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Tuesday, November 15, 2022

Sources: Angels, LHP Tyler Anderson agree to 3-year deal

Left-hander Tyler Anderson and the Los Angeles Angels are in agreement on a 3-year deal that’s expected to be in the $39 million range, sources told ESPN’s Jeff Passan on Tuesday.

Anderson turned down a one-year, $19.65 million qualifying offer from the Dodgers to join the Angels.

The Angels will lose their 2nd-round pick while Dodgers get a pick after the 4th round.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: November 15, 2022 at 04:32 PM | 24 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. The Duke Posted: November 15, 2022 at 04:45 PM (#6105668)
Interesting he turned down 1/19 for 3/40 so he sold the last two years for 2/21. Think I would have taken QO and bet on myself
   2. The Gary DiSarcina Fan Club (JAHV) Posted: November 15, 2022 at 05:01 PM (#6105672)
Ok, I guess, but last year sure as heck looks like the outlier in his career. Maybe he figured something out, but cutting his HR/FB in half in his 7th MLB season screams fluke.
   3. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: November 15, 2022 at 05:09 PM (#6105675)
Ok, I guess, but last year sure as heck looks like the outlier in his career. Maybe he figured something out, but cutting his HR/FB in half in his 7th MLB season screams fluke.

He also cut his BB-rate, but agree the HR rate looks fluky. It could also be a factor that in Anaheim he's going to pitch every fifth day, when in LA you always risk getting Maeda-ed, and consigned to the pen for a big chunk of the year.
   4. cardsfanboy Posted: November 15, 2022 at 05:11 PM (#6105677)
Interesting he turned down 1/19 for 3/40 so he sold the last two years for 2/21. Think I would have taken QO and bet on myself


And it's possible he didn't see himself getting the playing time to earn another contract if he just falters a little. With the Angels he's going to be given every chance to start, with the Dodgers, they already have Kershaw, Urias, Gonsolin and Buehler, all more established than him, he had a great season this year, but as 2 points out, it feels more fluky than anything else
   5. Hombre Brotani Posted: November 15, 2022 at 05:14 PM (#6105678)
The is the most Angels thing that could have happened, taking a chance on a guy who just had a career year and will be 33 years old next season.
   6. John Reynard Posted: November 15, 2022 at 05:33 PM (#6105681)
Interesting he turned down 1/19 for 3/40 so he sold the last two years for 2/21. Think I would have taken QO and bet on myself


He signed with the Angels. He'd have been smart to go 4/45 given that case, since he's unlikely to repeat what he did with LAD.

If the Dodgers hadn't been crowded with alternatives, taking the QO makes sense.
   7. The Duke Posted: November 15, 2022 at 05:33 PM (#6105682)
The most Angels thing would be signing up to 10 years of Judge
   8. The Gary DiSarcina Fan Club (JAHV) Posted: November 15, 2022 at 05:36 PM (#6105683)
The one thing I'll add about the HR rate, he spent the bulk of his early career in Colorado, so perhaps those numbers are inflated. And if I'm trying to talk myself into this signing, the rest of his numbers weren't THAT fluky - he decreased his walks, but not absurdly so, and everything else (SO/BB, LD%, XBH%) were improvements on his career rates but not so much that he couldn't replicate it.

That said, he's going to be 33 and the numbers were still better across the board. It's unlikely he repeats last season.
   9. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: November 15, 2022 at 06:00 PM (#6105689)
the Dodgers, they already have Kershaw, Urias, Gonsolin and Buehler, all more established than him

All true and I don't disagree (not to mention younger guys like May or probably 10 other prospects in the minors that are just as good), but won't Buehler miss all of next year after this TJ surgery?
   10. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: November 15, 2022 at 06:18 PM (#6105692)
I'm obviously making multiple assumptions here, but Anderson strikes me as uniquely self-aware of how life-changing locking in $39m is compared to $19m.

I mean, this is a guy who, as a 29-year-old in 2019, went 0-3 with an ERA of 11.76, a WHIP of over 2.1...and had to experience a lot of moments where he thought "this is it". Then, he was somewhat better in 2020 and 2021...but still not very good. He made about $16m in his career between 2016 and 2022. That's a lot of money, out of context - but it is not the kind of money that typically makes one's family set for life.

