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Monday, March 21, 2022

Sources: Colorado Rockies lock up Ryan McMahon with 6-year, $70 million extension

Infielder Ryan McMahon and the Colorado Rockies agreed on a six-year, $70 million contract extension Monday, capping a week of spending in which the team guaranteed more than a quarter-billion dollars in salary, sources told ESPN.

McMahon, 27, is coming off a career-best season in which he hit .254/.331/.449 and played elite defense at third base and second base. The expectation is for him to remain the Rockies’ starting third baseman even in the wake of Kris Bryant signing a seven-year, $182 million free agent deal with Colorado last week.


The contract for McMahon will keep him from reaching free agency after the 2023 season and tie him to an organization that has a history of extending home-grown players. Before the lockout, the Rockies gave right-hander Antonio Senzatela a five-year, $50.5 million deal, and they previously had locked up right-hander German Marquez, outfielder Charlie Blackmon and third baseman Nolan Arenado, the latter of whom they traded last year to St. Louis.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 21, 2022 at 02:58 PM | 70 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Buck Coats Posted: March 21, 2022 at 04:26 PM (#6068527)
When you can lock up a guy who's never put up an 800 OPS in Coors Field, you have to do it.
   2. Tom Nawrocki Posted: March 21, 2022 at 04:38 PM (#6068528)
McMahon is almost like the new Don Money. His bat isn't terrible, although it plays better at second than it does at third. His defense is legitimately impressive, good enough that you wonder if he could handle short. If it was my team, I'd put Bryant at third, Rodgers at short, and McMahon at second.
   3. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: March 21, 2022 at 04:56 PM (#6068534)
They signed Bryant to be an outfielder?
   4. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 21, 2022 at 05:05 PM (#6068537)
Don't get the rush to lock up a guy with an 87 wRC+.
   5. Tom Nawrocki Posted: March 21, 2022 at 05:07 PM (#6068538)
The expectation is that Bryant will play left field.
   6. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 21, 2022 at 05:57 PM (#6068543)
$70M seems like a lot, but I didn't realize how great he was defensively last year. Still, seems weird to pay that much for defense at a non premium position with a below league average bat. He was pretty decent offensively last year, so idk, not my money, and good for the Rockies for actually keeping one of their players (for now).
   7. Gazizza, my Dilznoofuses! Posted: March 21, 2022 at 07:02 PM (#6068548)
McMahon is almost like the new Don Money.


My favorite Don money story:

I can barely Don Money, but a friend of mine is old enough that in his youth he saw Money play in Philly and apparently took a liking to him. My friend repeatedly told his wife how big a fan he was of Don Money and how much he loved watching him play. One year, she decided on the perfect "big gift" to get my friend: a Don Money baseball card. He apparently was so good that surely his card would be expensive.

She went to a card store, asked for a Don money card, and the dealer handed it to her and said, "That'll be five bucks." It was that day she learned that fandom goes far beyond a player's actual ability.

(Although, looking at his BBRef page just now, Money was apparently a lot better than I, or the baseball card trading market, gave him credit for.)
   8. sunday silence (again) Posted: March 21, 2022 at 07:34 PM (#6068552)
Still, seems weird to pay that much for defense at a non premium position with a below league average bat.


HOw is 3b not a premium position? Chapman put 28 def runs a couple years ago, so I would think the extreme players might save as many runs as SS. Well maybe not quite, as SS does more relay throws and tags but still it must be close. I would think both 3b and SS get slightly more plays than CF. THat leaves C, and I guess it depends on what we think of framing.

Would guess 3b/C rank just a bit behind SS on the spectrum of defense.
   9. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: March 21, 2022 at 07:54 PM (#6068560)
McMahon is almost like the new Don Money. His bat isn't terrible, although it plays better at second than it does at third.


Seems like an odd comparison. Money was a much better hitter and not as good defensively.
   10. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 21, 2022 at 08:02 PM (#6068561)
She went to a card store, asked for a Don money card, and the dealer handed it to her and said, "That'll be five bucks." It was that day she learned that fandom goes far beyond a player's actual ability.
She still paid way too much.
   11. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 21, 2022 at 08:02 PM (#6068563)
McMahon is almost like the new Don Money.
He's so Money and he doesn't even know it.
   12. The Mighty Quintana Posted: March 21, 2022 at 08:42 PM (#6068568)
He's more like the new Tom Brookens...

