can almost overlook, but that? Ugh.

;-)

Best Regards

John
   36. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: February 03, 2006 at 02:16 PM (#1848779)
Well, that's the best line of the thread, well plaed, John. As fot the Ceremony, it sounds like you'll have plenty of guests already Sam, so Keira Knightley and I will just send along some flowers and a nice bottle of champagne
   37. Sam M. Posted: February 03, 2006 at 02:43 PM (#1848809)
Personally I find Sam's lifestyle abhorrent, sick, immoral and repugnant.

What else can you possibly say about a man whose vocation involves producing future generations of lawyers? (shudder)


You could say, "It could be worse. He could be teaching at an extremist madrassah."

That would be worse, wouldn't it? Wouldn't it?
   38. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: February 03, 2006 at 02:51 PM (#1848823)
As for me, I hear Jennifer Coolidge is available......
   39. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: February 03, 2006 at 03:26 PM (#1848872)
I'm sure Jennifer Anniston, Eva Langoria and I could take a break from the hottub to join the gala...
   40. DCW3 Posted: February 03, 2006 at 08:12 PM (#1849301)
People, please. All this fantasy ignores the fact that Kate Hudson is reading something I wrote, perhaps at this very minute. If I were her, I would be so impressed with my brilliant use of the subjunctive that I would leave my greasy husband and marry me. (That last "me" refers to me*, not Kate Hudson. But the "my" before that refers to Kate Hudson's greasy husband, not mine. I have no husband, greasy or otherwise. I assume my writing skills are evident even in this forum.)

(*As does this one.)
   41. AJMcCringleberry Posted: February 03, 2006 at 10:56 PM (#1849582)
All this fantasy ignores the fact that Kate Hudson is reading something I wrote

Did you ever figure out how to say that nudity is must w/o sounding like a perv?
   42. DCW3 Posted: February 04, 2006 at 07:20 AM (#1849996)
Did you ever figure out how to say that nudity is must w/o sounding like a perv?

No. I figured, sign her on for the movie first, then worry about the details.
   43. vortex of dissipation Posted: February 04, 2006 at 08:21 AM (#1850013)
Of course, the real question is whether David Wright will wear a Mets or Orioles cap on his plaque..
   44. The Bones McCoy of THT Posted: February 04, 2006 at 01:05 PM (#1850088)
"It could be worse. He could be teaching at an extremist madrassah."


Isn't that what law school teaches? Put a hot coffee between your legs while driving and when you burn yourself so you sue for negligence?

If that ain't a fundamentalist extreme.... ;-)

Best Regards

John
   45. Rob Base Posted: February 04, 2006 at 02:04 PM (#1850106)
In 1992 Stella Liebeck, a 79-year old retired sales clerk, bought a 49-cent cup of coffee from a drive-through McDonald’s in Albuquerque, New Mexico. She was in the passenger seat of a car driven by her grandson. Ms. Liebeck placed the cup between her legs and removed the lid to add cream and sugar when the hot coffee spilled out on her lap causing third-degree burns on her groin, inner thighs and buttocks.

This infamous case[1]has become a leading rallying point for those advocating restrictions on the ability of consumers to use the U.S. civil justice system to hold corporations accountable for the injuries they cause. A New Mexico jury awarded Ms. Liebeck $160,000 in compensatory damages and $2.7 million in punitive damages and, in an instant, the media and legal communities were up in arms. Newspaper headlines such as “Hot cup of coffee costs $2.9 million,”[2]or “Coffee Spill Burns Woman; Jury Awards $2.9 Million”[3]painted the picture of a “runaway jury,” an unreasonable award and a perverted system of justice. However, both the media and those who want to take away consumers’ legal rights conveniently overlooked the facts of the case, creating a “legal myth,” a poster-case for corporate entities with a vested interest in limiting the legal rights of consumers.

The Facts

A detailed look at the facts of this case reveal that in light of McDonalds’ actions, the awards were justified:

*
By its own corporate standards, McDonald’s sells coffee at 180 to 190 degrees Fahrenheit. A scientist testifying for McDonald’s argued that any coffee hotter than 130 degrees could produdays in a hospital. In that time she underwent expensive treatments for third-degree burns including debridement (removal of dead tissue) and skin grafting. The burns left her scarred and disabled for more than two years.[8]Before a suit was ever filed, Liebeck informed McDonald’s about her injuries and asked for compensation for her medical bills, which totaled almost $11,000.[9]McDonald’s countered with a ludicrously low $800 offer.

