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Sources: Marlins, OF Corey Dickerson reach 2-year, $17.5 million deal

The Miami Marlins have reached an agreement with free agent outfielder Corey Dickerson on a $17.5 million, two-year contract, sources have confirmed to ESPN.

MLB Network first reported on the deal between the sides.

The 30-year-old Dickerson hit .304 with 12 homers and 59 RBIs last season for the Pittsburgh Pirates and Philadelphia Phillies, who acquired him on July 31. Dickerson had 42 extra-base hits and a .565 slugging percentage.

So, how long before they trade him for nothing much?


QLE Posted: December 29, 2019 at 12:43 AM | 11 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: corey dickerson, hot stove, marlins

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   1. Walt Davis Posted: December 29, 2019 at 08:34 PM (#5911634)
Steamer goes for 1.1 WAR; a simple bWAR Marcel puts him around 2; a simple fWAR Marcel puts him around 1.8. Steamer seems to come in pretty pessimistic on this sort of player -- which doesn't mean they're wrong ... or since I didn't apply an age penalty (he turns 30), maybe the age penalty is much bigger than I realize, bring him down to 1.5 or 1.3 maybe. But he still hit as well or better as anybody on the Marlins last year so his bat is probably valuable enough to them that this deal is worth it.
   2. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 29, 2019 at 09:10 PM (#5911642)
Well, this will please the contingent who thinks that teams should totally pay FA prices for that all-important 58th win.
   3. Buck Coats Posted: December 29, 2019 at 11:28 PM (#5911655)
Of course, why wouldn't we be pleased to see teams trying to get better?
   4. Walt Davis Posted: December 30, 2019 at 12:12 AM (#5911662)
And, if we're going to have this debate again, there's really nothing else the Marlins can do with this $8 M except put it in the owners' pockets. Well, OK, there's quite possibly a better player than Dickerson available for $8 or they could take this $8 and another $8 and maybe get an actual good player but there's really nothing they can do with this $8 other than spend it on players or put it in the owners' pockets. Keeping this $8 won't increase what they can spend in the draft or internationally, they only have 4 arb-eligible players estimated to make about $12 M collectively, and heck sweet ol' Rob Manfred is even trying to reduce their burdensome support of the minors.

This brings their total payroll to about $50 M with $22 M of that being spent on Wei-Yin Chen.
   5. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 30, 2019 at 09:29 AM (#5911689)
Well, this will please the contingent who thinks that teams should totally pay FA prices for that all-important 58th win.

Dickerson was one of the few players that I had fun watching on a crap-ass Pirates team last year, and I'm sure Miami fans will have fun watching him on a crap-ass Marlins team this year, too.

Seems like a pretty good signing for a very reasonable price.
   6. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 30, 2019 at 12:18 PM (#5911735)
Dickerson was one of the few players that I had fun watching on a crap-ass Pirates team last year, and I'm sure Miami fans will have fun watching him on a crap-ass Marlins team this year, too.
"I guess we have to have someone for Bobble-Head Day."
   7. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 30, 2019 at 12:25 PM (#5911738)
This brings their total payroll to about $50 M with $22 M of that being spent on Wei-Yin Chen.

This signing is likely just an effort to maintain some sort of non-ludicrous payroll, so they have a better chance fighting off the inevitable MLBPA grievance.
   8. McCoy Posted: December 30, 2019 at 12:44 PM (#5911743)
They could always donate the 8 million to the Miami community. That would probably lead to more on field wins than using it to do this will
   9. Howie Menckel Posted: December 30, 2019 at 07:05 PM (#5911814)
CDick (even Patrick Ewing winces at that rapper name-shortening) put up a 131 OPS+ in 279 PA in an injury-riddled 2019 - only 12 full-time NLers did better.

and that following two years of full-time 118s. career 119 OPS+.

lefty batter, age 30. how many teams have 3 OFs who are better hitters than him?

   10. Walt Davis Posted: December 30, 2019 at 11:47 PM (#5911888)
#9: Not many. But there are other aspects than hitting. But sure if either that +16 Rfield he's credited with two years ago is right or the -6 he got last year in less than half a season is wrong, then he's a pretty good player ... assuming he's healthy (he didn't play the last 3 weeks of the season ... he also decided to stop taking walks with 3 in 133 PA.) As I noted, Steamer (for whatever reason) projects him to just 1.1 WAR in a full season, predicting pretty much a full offensive drop to average.

Anyway, if the Marlins scored a 2.5 WAR player for 2/$16 then (1) good for them but (2) why wasn't a competing team willing to beat this offer? Possibly most of the other teams agree with Steamer and think he's now a lumbering 1-WAR corner OF or at least think that's likely enough they weren't willing to go a 2nd year. Or they messed up. Or maybe whatever kept him out at the end of last season is scary. But I agree that, to my knowledge, there's no reason to expect the bat to drop off the table.
   11. bbmck Posted: December 31, 2019 at 12:51 AM (#5911894)
The most recent season that each franchise had at least two players with 50+ games in LF and/or RF and 120+ OPS+ (how many times they have done it in the expansion era):

2019 NYM (11): Michael Conforto, JD Davis and Jeff McNeil
2019 LAD (18): Cody Bellinger and Joc Pederson
2019 HOU (13): Michael Brantley and George Springer
2019 NYY (13): Aaron Judge and Mike Tauchman
2018 BOS (20): Andrew Benintendi and Mookie Betts

2018 WSN (11): Bryce Harper and Juan Soto
2017 DET (15): JD Martinez and Justin Upton
2017 MIA (8): Marcell Ozuna and Giancarlo Stanton
2016 OAK (12): Khris Davis and Josh Reddick
2015 STL (10): Matt Holliday and Stephen Piscotty

2015 MIL (9): Ryan Braun and Khris Davis
2014 SFG (14): Mike Morse and Hunter Pence
2014 TOR (6): Jose Bautista and Melky Cabrera
2013 SDP (11): Carlos Quentin and Will Venable
2013 COL (7): Michael Cuddyer and Carlos Gonzalez

2012 CIN (12): Jay Bruce and Ryan Ludwick
2012 TEX (12): Josh Hamilton and David Murphy
2012 LAA (11): Torii Hunter, Mike Trout and Mark Trumbo
2011 TBR (2): Desmond Jennings and Matthew Joyce
2009 PHI (15): Raul Ibanez and Jayson Werth

2008 PIT (23): Jason Bay and Xavier Nady
2008 CHW (3): Jermaine Dye and Carlos Quentin
2003 ATL (14): Chipper Jones and Gary Sheffield
2002 MIN (10): Jacque Jones and Bobby Kielty
2001 CLE (12): Marty Cordova and Juan Gonzalez

2001 CHC (9): Sammy Sosa and Rondell White
1989 BAL (15): Phil Bradley and Joe Orsulak
1989 KCR (2): Jim Eisenreich, Bo Jackson and Danny Tartabull
1986 SEA (2): Phil Bradley and Danny Tartabull
Never: ARI

1344 player seasons matching the criteria in the expansion era. 196 players did it once (so far) ranging from Gerald Williams and Miguel Dilone with 82 career OPS+ to Mike Trout 176 OPS+. Hall of Famers Duke Snider, Mickey Mantle, Orlando Cabrera, Stan Musial and Willie McCovey did it once each in the expansion era.

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