And for five bucks, he shoulda thrown in Don Aase and Don Sutton...guess he knew he had a live one.
   13. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: March 21, 2022 at 09:25 PM (#6068572)
That's "American League All-Star" Don Money.
   14. Walt Davis Posted: March 21, 2022 at 09:36 PM (#6068574)
Tried to get her to pay $6 for Donn Clendenon cuz of the extra "n" which is really a bargain given it's a 1/3 increase in the number of letters.

10-year old me would have felt as rich as Elon Musk if you'd given me $5 for my Don Money. That coulda bought 50 packs of baseball cards back in the day ... probably containing at least 10 Don Moneys.

Not to say they won't regret this but 4/$70 for 2 arb years and 4 FA years is cheap enough it almost doesn't matter how good the player is. Has me thinking this may be the most Rockies-signing ever -- probably won't work out well for them, probably $20 M (or 2 years) more than anybody else would pay, shows loyalty, got over-excited about a 1-season 20-run jump in Rfield.

Would guess 3b/C rank just a bit behind SS on the spectrum of defense.

Not so sure about that. Certainly on the traditional spectrum, it's C and SS easily in front; 2B, 3B and CF all roughly the same, around average; 1B, LF and RF on the bottom end. And if you rank them offensively, that's about right too with 3B/CF usually fighting it out for 4th place then 2B and SS and C lagging well behind.

But that has been changing over the last 10 years or so. It's not uncommon for 2B to be outhit by SS these days ... and I'm not sure this is true but it seems that 2B is more of a part-time/floater position than it used to be. Which could mean that teams have decided a hitting SS is worth a few runs in (absolute) defensive ability, meaning fewer guys get shifted to 2B/3B.

All that aside, statcast at least partly agrees. Chapman and Arenado have frequently rated similar to the best SS (non-Andrelton) but I think it falls off pretty sharply after that. Statcast in general suggests the defensive spectrum ain't all that wide -- near as I can tell the gap between an average SS and an average (maybe above) 1B is on the order of just 5 runs. If my general speculation that SSs are just bigger and more powerful (on average) than they used to be, then statcast makes sense without necessarily contradicting our traditional understanding. As I noted the other day, Trevor Story has a career 200 ROAD ISO.

Story is 6-2, 213 at b-r ... and reportedly one of the fastest guys in the game. Billy Williams was listed as 6-1 175, probably played at 200-225 most of his career, had a 200 career ISO, was not fast and played a mediocre LF. This is just not the world in which Bert Campaneris excelled. What would Belanger hit today, 180? Either we have seen a big change in the combo of size, power, speed and agility such that the 6-1 Belanger would be slugging over 400 today while providing the same elite defense (certainly possible) or we are comparing apples and oranges defensively.
   15. John Northey Posted: March 21, 2022 at 11:13 PM (#6068583)
So over/under on when they trade him to free up cash? 2024?
   16. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: March 21, 2022 at 11:59 PM (#6068586)
McMahon had 1.7 bWAR in 2019, and 4.0 in 2021. A defense-driven number. Career 6.5 WAR.

They had him under team control for his 27 and 28 year-old seasons.

He projects as a 2 WAR player.


   17. baxter Posted: March 22, 2022 at 12:10 AM (#6068587)
Money was a legit good player; couple of 5 war seasons another one close to 5.

He is the answer to a trivia question (well probably several) but the one I am thinking of is name a player who played 100 games or more at each of the 4 infield positions. There are four of them (or there were a few years ago when I heard the question, in fact I may have heard the question on this board, or more likely listening to a Dodger game as the question evokes a Scully voice).

As for McMahon, cross him with Don Money and you can get Don McMahon, who seemed so old when I was kid now I read he died at 57 seeming so young.

Or, cross McMahon w/Eddie Money so you can get Ed McMahon; hopefully Ryan is funnier (although Ed gave a great performance in "The Incident"). I wonder what Ryan's Daughter looks like (if he has a daughter).
   18. baxter Posted: March 22, 2022 at 12:53 AM (#6068588)
To add to what no one may care about, there are TEN such players (nice question at a site called horsehide trivia). I would be surprised if even the experts on this board get more than 8 of them b/c 2 of them seem completely obscure.
   19. Cooper Nielson Posted: March 22, 2022 at 04:35 AM (#6068597)
To add to what no one may care about, there are TEN such players (nice question at a site called horsehide trivia). I would be surprised if even the experts on this board get more than 8 of them b/c 2 of them seem completely obscure.

This is a great question and I look forward to seeing the answers. These are presumably guys with the glove to play SS and the bat to play 1B, but they could also just be versatile guys with long careers on teams with short benches.