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McDonald’s had several other chances to settle the case before trial: At one point, Liebeck’s attorney offered to settle for $300,000.[10] In addition, days before the trial, the judge ordered both sides into a mediated settlement conference where the mediator, a retired judge, recommended that McDonald’s settle for $225,000.[11] McDonald’s refused all attempts to settle the case.



The Findings

The jury found that Ms. Liebeck suffered $200,000 in compensatory damages for her medical costs and disability. The award was reduced to $160,000 since the jury determined that 20 percent of the fault for the injury belonged with Ms. Liebeck for spilling the coffee.[12]

Based on its finding that McDonald’s had engaged in willful, reckless, malicious or wanton conduct, the jury then awarded $2.7 million in punitive damages; essential to the size of the award was the fact that at the time McDonald’s made $1.35 million in coffee sales daily.[13]

Since the purposes of awarding punitive damages are to punish the person or company doing the wrongful act and to discourage him and others from similar conduct in the future, the degree of punishment or deterrence resulting from a judgment is in proportion to the wealth of the guilty person.[14]Punitive damages are supposed to be large enough to send a message to the wrongdoer
   46. The Bones McCoy of THT Posted: February 04, 2006 at 02:10 PM (#1850107)
See? You can't even be a smartass on a website without a lawyer getting on your case about it!! ;-)

Best Regards

John
   47. Benji Posted: February 04, 2006 at 02:12 PM (#1850108)
Estella Warren and I will be unable to attend, Sam, but we will send a gift. And when Jose Reyes joins Wright in the HOF, we will be happy to show you the beautiful Mohawk Valley.
   48. Randy Jones Posted: February 04, 2006 at 03:17 PM (#1850125)
And when Jose Reyes joins Wright in the HOF

Of all the wild fantasies in this thread, this is the most outlandish and least likely to occur...
   49. Rob Base Posted: February 04, 2006 at 03:36 PM (#1850136)
And when Jose Reyes joins Wright in the HOF

Of all the wild fantasies in this thread, this is the most outlandish and least likely to occur...
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3000 hits and 6-8 gold gloves should do the trick.
   50. Sam M. Posted: February 04, 2006 at 03:46 PM (#1850142)
3000 hits and 6-8 gold gloves should do the trick.

I hate to say this, but I suspect 6-8 hits and 3,000 Gold Gloves is more likely.
   51. Rob Base Posted: February 04, 2006 at 03:47 PM (#1850143)
Don't be hatin on Jose!
   52. Rob Base Posted: February 04, 2006 at 04:29 PM (#1850163)
Man, working on Saturday sucks. Can we get a better Mets thread?
   53. rr Posted: February 04, 2006 at 05:44 PM (#1850204)
think I'd start my first report with a stand-up from Cooperstown, "live" from the 2031 HOF induction ceremony


From Wright's induction speech: "It was always so hard after about '17 to go back to spring training because the separations were so tough. But my life partner always told me to go back to go back to go after that eighth ring. Finally in '22 I put my foot down and told him I wouldn't play unless he came on road trips with the team."

BTW Sam, what did you think of Brokeback Mountain? I notice you made ajoke about it in earlier post.
   54. rr Posted: February 04, 2006 at 05:45 PM (#1850206)
a joke

an earlier post
   55. Flynn Posted: February 04, 2006 at 05:51 PM (#1850212)
Of all the wild fantasies in this thread, this is the most outlandish and least likely to occur...

Yeah, Ozzie Smith's offensive start was so good Reyes could never match that.
   56. TVerik - Dr. Velocity Posted: February 04, 2006 at 06:03 PM (#1850217)
Let's be a bit more serious for a moment.

Each year, some players get far enough along in their big-league career to make an eventual HoF induction exceedingly unlikely, barring some miraculous late-career turnaround.

Wright, for example, has yet to have a bad stretch that would effectively keep him out of Cooperstown. However, I think it's safe to say that whatever happens, Miguel Cairo can never make the Hall because of his accomplishments already and his age (this has to be within reason - if Cairo hits 50 homers a year from now on and plays until he's 50, he should probably make it).

That's a long way of asking - is it too late for Reyes to have a HoF career at this point, if he starts playing at a HoF level right now?
   57. TVerik - Dr. Velocity Posted: February 04, 2006 at 06:09 PM (#1850221)
Next year he'll be 23. He has, through parts of three seasons, a .303 OBP and 330 hits.

