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Sunday, November 21, 2021

Source: Pirates to sign pitcher Jose Quintana for $2 million, pending physical

With an obvious and immediate need to repair their starting rotation, the Pirates on Sunday acquired a pitcher they hope will help in Jose Quintana, signing the left-hander for around $2 million, a source confirmed to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

The team has not announced the deal, which is a major league contract and pending a physical.

Quintana, 32, pitched for the Angels and Giants last season and went 0-3 with a 6.43 ERA in 29 games (10 starts), although he did strike out a career-high 12.1 per nine innings.

The native of Arjona, Colombia has also pitched for the White Sox and Cubs during his 10-year career, going 83-80 with a 3.84 ERA in 283 games (257 starts).

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: November 21, 2021 at 06:42 PM | 13 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. GregD Posted: November 21, 2021 at 08:21 PM (#6053914)
Huh. I wouldn’t have been shocked if he was a non roster invite guy. I can’t see the logic of paying him guaranteed money but I get the pirates need somebody. I guess there’s a chance—one in three or so off the top of my head—of him being a 1-war player
   2. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: November 21, 2021 at 10:47 PM (#6053928)
What happened to this guy? He looked like a real up-and-comer for a while. Got traded to the Cubs, I guess. That'll do it for most anybody. At least he only cost them Dylan Cease and Eloy Jimenez.
   3. McCoy Posted: November 22, 2021 at 07:49 AM (#6053946)
It's kind of amazing how stacked the Cubs minor league was and how little of it either never played for the major league or they got so little from so many players.

There's been like 3 times in all of Cubs history where the Cubs had a good to great pipeline so it's pretty rare for them to have it.
   4. Zonk demands an audit of your post Posted: November 22, 2021 at 12:34 PM (#6053978)
Part of that, I think, has been regime change...

The first "good to great" pipeline I recall was in the late 80s. They got a surprise division title out of it - but make some hindsight trades that didn't work out so and the guys they kept atrophied and became fungible spare parts. This would have been the Palmeiro/Grace, Dwight Smith, Jerome Walton, etc era.

The next was the vaunted mid/early aughts. Injuries (Prior) mostly wrecked that one - they did OK with the trades, actually. Bobby Hill didn't have a career. Choi for Lee ended up being a steal.

Then, of course, the most recent... where they SERIOUSLY overpaid a lot. Thanks for the title, Thed -- but at the end of the day? They clearly had a LOT of premium talent that went on to better things. I STILL am not convinced that Chapman was necessarily for the title - didn't like the trade at the time, still don't. The Quintana deal, I DID like - steep price, but I figured Cease would flame out and Eloy looked (and still looks) like a DH.

   5. Zonk demands an audit of your post Posted: November 22, 2021 at 12:38 PM (#6053981)
One constant, it seems to me, is that the Cubs -- under multiple regimes -- seem to always be BEHIND the curve on prospect for established player exchange rates. Or at least, they seem to pay a premium in prospect more often than not while simultaneously getting mostly baubles and trinkets when they're on the vets for prospects hunt.

Over the long-term, that -- plus the idea that they STILL don't seem to draft well (as I've ####### about in Gonfalon -- set aside their top 10 first rounder run? They've been putrid in finding talent in later rounds... including during the vaunted Thed era) is the main reason they struggle to do the juggernaut thing... although, the 2015-2019 era was pretty good, all things considered. They just couldn't sustain it because the trades stopped working out and the drafts couldn't produce fill-in parts.
   6. sanny manguillen Posted: November 22, 2021 at 12:50 PM (#6053988)
He could theoretically be the sign that the Pirates are thinking of competing again. Or he could just be a bullpen arm.
   7. Russ Posted: November 22, 2021 at 02:17 PM (#6054018)
He could theoretically be the sign that the Pirates are thinking of competing again. Or he could just be a bullpen arm.


The Pirates are the kid who spends more time trying to get out of his homework than he would just doing it. They spend more money and energy trying to look like they're trying to compete than it would take to actually do it.
   8. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: November 22, 2021 at 02:26 PM (#6054021)

He could theoretically be the sign that the Pirates are thinking of competing again. Or he could just be a bullpen arm.