Ernie Banks famously clears the two hardest positions, but only played 69 games at 3B and none at 2B.

Tom Brookens (mentioned above so he came to mind) cleared 100 at 2B/3B/SS, but only 2 games at 1B. I'm sure there are tons of guys in this group -- the classic weak-hitting utility infielder, and also Javy Baez and Tony Phillips.

Paul Molitor, on the other hand, cleared 1B/2B/3B easily but only played 57 games at SS (still more than I expected). Jeff Kent (3 at SS) and D.J. LeMahieu (4 at SS) are in this group, which is also probably very crowded. (Pete Rose cleared 600 games at 1B/2B/3B but played zero games at SS.)

Julio Franco played more than 500 games at 1B/2B/SS but only 7 at 3B. Hanley Ramirez ALMOST gets 1B/3B/SS (99 games at 3B is "close enough") but zero games at 2B. These two combinations are a lot less common than the others, I'm sure. I'd be interested to see more of these.

OK, I found one: Michael Young. 111 games at 1B, 448 at 2B, 465 at 3B, 793 at SS.
   20. Cooper Nielson Posted: March 22, 2022 at 04:40 AM (#6068598)
Honus Wagner is in the 1B/3B/SS club. 57 games at 2B.
   21. kcgard2 Posted: March 22, 2022 at 08:44 AM (#6068601)
Miguel Cairo, Rich Aurilia, Michael Young, Chone Figgins (probably 1B keeps him out of this club, same for Juan Castro), Willie Bloomquist, Todd Walker.
   22. tonywagner Posted: March 22, 2022 at 09:20 AM (#6068605)
In their top 50 free agents write-up, Fangraphs alluded to DRS systematically overrating Colorado infielders in their entry on Story:
If there’s cause for concern, it’s on defense, and I’ll be honest: I’m not sure what to think. Per DRS, Story was excellent, but DRS seems to systematically overrate Colorado infield defenders. From 2010-21, DRS thought the Rockies had the best infield defense by roughly 130 runs, 285 runs above average. It also thought they had the worst outfield defense, 205 runs below average. UZR and OAA both think that the Rockies have been good at infield defense — they’ve had a ton of talented defenders — but place them firmly in the fray, not head and shoulders above everyone else.

Seems to apply to McMahon too -- 37 career Rdrs, vs only 8.1 UZR. As a result, he had 4 bWAR last year, but only 2.5 fWAR.
   23. kcgard2 Posted: March 22, 2022 at 11:58 AM (#6068620)
Ahh, Chris Gomez missed the list by only playing 96 games at 3B. So close!
   24. SoSH U at work Posted: March 22, 2022 at 12:50 PM (#6068623)
Carlos Guillen?

Edit: Only if you liberally round up - 84 games at second, 71 at first.

   25. SoSH U at work Posted: March 22, 2022 at 12:52 PM (#6068624)
How about Tony Phillips?
   26. Nasty Nate Posted: March 22, 2022 at 12:56 PM (#6068625)
Jose Oquendo? Julio Franco?

edit: nope on both
   27. The Mighty Quintana Posted: March 22, 2022 at 01:07 PM (#6068627)
To add to what no one may care about, there are TEN such players (nice question at a site called horsehide trivia). I would be surprised if even the experts on this board get more than 8 of them b/c 2 of them seem completely obscure.


This is exactly the thing I care about!

My guesses: Roy Smalley, Wil Cordero, Randy Velarde, Aurelio Rodriguez
   28. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: March 22, 2022 at 01:11 PM (#6068628)
To add to what no one may care about, there are TEN such players (nice question at a site called horsehide trivia). I would be surprised if even the experts on this board get more than 8 of them b/c 2 of them seem completely obscure.


There are actually 12.
   29. Bad Doctor Posted: March 22, 2022 at 01:27 PM (#6068631)
Marwin Gonzalez is one.

Stunned that Zobrist isn't. He seems the archetype, but didn't play enough 3B or 1B.

Gregg Jefferies goes on the Paul Molitor list. Played absolutely no SS. Surprising with him having been such a wunderkind, plus breaking in as a middle infielder under a manager who would stick the likes of Howard Johnson and Kevin Mitchell -- Kevin Mitchell!!! -- at short behind flyball/strikeout pitchers.
   30. Howie Menckel Posted: March 22, 2022 at 01:36 PM (#6068632)
I believe Sid Fernandez may be the most extreme fly ball pitcher ever?

