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Source: Indians send Zach Plesac home for leaving hotel to go out in Chicago

The Cleveland Indians sent home starter Zach Plesac after he violated team rules by leaving the hotel to go out in Chicago Saturday night, a source confirmed to ESPN.

The Athletic first reported the news on Plesac, who now will be quarantined for 72 hours back in Cleveland.

Plesac drove back to Cleveland in a rental car, a source told ESPN’s Jeff Passan.

 

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 09, 2020 at 06:55 PM | 31 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. JRVJ Posted: August 09, 2020 at 07:16 PM (#5968672)
With the proviso that there may be more to the story, suspending a player that violated team rules is the correct thing to do, PERIOD.

   2. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 09, 2020 at 07:48 PM (#5968679)
Just guessing, but I suspect Plesac did a bit more than go down the block for a cup of coffee to go. He pitched well that day, and may have been in a celebratory mood, but should have known better.
   3. Jeff Francoeur's OPS Posted: August 09, 2020 at 08:00 PM (#5968682)
Glad to see teams taking a hard line on these things. There's no margin for error for the next 10 weeks.
   4. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 09, 2020 at 08:26 PM (#5968685)
Plesac drove back to Cleveland in a rental car, a source told ESPN’s Jeff Passan.
With the presumable hangover, that might be a more effective punishment than the suspension.
   5. SoSH U at work Posted: August 09, 2020 at 08:59 PM (#5968693)

Just guessing, but I suspect Plesac did a bit more than go down the block for a cup of coffee to go. He pitched well that day, and may have been in a celebratory mood, but should have known better.


He's from the Chicago area, so he may have been celebrating with friends.
   6. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: August 09, 2020 at 09:03 PM (#5968694)
I understand a suspension, but making him go to Cleveland? Man, that's cold.
   7. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 10, 2020 at 10:21 AM (#5968755)
I understand a suspension, but making him go to Cleveland? Man, that's cold.
Via Toledo, no less.
   8. SoSH U at work Posted: August 10, 2020 at 10:24 AM (#5968759)

I understand a suspension, but making him go to Cleveland? Man, that's cold.


I'll be making the Plesac (almost all of it anyway) on Friday. He's got no sympathy from me.
   9. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 10, 2020 at 10:54 AM (#5968767)
I'll be making the Plesac (almost all of it anyway) on Friday. He's got no sympathy from me.
I once did Chicago to Bowling Green, Ohio (~20 miles south of Toledo) in the back of a stationwagon, as an adult. It wasn't great.
   10. Nasty Nate Posted: August 10, 2020 at 11:02 AM (#5968770)
I ain't never been to Ohio.

But I heard Neil Young sing it two years ago.
   11. winnipegwhip Posted: August 10, 2020 at 11:54 AM (#5968782)
In 1999 my brother and I did a road trip. In the middle of it included...Tuesday Marlins at Cubs night game....over to Murphy's Bleachers after the game. When the doors opened at the Football Hall of Fame in Canton the next morning we were there. Rock N Roll Hall of Fame in the afternoon the Chisox vs Tribe that night.
   12. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 10, 2020 at 08:10 PM (#5968927)
Plesac wasn’t alone - Mike Clevinger Violated Coronavirus Protocols:
Indians right-hander Mike Clevinger has violated their coronavirus protocols, the team announced (via Ryan Lewis of Ohio.com). Clevinger was scheduled to start for the Indians against the Cubs on Tuesday, but they’ll go with fellow righty Adam Plutko instead. Clevinger’s violations came on the road against the White Sox over the weekend, as did fellow starter Zach Plesac’s. It turns out that the two were out on the town in Chicago together, Jeff Passan of ESPN tweets.
   13. Howie Menckel Posted: August 10, 2020 at 08:15 PM (#5968928)
In the middle of it included...Tuesday Marlins at Cubs night game

my posse and I started making pilrimages before Wrigley even had lights!

and we made a pact that all of us will die before ever attending a night game there.....
   14. winnipegwhip Posted: August 11, 2020 at 09:27 AM (#5969004)
my posse and I started making pilrimages before Wrigley even had lights!

and we made a pact that all of us will die before ever attending a night game there.....


