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Sources: Los Angeles Dodgers’ Justin Turner staying on 2-year, $34M deal

Third baseman Justin Turner is staying put with the Los Angeles Dodgers, he announced Saturday on Twitter.

Turner’s deal is for two years and $34 million guaranteed, and it includes a club option for a third year, sources told ESPN’s Jeff Passan.

Turner, 36, became a free agent when his four-year, $64 million contract expired following the Dodgers’ World Series victory in October. A member of the Dodgers since 2014, Turner is the longest-tenured position player on the team and the third longest overall, behind Clayton Kershaw (2008) and Kenley Jansen (2010).

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 13, 2021 at 10:16 PM | 29 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: February 13, 2021 at 11:25 PM (#6005035)
Great news! The lineup is set now. It’s bad news for Rios, but I felt he should see more time at AAA anyway and improve his contact numbers. The cost was a bit more than expected, but it’s not my money.
   2. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 13, 2021 at 11:50 PM (#6005036)
It's perplexing that it took this long if LA was willing to pay that price. Was Turner really going to turn down 2/30 a couple of months ago?
   3. bunyon Posted: February 14, 2021 at 08:08 AM (#6005043)
Perhaps they were hoping to land someone else?
   4. JJ1986 Posted: February 14, 2021 at 08:22 AM (#6005046)
"Sources" meaning that it was tweeted from Turner's account.
   5. asinwreck Posted: February 14, 2021 at 11:23 AM (#6005060)
I suspect Friedman wasn't going to finalize terms with Turner until the team knew whether Bauer would be joining them and what implications that signing would have for luxury tax purposes over the next three seasons. Once Bauer signed, this came together quickly.
   6. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 14, 2021 at 12:17 PM (#6005069)
I suspect Friedman wasn't going to finalize terms with Turner until the team knew whether Bauer would be joining them and what implications that signing would have for luxury tax purposes over the next three seasons. Once Bauer signed, this came together quickly.

That's still weird. Bauer came in at a higher AAV than anyone expected, b/c the Dodgers kept the deal short. If they could fit that deal and Turner, they should have been fine signing Turner first. They always could have made the Bauer deal longer if they wanted.

Turner is as good a player as Bauer right now, and fills a much bigger need as well. The whole thing seemed to work backward.
   7. JRVJ Posted: February 14, 2021 at 12:41 PM (#6005072)
I admit that I don't follow the Dodgers that closely, but do they have a 60 man roster?

I ask, because according to Baseball America, they have a tremendously deep farm system, and yet they re-sign Turner and sign Bauer.

I mean, something has to give, and they don't seem to be going the way of the Padres (trading volume for quality, thus freeing up some 40-man roster spots).
   8. Howie Menckel Posted: February 14, 2021 at 12:59 PM (#6005075)
plenty of star prospects are not yet required to be on 40-man rosters....
   9. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 14, 2021 at 01:21 PM (#6005080)

It's perplexing that it took this long if LA was willing to pay that price. Was Turner really going to turn down 2/30 a couple of months ago?


Isn't it a lot more likely that Turner was asking for more (probably more years), and came down on his asking price with spring training right around the corner?
   10. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 14, 2021 at 01:42 PM (#6005083)

Isn't it a lot more likely that Turner was asking for more (probably more years), and came down on his asking price with spring training right around the corner?


Maybe, but that seems odd. How many 36 y.o.s. get more than 2 years? At 32 he got 4/64. In the COVID world, 2/34 seems about the most he should have expected.
   11. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 14, 2021 at 03:02 PM (#6005096)
How many free agents have opening asks that are that rational?
   12. JRVJ Posted: February 14, 2021 at 03:33 PM (#6005100)
8, neither Bauer nor Turner have options.

So the question still applies if either one has a short-term injury.
   13. Tom Goes to the Ballpark Posted: February 14, 2021 at 04:56 PM (#6005109)
They probably won’t officially sign Turner until they move Caleb Ferguson to the 60 day IL.
   14. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: February 14, 2021 at 05:34 PM (#6005113)
Turner was a very late bloomer. He was drafted by the Reds and dealt to the O's as a part of a deal for Ramon Hernandez (remember him?). He was then waived by the O's, and selected by the Mets. Ended up the Dodgers as a FA. Didn't get full-time playing time until 26. Was replacement level until 29. And then suddenly hits 340 and starts playing at an all-star level through his 30s. Obviously that kind of development is unusual. I wonder (but don't know how to check) just how unusual it is.
   15. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: February 14, 2021 at 05:40 PM (#6005115)
Obviously that kind of development is unusual. I wonder (but don't know how to check) just how unusual it is.