Davey Johnson using HoJo at SS and Mitchell at 3B for those starts, rather than light-hitting Rafael Santana at SS and HoJo at 3B, was both obvious and brilliant. we need more innovative thinking like that.
   31. . . . . . . Posted: March 22, 2022 at 01:57 PM (#6068634)
Davey Johnson using HoJo at SS and Mitchell at 3B for those starts, rather than light-hitting Rafael Santana at SS and HoJo at 3B, was both obvious and brilliant. we need more innovative thinking like that.


Davey Johnson is the greatest post WWII manager, IMO. Only had two full seasons under 500 in his managerial career, they were both his first season with the team, and he promptly went above 500 the next year. .563 lifetime winning percentage. All the man did was win ballgames.
   32. Cris E Posted: March 22, 2022 at 02:13 PM (#6068636)
Zobrist should be. That makes no sense.

Cuddyer? No SS. Punto? 5 games at 1B. Denny Hocking? 45 at 1B, pretty close.
   33. Rally Posted: March 22, 2022 at 02:29 PM (#6068638)
Gregg Jefferies goes on the Paul Molitor list. Played absolutely no SS. Surprising with him having been such a wunderkind, plus breaking in as a middle infielder under a manager who would stick the likes of Howard Johnson and Kevin Mitchell -- Kevin Mitchell!!! -- at short behind flyball/strikeout pitchers.


Surprise to me too. In the minors, he was mostly a shortstop.
   34. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: March 22, 2022 at 02:36 PM (#6068639)
Paul Molitor, on the other hand, cleared 1B/2B/3B easily but only played 57 games at SS (still more than I expected).


In 1978, Yount walked out and threatened to begin a PGA career. Molitor was the regular SS for the first 30 or so games of the season until Yount returned.
   35. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: March 22, 2022 at 02:47 PM (#6068642)
Great question! Chone Figgins was the first guy I thought of, I checked Tony Phillips, Travis Shaw, Troy Glaus.

I know Matt Williams played as SS, but he never played 2B at all.

Daniel Murphy and Jose Vidro moved around, but their managers wisely never played them at shortstop. I'm guessing the answers are from much further back in history.
   36. Jose is Absurdly Correct but not Helpful Posted: March 22, 2022 at 02:51 PM (#6068643)
Brock Holt?
   37. BDC Posted: March 22, 2022 at 03:01 PM (#6068645)
I thought of Jimmy Johnston, of the old Brooklyn Robins, who played 448 games at third, 243 at second, 178 at shortstop … but just 49 at first base :(
   38. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: March 22, 2022 at 03:27 PM (#6068649)
The following guesses are correct: Aurillia, Young, Gonzalez, and Money (not really guess, but he is what spurred the conversation). The others:

Long time player and manager. His playing career started in 1918, his manager career ended in 1961

Current player. 30 YO. His career is almost perfectly balanced among the 4 position, with a low of 148 and a high of 182

Was traded with an inner circle HOFer

He hates water coolers.

This guy needs to get back to where he once belonged.

The other 3 I have never heard of. 2 of them last played over 100 years ago. The other guy played from 1960-70 with the A's, Senators, Orioles, Mets, Reds, Braves, Cardinals.
   39. Karl from NY Posted: March 22, 2022 at 03:30 PM (#6068650)
DRS seems to systematically overrate Colorado infield defenders.

Does this break down Coors home games vs road games? I could see where Coors home games would make infield defense look better - a greater proportion of outs happen in Colorado's infield, because fewer happen both in the outfield and by strikeout. Or maybe Coors produces more bloop hits, that don't get charged against the infielders.
   40. Walt Davis Posted: March 22, 2022 at 03:36 PM (#6068653)
Jackie Robinson didn't play enough SS, Rose never played SS. Jose Hernandez misses by 21 games at 1B. Fregosi had just 1 game at 2B. Counsell misses by a mere 96 games at 1B. Even combined, Jose & John Valentin come up well short at 1B.

I feel sorta disadvantaged by this question -- I came of baseball age in an era when SS couldn't hit well enough to play SS much less 1B.

John Valentin might belong on the all-time late bloomers team -- no MLB until 25, from 26-31, puts up 50 WAR mostly at SS, from 32-35 just 1.2 WAR missing almost 2 full seasons with injury.