I don't see anything in the numbers that would necessarily keep him out of the Hall. Maybe at the 2000 AB level.
   58. TVerik - Dr. Velocity Posted: February 04, 2006 at 06:11 PM (#1850222)
Great players get about 10,000 ABs for their career. Certain ones play for an absurdly long time and rack up 12,000.

So is it safe to say that at a certain AB plateau, your old numbers will drag any new numbers down below HoF standard?
   59. rr Posted: February 04, 2006 at 06:19 PM (#1850228)
That's a long way of asking - is it too late for Reyes to have a HoF career at this point, if he starts playing at a HoF level right now?

Well, given Reyes' superb speed, live bat and his ability to play the middle infield, he could certainly wind up having a long, long career.

OTOH, guys with major OBP issues often have trouble lasting once they slow down a step. I am old enough to remmeber when Juan Samuel came up; he was seen in some quarters as having HoF talent when he was 23.

Also, OBP is under much more scrutiny than it used to be. I think that trend will continue and the BBWAA will go along as time passes.
   60. Sam M. Posted: February 04, 2006 at 07:09 PM (#1850272)
is it too late for Reyes to have a HoF career at this point, if he starts playing at a HoF level right now?

Not even close. No player, ever, has foreclosed his HOF chance after (a) only one full major league season, and (b) when that season occurred at the age of 22.

Now, add in the fact that he actually compiled some HOF markers in that one season (led the league in triples and in steals; fifth in hits), and there is no way at all it's too late. His steals, in fact, rank among the top 10 seasons ever for a 22-year old -- a list that also includes the likes of Raines, Cobb, and Collins.

Given Reyes's skill set, I would say that if he hasn't started to play at a genuine HOF level by the time he's 26 or so, he never will. He will begin to slow down a bit, which will detract from the good things he does even now. So by then, he's got to have things that actually do more than pile up nice throw-away stats in the columns written by his HOF supporters. Gold Glove defense, getting on base a lot so he can be recognized as one of the elite lead-off hitters.

What works to his benefit, of course, is that he's started so young. With 330 career hits at the age of 22, he is (for instance) ahead of even a guy like Molitor, who got a great early start, too, and he's ahead of where Boggs was after Boggs's age 25 season. If Reyes averages 175 hits a year for the next three years, he'll be ahead of Boggs, 855-328 at the same age.

BTW Sam, what did you think of Brokeback Mountain? I notice you made ajoke about it in earlier post.

I've liked it more each time I've seen it. In some ways, it's such a traditional Hollywood story: couple that seeks to partake of some forbidden love must suffer unhappiness -- the formula's been applied to adulterous couples for decades, not it's being applied to a gay couple. No gay exceptionalism here. But in others (obviously), it's massively untraditional story. What I loved most about it, probably, was that it didn't try to portray Jack and Ennis as perfect human beings, as somehow ONLY being victims of the cruel world. They did bad things (each marrying and then being really awful to their wives, especially Ennis), and we saw the consequences of those actions in the hurt they caused to others. At the same time, we saw why they made the mistakes they made (in part because of the world's unwillingness to allow gay couples to find and make a safe space for themselves), why Ennis couldn't live the life Jack wanted him to, and so we felt enormous sympathy for them, too. It was a painful experience to watch -- so much loneliness and self-deprivation -- but a genuinely complex and moving story, too. Heath Ledger's performance was amazing. He captured Ennis's utter inability to find happiness in any direction in his life, including his work, his relationship with Jack, and his relationship with Alma. His scenes in the closet in Jack's room (towards the end), and in his trailer (at the very end) were devastating.

I'm sure I connect with the experiences depicted more than most people, but I still hope that non-gay audiences will be able to get past the gender of the couple and understand the universality of their story. And I think a lot are -- notwithstanding the idiotic Mickey Kaus's of the world.
   61. Rob Base Posted: February 04, 2006 at 09:41 PM (#1850335)
   62. E., Hinske Posted: February 05, 2006 at 01:39 AM (#1850498)
Isn't that what law school teaches? Put a hot coffee between your legs while driving and when you burn yourself so you sue for negligence?

As soon as I read this line, I was about to post about this case. Then I read what Rob posted, which is exactly what I was going to post. Apparently, regardless of whether you attend law school in Canada or the US, for the litigiously minded law student, this 10 minutes from first year law where your torts prof offers you the "that verdict actually WASN'T nuts" argument really stands out.

Hopefully the bar exam is heavily focused on this point.
   63. MM1f Posted: February 05, 2006 at 01:56 AM (#1850526)
I do hate near boiling coffee. I dont want have to wait 10 min before i can START to drink it, esp if im in a hurry

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