My friends and I went to Wrigley in the spring of 1988 just for that reason...to see a game before the lights went up. Finished my last exam at noon and drove all night to be in Chicago the next morning. (Also did that for the last weekend at Comiskey in 1990.)
   15. Howie Menckel Posted: August 11, 2020 at 09:48 AM (#5969011)
I closed out Giants Stadium - which ironically ended with a Jets game.

frigid early January weather, but my pal and I got seats in the end zone, last row, which kept us somewhat protected against the weather.

I also attended the last Nets game in New Jersey and the first Mets game at CitiField, among other milestones.
   16. Rally Posted: August 11, 2020 at 12:06 PM (#5969038)
In the middle of it included...Tuesday Marlins at Cubs night game


Reminds me of the 2015 world series. Brings back good memories, I took my flying Camry up there for game 4, just in time to watch the Cubs sweep.

Wait a minute, who went back in time and messed up the future again? I thought we couldn't do worse than having President Tannen. Can we just stop this now? Take all the remaining DeLoreans to the junkyard.
   17. Itchy Row Posted: August 11, 2020 at 12:15 PM (#5969039)
I was at the last game they allowed fans to attend at Dodger Stadium. For the foreseeable future, at least.
   18. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 13, 2020 at 05:31 PM (#5969473)
Indians' Zach Plesac says he and Mike Clevinger unfairly cast as 'bad people' after COVID violation

While he didn't deny breaking the team's code of conduct implemented to keep players safe, Plesac said reports about him and Clevinger have not been fair.

"The media is terrible, man," Plesac said in the video. "They do some evil things to create stories and make things sound better and make things sound worse."

Plesac said he and Clevinger were within CDC guidelines when they left the team hotel and were never with "more than eight people the entire night."

He feels he and Clevinger are being cast as "bad teammates, bad people and dragged across the mud."

Plesac said he understands the risks with COVID-19 and that his brother has Type 1 Diabetes and his mother is a nurse.

"It breaks my heart for people to think I'm a bad teammate or a bad person. But I wanted to share with you guys that moving forward, there's a selflessness lesson taught here and at the end of the day, I want everybody to be healthy. I want to be a good teammate. I want to win baseball games, man. That's all I want to do."
   19. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 13, 2020 at 05:40 PM (#5969476)
"It breaks my heart for people to think I'm a bad teammate or a bad person. But I wanted to share with you guys that moving forward, there's a selflessness lesson taught here and at the end of the day, I want everybody to be healthy. I want to be a good teammate. I want to win baseball games, man. That's all I want to do."


"To win baseball games, and to party with eight or fewer people. But that's all, man."
   20. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: August 13, 2020 at 09:45 PM (#5969544)
He deserves criticism for his action but I have no issue with his comments today. He took responsibility, apologized and pledged to do better. The “dragged across the mud” comment is a bit woe is me but I can ignore that.
   21. SoSH U at work Posted: August 13, 2020 at 09:49 PM (#5969545)
He deserves criticism for his action but I have no issue with his comments today. He took responsibility, apologized and pledged to do better.


If he deserves criticism, then why do you have no issue with his comments? He's ######## about getting criticized.
   22. Tin Angel Posted: August 13, 2020 at 10:14 PM (#5969548)
He's ######## about getting criticized.


"Commenters on baseball sites are awful too, man."
   23. Moses Taylor, glorified meat shield Posted: August 13, 2020 at 10:35 PM (#5969551)
He deserves criticism for his action but I have no issue with his comments today. He took responsibility, apologized and pledged to do better. The “dragged across the mud” comment is a bit woe is me but I can ignore that.

No, he didn't take responsibility. He made excuses, and criticized the media. You can't say "I'm sorry, but here's why it's not my fault" in the same breath. The latter part completely invalidates the former.

Not to mention Clevinger should be dragged thru the mud even harder.

What about his teammates comments? Media's fault too?
   24. Greg Pope Posted: August 14, 2020 at 10:21 AM (#5969586)
No, he didn't take responsibility. He made excuses, and criticized the media. You can't say "I'm sorry, but here's why it's not my fault" in the same breath. The latter part completely invalidates the former.

He seems to be saying: "Look, it's not as bad as it was made out to be. However, it was still wrong and it's something I've learned from."