EDIT: I hadn't got to #38 yet, those weren't my guesses based on the clues.
   41. sunday silence (again) Posted: March 22, 2022 at 03:44 PM (#6068655)
Jimmy Dykes is one.
   42. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: March 22, 2022 at 03:48 PM (#6068656)
Yes. he's the first clue.
   43. sunday silence (again) Posted: March 22, 2022 at 03:51 PM (#6068657)
its not Jo JO White or Jo Jo Moore. WHo does that leave?
   44. Walt Davis Posted: March 22, 2022 at 03:55 PM (#6068658)
The current 30-yo is Wilmer Flores ... and the numbers cited in #38 for Flores are the number of starts

EDIT: I should add that was after plenty of poking around. Chris Taylor, Enrique Hernandez and Max Muncy sprang to mind but was confident they were all deficient (they were). That led to questions like "who plays 1B for Detroit" which gave the answer Jonathan Schoop which also seemed a reasonable guess but not him. That led to lots of frustrated poking around.
   45. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: March 22, 2022 at 03:57 PM (#6068659)
Whoops, yes. But the number of games has a similar tight spread.
   46. kcgard2 Posted: March 22, 2022 at 04:03 PM (#6068660)
Willie Bloomquist had 100+ games at every position except catcher (0) and 1B (47) - he should count for something! 100+ at each outfield spot should count for one infield spot :)
   47. Bad Doctor Posted: March 22, 2022 at 04:03 PM (#6068661)
its not Jo JO White or Jo Jo Moore. WHo does that leave?

Ah, Mark Loretta.

I thought I had already looked him up, but it was Mark DeRosa.
   48. kcgard2 Posted: March 22, 2022 at 04:13 PM (#6068663)
So, so many guys who just miss on one position. Very frustrating.
   49. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: March 22, 2022 at 04:19 PM (#6068664)
The water cooler guy played as recently as 2020. The inner circle HOFer the other guy was traded with was an established star, still in his prime.
   50. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: March 22, 2022 at 04:47 PM (#6068667)
The water cooler guy played as recently as 2020.

ISTR Sean Rodriguez going nuclear on a water cooler once. Him?
   51. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: March 22, 2022 at 04:55 PM (#6068668)
Yes
   52. BDC Posted: March 22, 2022 at 05:00 PM (#6068669)
played from 1960-70 with the A's, Senators, Orioles, Mets, Reds, Braves, Cardinals

I thought that might be Chico Ruiz, but Ruiz didn't even play 400 total games in the field.

Nor did he play for the Orioles. Who am I thinking of? Chico Salmon. Salmon came close, getting SS/2B/1B, but only played 54 games at 3B.

It's not Ted Kubiak either - wrong teams, plus he only played two games at first base. What good was looking at all those Who's Who in Baseballs when I was eleven?
   53. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: March 22, 2022 at 05:05 PM (#6068670)
He shares a name with a popular old timey HOF candidate who is not worthy but has his supporters.
   54. BDC Posted: March 22, 2022 at 05:08 PM (#6068671)
Chico Overall?
   55. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: March 22, 2022 at 05:15 PM (#6068672)
I found the guy traded with a HOFer: Denis Menke, who I have never, ever heard of, but had a nice career: 1500 games, 103 OPS+, 28 bWAR. Came to the Reds with Joe Morgan and played in the '72 WS. Two-time All Star.
   56. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: March 22, 2022 at 05:24 PM (#6068673)
Chico Overall?


Heh. First and last name.
   57. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: March 22, 2022 at 05:25 PM (#6068674)
Yes, Menke.
   58. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: March 22, 2022 at 05:29 PM (#6068675)
Menke had one outlier season. In 1964 for the Braves, he had a 136 OPS+ while playing above average SS. 6.7 WAR, just 0.1 behind Aaron for the team lead.
   59. Walt Davis Posted: March 22, 2022 at 07:50 PM (#6068685)
Yeah, Menke was a solid player, sort of the Don Money of his day. I should have thought of him. (If I had to, I would have guessed he came up short at either 2B or 1B.)

On Joe Morgan ... although I obviously saw him on TV, I just don't remember Morgan as an Astro. Or don't remember associating him with the Astros at the time. Menke, Cedeno (obviously), Wynn, Doug Rader, Roger Metzger -- knew all of those guys, associate them with the Astros of my youth. And Dierker and one of the Forsches (have to think a bit to make sure it was Ken). I suspect my reaction to that trade was "Lee May for Morgan? Why? Lee May is excellent."

And what a mind-bogglingly awful trade. May and Helms for Morgan and Menke might have just been standard historically awful. But to get Billingham and Geronimo in the trade too? Hell, May for Geronimo would have been a good trade for the Reds.