But another $39m, guaranteed, over the next three years? Even if he pays half of it in taxes, he'll have another $20m clear by age 37 - that is enough to be set for life, even if he never signs another contract. That must be an amazing feeling.



   11. cardsfanboy Posted: November 15, 2022 at 07:05 PM (#6105693)
All true and I don't disagree (not to mention younger guys like May or probably 10 other prospects in the minors that are just as good), but won't Buehler miss all of next year after this TJ surgery?


I don't know the status of the players nor do I know the status of their young guys coming up, but you are probably right, it still puts him just 4th on the depth chart at best.
   12. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: November 15, 2022 at 08:13 PM (#6105706)
Anderson is coming off three one-year deals and probably wanted the first security of his career. A three-year deal in the same city he currently lives in sounds like a great outcome.

Steve Balboni said it well.
   13. Darren Posted: November 15, 2022 at 10:59 PM (#6105727)
He made about $16m in his career between 2016 and 2022. That's a lot of money, out of context - but it is not the kind of money that typically makes one's family set for life.


Wait, what?
   14. Howie Menckel Posted: November 15, 2022 at 11:11 PM (#6105730)
Wait, what?

my biggest BBTF wakeup call of the last several years was coming to the realization that the comment is liable to be a pretty mainstream opinion here. I actually appreciate the honesty - it is what it is, and it helped me by less startled by some of the subsequent discussions.

an annual household income of $100K for 30 years - not exactly poverty level - would add up to $3M. total.

but $16M in 2 years does not make "one's family set for life," apparently. gotta add another $39M (long before age 40) to mitigate some risk and sleep better at night.

perhaps you and your siblings, like mine, Darren were the first in family history to attend college and had a father with a blue-collar job.

in some threads here, it has felt as if there are more posters whose ancestors arrived on the Mayflower than have that pedigree.

#nttawwt
#shrugemoji
   15. Baldrick Posted: November 15, 2022 at 11:18 PM (#6105731)
I understand Mr. Balboni's point in context, but yeah that line was pretty weird.

Me and my partner will collective not make anything close to 13 million dollars in our lives. And we live very happy, very comfortable lives.

If I made 13 million this year, I would immediately retire, and spend my time hanging out with my kid and traveling and playing board games and writing about soccer on my blog, and would not think twice about it.
   16. John Reynard Posted: November 15, 2022 at 11:42 PM (#6105732)
There is a difference between living comfortably and being set for life. As someone who has worked in wealth management for over a decade and a half, I'll vouch that people stop caring about the dollar figure and more about having a few things to brag about at the country club instead around $50M after tax assets, with at least $10M semi-liquid (can be borrowed against is good enough). I personally entered the business because I learned I needed to save about $7M for my son's estimated support needs after the later of my wife and I die, and I didn't want my daughter to be saddled with trying to figure it out herself. You never know what people's needs are.

I think Anderson made a sensible signing if nobody else was offering a 3-year deal too. There is a lot of risk associated with trying to be as good again, and not a lot of margin for error if he puts up a really bad season. I question signing with the Angels. But, maybe he likes LA and the Dodgers were like "nah, we offered the OA, we're not going past that anything serious."

   17. cardsfanboy Posted: November 15, 2022 at 11:50 PM (#6105734)
If I made 13 million this year, I would immediately retire, and spend my time hanging out with my kid and traveling and playing board games and writing about soccer on my blog, and would not think twice about it


We know you can't be honest, you would write about football on your blog and complain when people confuse the two.

(and yes I'm just making a probably bad joke)
   18. Baldrick Posted: November 16, 2022 at 08:14 AM (#6105737)
Well, I've moved to Sweden so it would actually be fotboll now.
   19. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: November 16, 2022 at 08:59 AM (#6105742)
my biggest BBTF wakeup call of the last several years was coming to the realization that the comment is liable to be a pretty mainstream opinion here. I actually appreciate the honesty - it is what it is, and it helped me by less startled by some of the subsequent discussions.

an annual household income of $100K for 30 years - not exactly poverty level - would add up to $3M. total.

but $16M in 2 years does not make "one's family set for life," apparently. gotta add another $39M (long before age 40) to mitigate some risk and sleep better at night.