The Pirates' depth chart in the rotation, according to FG is:
Steven Brault
JT Brubaker
Dillon Peters
Bryse Wilson
Mitch Keller

Quintana is likely to be their Opening Day starter.
   9. McCoy Posted: November 22, 2021 at 02:44 PM (#6054030)
The eras I was thinking about was the early 60s, Dallas Greene era, and then the Thed era.

The MacPhail era had potential but most of it flamed out beyond Zambrano and Willis (and even Willis flamed out at the MLb level).
   10. Walt Davis Posted: November 22, 2021 at 05:36 PM (#6054078)
Funny, I don't really think of Maddux, Palmeiro and Grace as Dallas Green draftees but of course they were. Grace in the 24th round was probably more luck than anything (or was that a signability thing?) The 84 draft also netted Moyer and in 85 they drafted but didn't sign Tapani.

The 1988 draft produced -1.6 WAR and nobody they drafted in the first 15 rounds made the majors. The 89 draft produced -3.1 WAR but at least 2nd rounder Gary Scott made the majors. The 1990 draft produced -0.6 WAR. Three straight years of nothing ... real, genuine nothing.

One of those guys was a pitcher named Dave Stevens. Fortunately the Cubs traded him to the Twins before he made the majors although he came back through a few years later. A reliever, he somehow made it for parts of 7 seasons, 183 games, 250 IP ... with an ERA over 6 (-1.2 WAR). He musta had great stuff or something. Still, hanging on that long makes him the most successful Cubs pick of the 1988-90 drafts.
   11. McCoy Posted: November 23, 2021 at 07:45 AM (#6054181)
As you might be aware, Green left the Cubs after 1987 and the horrible stretch for the Cubs were part of their cutting back era when the Trib thought the Green administration spent too much money on development.
   12. Zonk demands an audit of your post Posted: November 23, 2021 at 08:17 AM (#6054189)
Funny, I don't really think of Maddux, Palmeiro and Grace as Dallas Green draftees but of course they were. Grace in the 24th round was probably more luck than anything (or was that a signability thing?) The 84 draft also netted Moyer and in 85 they drafted but didn't sign Tapani.


Technically, I'd call them Gord Goldsberry draftees. Green brought Gord over with him from the Phillies - and very much let Gord handle the draft (he was Director of Player Dev and Scouting). IIRC, Gord actually outlasted Green by a couple years -- he went to the Orioles at the end of the decade and until he passed, had a not-bad run as their farm/scout head (he drafted Mussina among a few others).

As you might be aware, Green left the Cubs after 1987 and the horrible stretch for the Cubs were part of their cutting back era when the Trib thought the Green administration spent too much money on development.


My recollection is that Green wanted the Theo job (President of baseball ops) and the Trib wasn't resistant to giving him that much control and it was more of a "you can't quit; you're fired!".... This was the era of corporate ownership among a lot of MLB -- and it was exceedingly rare for a "baseball guy" to get the Pres job.
   13. Walt Davis Posted: November 28, 2021 at 04:44 PM (#6055018)
#11 ... sure although I always forget exactly how long he lasted. But yeah, I know those horrible drafts weren't his responsibility and of course the Frey era was generally dismal other than the minor miracle of 89. But I didn't realize how horrible those drafts were** -- nobody for 15 rounds; 3 straight years without a single player with even 0.2 WAR; that's historic-level stuff there.

But like I said, it's mainly that I don't really associate Maddux et al as Green draftees. As in if you'd asked me "which Cubs GM drafted Greg Maddux" I would have had to think about it and would have eventually come around to "I guess it had to be Green, whaddya know." Or similarly, I hear Dallas Green and I think "pretty good at building vet teams and great at ripping off the Phils" not "strong draft record." Maybe because fans as a whole didn't pay that much attention to the draft in those days or maybe because Dunston was the only hyped prospect of the era he was actually in charge (and he didn't work out so well).

** although I wouldn't be shocked if I'd written much the same thing like 5 years ago.

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