The official tally:

May 11 WAR (6 for Hou)
Helms 4 (4 for Hou)

Morgan 74 (58 for Reds)
Menke 4 (4 for Reds)
Billingham 5 WAR (2 for Reds)**
Geronimo 14 WAR (13 for Reds)

So Hou got 10 WAR out of it; Morgan 11 WAR in 1975.

** Man does bWAR hate Jack Billingham -- replacement level for the BRM WS years. Career 1.93 ERA in 42 postseason IP though.
   60. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: March 22, 2022 at 09:10 PM (#6068694)
Just to end speculation (I know everyone has been waiting for this), the 60's guy is named Bob Johnson. The other 2 guys were from the aughts/teens and I already forgot their names.
   61. Walt Davis Posted: March 22, 2022 at 09:18 PM (#6068695)
So, so many guys who just miss on one position. Very frustrating.

Depends on the position. Lots of guys with 100+ at 2B,SS,3B (that's essentially a regular baseball role) but of course nobody in their right mind would give them 100+ games at 1B because they couldn't hit.** Similarly a reasonable number of guys at 1B-2B-3B but never had the skills to fake SS for 100+ games. Now somebody like Jose Hernandez coming up 21 games short at 1B is very frustrating, Chris Gomez probably more frustrating... or anybody who's got 1B and SS with some but not enough 2B/3B because they probably had the skills to do it.

** Not that giving Chris Gomez and Miguel Cairo 100+ games at 1B was smart.
   62. BDC Posted: March 22, 2022 at 09:36 PM (#6068698)
OK, I never heard of (non-Indian) Bob Johnson.

Interesting stat line, though, because he got enough time at each of those positions despite pinch-hitting in more games than he played any one of them. And well, too. Johnson had a lifetime batting average of .272, pretty good for the 1960s, and his lifetime pinch-hit batting average was also .272.
   63. sunday silence (again) Posted: March 22, 2022 at 09:55 PM (#6068700)
the one weird fact I learned while looking that stuff up was that Leon Cardenas hung around long enuf to be a DH for the Rangers. I assumed he flamed out in the 60s.
   64. Howie Menckel Posted: March 22, 2022 at 10:16 PM (#6068702)
while Indian Bob Johnson was the first - I still vote for him for HOM ! - it's a popular MLB name.

Bob Johnson 1933-45
Bob Johnson 1944
Bob Johnson 1960-70
Bob Johnson 1969-77
Bob Johnson 1981-83

I have both Bob Johnson 1970 Topps cards somewhere in my closet...
   65. The Duke Posted: March 22, 2022 at 11:15 PM (#6068706)
Dennis Descalso got close

Javy Baez may get there towards the tail end of his career. Just needs some 1B starts
   66. The Duke Posted: March 22, 2022 at 11:24 PM (#6068707)
Michael young appears to have done it
   67. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: March 22, 2022 at 11:37 PM (#6068708)
Yes. I can see Baez getting there if his bat holds up
   68. Ron J Posted: March 23, 2022 at 06:49 AM (#6068717)
#58 It's the glove that's out of step with anything else he did. The bat looks pretty similar to his two All-Star seasons.
   69. Walt Davis Posted: March 23, 2022 at 05:49 PM (#6068821)
If Wilmer Flores can get there, obviously Javy might ... but I suspect that if he does, it means this contract hasn't quite gone as planned. Obviously for this money, he'll be put on the field somewhere as long as possible but for Javy to make more sense as your 1B rather than your 2B/3B (or even LF) for today's game (and again and again) would mean his defensive skills have really faded ... and that your FO thought it wise to sign a 35-yo Rizzo as the 1B. For guys like Javy (Jose Hernandez, etc) it's not that anybody's worried they can't handle 1B, it's that the combo of limited bat and solid glove means 1B is rarely the optimal position.

This is pretty remarkable. In 2015, Sean Rodriguez got 102 games at 1B but just 12 of them were starts. I don't think I've ever noticed such an extreme difference. 102 games, just 326 innings.
   70. The Honorable Ardo Posted: March 24, 2022 at 01:09 AM (#6068869)
Rodriguez was an extreme defensive caddy for Pedro Alvarez. Alvarez, in his last year as a Pirate, was moved from 3B to 1B but was still a dreadful liability even at the "less challenging" position. He made 119 starts at first base but only completed 37 of them.

The funniest part of the 2015 NL Wild Card game was Alvarez going 0-3 with 3 K's after Clint Hurdle denied Rodriguez a chance to bat. Attaboy, Clint!

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