I have no problem with that.
   25. The Gary DiSarcina Fan Club (JAHV) Posted: August 14, 2020 at 12:46 PM (#5969606)
He seems to be saying: "Look, it's not as bad as it was made out to be. However, it was still wrong and it's something I've learned from."

I have no problem with that.


I'm getting more of an "unfairly maligned" vibe than a "taking responsibility" vibe from his comments. The team rules are there for a reason - to keep him and his teammates safe. From his actions and comments, this looks a lot like, "Yeah, I broke the rules, but what do you expect me to do? I had just won a game and my friends were in town, so I wanted to go out with them. We were kinda safe."

I haven't followed the story closely, so I don't know all of what the media is saying about him. Knowing the media, I'm sure there are some over-reactions out there. Personally, I don't think he's worse than Hitler, and he probably should only have a fraction of his children taken away, but he still broke team rules. Whining about media coverage of his boneheadedness doesn't come across well.
   26. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: August 14, 2020 at 12:59 PM (#5969609)
CDC guidelines are pretty irrelevant here. If your job means that you’re routinely going to be in close quarters with 30+ other people, then you probably should hold yourself to a higher bar than the normal CDC guidelines when you’re not at work (especially if your job requires you to, as Plesac’s does). I don’t think Plesac is evil or anything, but he was irresponsible and hopefully has learned his lesson.
   27. Greg Pope Posted: August 14, 2020 at 01:14 PM (#5969613)
From his actions and comments, this looks a lot like, "Yeah, I broke the rules, but what do you expect me to do? I had just won a game and my friends were in town, so I wanted to go out with them. We were kinda safe."

Right, and I agree with that. But then he says:

But I wanted to share with you guys that moving forward, there's a selflessness lesson taught here


Other than his use of the passive voice, this is taking responsibility. He's saying that he will change.
   28. The Gary DiSarcina Fan Club (JAHV) Posted: August 14, 2020 at 01:53 PM (#5969623)
Right, and I agree with that. But then he says:

But I wanted to share with you guys that moving forward, there's a selflessness lesson taught here


Other than his use of the passive voice, this is taking responsibility. He's saying that he will change.


Fair enough, and if I take him at his word there, then yes, he's taking some responsibility. The passive voice is especially weak there. He's not even saying that HE learned a lesson. But okay, he's gritting his teeth and admitting he could have been more selfless.

On the other hand, his words (at least the quoted ones - I didn't watch the video) prior to that statement don't convey the same message. It's kind of like saying "with all due respect" and then following that with a bunch of invective about the person. The opposite construction in Plesac's statement makes it a little more likely he's being sincere. But the whole "apology" or "confession" or whatever you want to call it comes across as something he has to do to appease the cruel masses rather than something he feels is justified.
   29. Greg Pope Posted: August 14, 2020 at 02:44 PM (#5969637)
But the whole "apology" or "confession" or whatever you want to call it comes across as something he has to do to appease the cruel masses rather than something he feels is justified.

Yeah, that's probably true. I give him a little credit for saying it, though.
   30. TJ Posted: August 14, 2020 at 04:25 PM (#5969657)
He feels he and Clevinger are being cast as "bad teammates, bad people and dragged across the mud."


Bad teammates- Yes. You endangered your teammates and hurt your team's chances to win games by going out with your buddies and getting your dumb asses sat down for a while.

Bad people- Don't know either of them, so I would not call them bad people. Their actions make me comfortable calling them stupid people.

Dragged across the mud- You two decided to risk walking up to the mud, so don't ##### that you're now being dragged through it. Based on comments I've read from some teammates and Indians fans, it's not just the media doing the dragging.
   31. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 14, 2020 at 04:56 PM (#5969663)
Indians not messing around - Clevinger & Plesac Optioned To Alternate Training Site:
The Indians have reinstated starters Mike Clevinger and Zach Plesac from the restricted list. In a surprising twist, both rotation members have been optioned to the alternate training site.

This news comes in the aftermath of a forehead-smacking decision by this talented pair of right-handed hurlers. They each violated collectively bargained MLB coronavirus protocols and then — as rotation mate Adam Plutko explained — lied to the team about their poor decisions.

The decision to option both pitchers came on the heels of a team meeting involving them both, as Ryan Lewis of the Akron Beacon Journal covers (Twitter links). It’s clear the organization decided it had to send a message.
Must have been an interesting team meeting.

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