Wasn't Turner one of the first launch angle disciples? I could be misremembering, but I thought he totally revamped his swing in his late 20's and that lead to most of the improvement?
   16. bfan Posted: February 14, 2021 at 07:21 PM (#6005121)
This is a tremendous relief to us all. I was really worried the Dodgers wouldn’t project as a 115 win team.
   17. flournoy Posted: February 14, 2021 at 08:16 PM (#6005128)
Melvin Mora had a similar early career path to Turner's. He didn't maintain a high-level bat as long as Turner has, though.
   18. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: February 14, 2021 at 08:19 PM (#6005129)
Ended up the Dodgers as a FA.


I'd add that the Mets non-tendered him and no team offered a guaranteed contract. He was given an NRI to spring training with the Dodgers and the rest, as they say, is history.
   19. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: February 14, 2021 at 09:50 PM (#6005137)
Wasn't Turner one of the first launch angle disciples? I could be misremembering, but I thought he totally revamped his swing in his late 20's and that lead to most of the improvement?


Yes, there is a chapter on Turner in “The MVP Machine”
   20. Adam Starblind Posted: February 14, 2021 at 10:38 PM (#6005140)
He also features in “Swing Kings,” which I highly recommend.
   21. Walt Davis Posted: February 15, 2021 at 04:14 PM (#6005230)
Josh Donaldson has a similar career. Tony Phillips got a lot more PT young and was pretty good but clearly a different player at 30. Brian Giles became Giles at 28. Ibanez was pretty terrible until 29. Ortiz, Cruz, even Edgar late-bloomers
   22. Adam Starblind Posted: February 15, 2021 at 06:04 PM (#6005241)
Donaldson is also one of the original launch angle guys.
   23. Tom Goes to the Ballpark Posted: February 15, 2021 at 06:38 PM (#6005247)
Turner and JD Martinez both changed their swing under the instruction of Craig Wollenbrock in LA before the 2014 season and then they both immediately started hitting the crap out of the ball.
   24. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: February 15, 2021 at 08:13 PM (#6005259)
Jose Bautista is another guy who suddenly put it together at 29 or 30.
   25. phredbird Posted: February 15, 2021 at 10:08 PM (#6005270)

i thought it was weird that it took this long.

turner is from cali and likes playing for the dodgers.

could he have given the team a break and told them to sew up bauer or whoever they really wanted to fill out the roster and then come talk to him?

does that make #5 seem the likely explanation?
   26. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: February 15, 2021 at 10:54 PM (#6005279)
Turner was a very late bloomer. He was drafted by the Reds and dealt to the O's as a part of a deal for Ramon Hernandez (remember him?). He was then waived by the O's, and selected by the Mets. Ended up the Dodgers as a FA. Didn't get full-time playing time until 26. Was replacement level until 29. And then suddenly hits 340 and starts playing at an all-star level through his 30s. Obviously that kind of development is unusual. I wonder (but don't know how to check) just how unusual it is.


He's the new Melvin Mora.
   27. sunday silence (again) Posted: February 16, 2021 at 09:32 AM (#6005307)
triple post, sorry the interface is messing up
   28. sunday silence (again) Posted: February 16, 2021 at 09:34 AM (#6005308)
I remember at one pt. BIll James made a big deal out of insisting that no one ever became a good hitter after age 25, I think it was. I forget which book it was. But it seemed really weird to me.

Back in the day, I came up with Jose Cardenal, Jose Cruz, and Roberto Clemente. Cruz made a 20 pt jumps in OPS+ at age 28 and remained at that higher level for most of his career. Cardenal jumped 30+ pts and also remained there. Clemente's big jump was at 26; 30 pts over his previous season and more like 45 if you count the previous two seasons. Of course he remained at that elite level for nearly all the rest of his career. Ron Cey made a 35 pt jump in OPS+ at age 27 and stayed there for 5+ seasons.

It's not impossible but the way James told it, it was like some immutable law of nature.

I was arguing this point on the radio with Phil Wood, a long time DC radio guy. And he said Cardenal moved to Wrigley which is true. We didnt know about OPS+ then which would factor that out. Cruz moved from Busch to the Astrodome, maybe he benefitted from astroturf hits or smoething...
   29. sunday silence (again) Posted: February 16, 2021 at 09:34 AM (#6005309)
double post..

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