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Baseball Primer Newsblog — The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand Sunday, November 13, 2011Slate: Michael Lewis and Billy Beane talk MoneyballDon’t have time to thumb through all of it (flood of Waylon Thornton and the Heavy Hands EP’s take precedent!), but this…
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Posted: November 13, 2011 at 02:34 PM | 14 comment(s)
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1. The_Ex Posted: November 13, 2011 at 06:29 PM (#3992564)However, the people who make this objection don’t seem to grasp the basic principles of imitation and catch-up. Once all teams are playing Moneyball, then playing Moneyball no longer gives you an edge. Indeed, the richer clubs have the means to play it smarter. The New York Yankees recently hired 21 statisticians, Beane marvels.
If the Yankees recently hired 21 stats guys what are they going from and to. Is it from 3 to 24, indicating a big push in that area. Or is it from 21 to 42?
Who leads the Yankees stats efforts anyway?
So that's where the all those Bleacher Report writers went after King kanned them!
Yes, but to economize, they will feature the boobs from 10 women.
I'm pretty sure the author meant major-league baseball (several GMs played in the minors), but I thought this was an interesting fact. It really has been a "revenge of the nerds," in a manner of speaking, especially when you consider that two of those three GMs who did play in the majors -- Ruben Amaro Jr. and Kenny Williams -- also went to Stanford, and the third is Billy Beane himself.
That's not exactly chump change, but it's less than half of what the A's paid Hideki Matsui for replacement level performance in 2011. I'm also skeptical that any team needs that many statisticians. I think the key is having a few innovative people who understand both the numbers and the game of baseball overseeing the operation--people who have interesting ideas to study and who also know the game well enough to understand the limitations of the available data and other issues along those lines. Those guys might be expensive, but not compared to even mediocre MLB players.
In 2000, three years before Moneyball's publication, the number of former major leaguers occupying the big chair in major league front offices was a whopping four - Beane, Bill Stoneman, Ron Schueler and Jim Beattie. The movement away from former ballplayers as GMs predated Moneyball, Theoball and the like.
I figure a baseball team can and do hire the bulk of them very cheaply, because everybody wants to get a foot in in baseball, I'd say 40K a piece.
I'm also skeptical that any team needs that many statisticians. I think the key is having a few innovative people who understand both the numbers and the game of baseball overseeing the operation--people who have interesting ideas to study and who also know the game well enough to understand the limitations of the available data and other issues along those lines.
There are grunt work to do, if you are set on creating a proprietary system for this or that, the programming will consume headcount. Or maybe they are taking very raw data and trying to make something of it.
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I'd like to see if that s#*t works in the playoffs.
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