I'm with you, Howie. $5M in investable assets and you're rich. Some people have the belief that you need to have so much wealth that nobody in your family ever has to work again for 10 generations, and still live like rich people. I'm of the opinion that giving your kids enough money that they never have to work is the single worse thing you can do to them, that's not illegal.
   20. Darren Posted: November 16, 2022 at 01:36 PM (#6105779)
perhaps you and your siblings, like mine, Darren were the first in family history to attend college and had a father with a blue-collar job.

Not exactly, but close enough. We live a comfortable middle class life, and $16 mil. is unfathomable to me. Say that $16 mil ends up as $5 mil after taxes, some spending splurges, agents, etc. Invest conservatively and you've got a couple hundred thousand a year for life without touching the principal. You are set for life in a way that 99 percent of the population is not.

   21. Walt Davis Posted: November 16, 2022 at 02:50 PM (#6105799)
Moreoever ... it's not that he had "just" $16 M ... he had $16 M and, if he wanted, another $20 M via the qualifying offer. It wasn't "hey if you've only got $16 M, another $39 M looks darn good" it was "he's already got $36 M if he takes the QO, how good does another $19 look?"

He was actually in a pretty sweet spot. But I suppose, contrary to my own argument in the earlier thread, the main reason to take the QO and "bet on yourself" is in hopes of repeating and getting 3/$70 or something next year. But if you're insufficiently motivated by money that $55 vs $36 isn't that big of a deal to you, you're probably not the guy who will forego that extra $19 for a chance at an extra $70. Take the money and ... walk casually to your very nice house in a very nice suburb with your very nice family. Still, I'm a bit surprised the Dodgers wouldn't match this deal.

It's true that he's been on 1-year contracts, non-tendered twice, etc. ... yet still has $16 M in earnings and was able to sign for $8 M for 2022. That suggests that if he took the QO ($20 M) then turned back into himself he'd ... have to go back to signing 1/$8 contracts? Again, he was in an almost perfect spot for a non-superstar.

in Anaheim he's going to pitch every fifth day

Sixth day (Ohtani). He's still gonna get only the 25 or so starts a year he was gonna get in LAD.
   22. Walt Davis Posted: November 16, 2022 at 03:07 PM (#6105803)
Middle-class and above people have a tendency to over-estimate how much they need for a "comfortable" retirement as well (which isn't to say that they are saving enough, more that they've given up on the idea). As long as you own your own home by the time you retire, living expenses really aren't that high. People tend to think they still need to clear their full-time salary but once you're not paying a mortgage, not paying tuition and other kid expenses, you don't need that much money. Social security isn't a ton but it's more than enough to put food on the table and keep the power on as long as your housing costs are near zero (still got tax, insurance, maintenance). Then your work retirement fund pays for the extras.

One of the major Australian retirement funds did a study and found that their average member died with something like 70% of their funds remaining. And most of those folks would also own their own home which represents another $500+ K of assets. Now "average" hides a lot of lower-level employees who were struggling but that's still a lot of untapped money. Obviously those with kids think about leaving something behind and in many cases that is absolutely vital but in a lot of other cases, your kids are doing great and the money you leave them is just gonna be sitting there when they die.

And of course in the US you've got those potentially crippling healthcare costs. That might not be the best system.

Western populations are aging and if we all sit on our money then the economies are going to stagnate. Yet governments are generally trying to raise the retirement age.
   23. Hombre Brotani Posted: November 16, 2022 at 03:12 PM (#6105804)
Some people have the belief that you need to have so much wealth that nobody in your family ever has to work again for 10 generations, and still live like rich people.
I don't think anyone actually thinks that. This is a baseball board, and the money that gets thrown around in baseball these days warps the general conversation about how much money is "enough money."

Current median income in the United States is just over $50,000. $1 million is the median income for 20 years. Even for those of us making a good deal more than the median, $1 million for any of us would improve our financial situations dramatically. I suspect all of us understand that.
   24. Nasty Nate Posted: November 16, 2022 at 03:25 PM (#6105809)
If we think that stability and location were a motivating factor for him, it's a little surprising that he successfully negotiate for some no-trade protection. Although I guess he still has a much better chance of being on the same team for multiple years this way rather than with the QO.

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