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Sources: Mets had preliminary extension talks with Jacob deGrom—here’s what it means

As we focused on the Mets’ contract talks with Francisco Lindor, Michael Conforto and even Noah Syndergaard, the team had still another idea: It was quietly reaching out to its biggest star, Jacob deGrom, about a new deal.

According to multiple sources with knowledge of the situation, the Mets and deGrom this spring engaged in preliminary discussions on a contract extension. Talks did not progress and are not expected to resume this season. Repeat: This is a dead issue for now.

So why is the information meaningful? Because it shows that the Mets are at least mindful of attempting to head off deGrom’s opt out after the 2022 season, and keep him with the team for the remainder of his career. This is worth bookmarking for next offseason….

Earlier this spring, deGrom answered questions about his opt out and the possibility of remaining with the Mets for his entire career.

“The goal is to go out there and perform and then when that time comes, make that decision,” deGrom said. “But one thing I do think is really, really, really cool is whenever somebody spends their entire career with one team. You don’t see it happen a whole lot anymore. So it’s definitely something that I’ve thought about, and we just have to see when that time comes.”

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 04, 2021 at 09:34 PM | 6 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Walt Davis Posted: April 05, 2021 at 06:31 PM (#6011788)
Where are the self-immolating Mets' fans? Anyway, I'll bite.

It's an awful lot of money already -- $35.5 M this year and next then, if he doesn't opt out, $32.5 M in 2023 and a $32.5 M team option on 2024 (with no buyout listed at b-r). He'll be 36 in 2024. Hard to suggest they should move early on a contract like that. But I can see (a) add $3 M to 2023; (b) guarantee 2024 and add $3 M; (c) the team option gets moved to 2025, add a courtesy buyout of $5 M. That guarantees him through age 36 with at 3/$110 for 2022-24 (vs. 1/$35.5 or 2/$68). That would push him a smidgen past Cole's $36 AAV. If he wants super numbers (say $40 AAV) then use deferrals to bring the NPV back towards 3/$110.

Rather hilariously, Cole has an opt out after 2024; the Yanks can void that option by adding a 10th year at $36. The contract already takes him through age 38. I suppose that might be a potential goal for deGrom to get guaranteed through age 38 like Cole. At a much lower AAV sure but I thought the Cole contract was kinda nuts and, while I'd rather gamble on deGrom, I'd stick with my already guaranteed age 33-34, good chance at having his age 35 and than age 36 if I want rather than guarantee something like 5/$180 for ages 34-38.
   2. Tom Goes to the Ballpark Posted: April 05, 2021 at 07:01 PM (#6011792)
If he stays healthy and productive (a big if) plenty of teams will convince themselves that he has relatively few miles on the odometer. I don’t see much benefit to deGrom unless the Mets are guaranteeing the option year and tacking on two full price years at the end.
   3. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: April 05, 2021 at 08:06 PM (#6011808)
one thing I do think is really, really, really cool is whenever somebody spends their entire career with one team. You don’t see it happen a whole lot anymore.

People say this, but is it true? I suspect that it's not. Guys didn't leave as FA in the reserve clause days, but teams did sell players all the time. Especially Connie Mack. And of course players have been spending their twilight years with the A's since the days of Nap Lajoie. Anybody have a way to check this? Can you do a PI search for at least 10 year careers, max one team and then sort by year?
   4. Lowry Seasoning Salt Posted: April 05, 2021 at 08:15 PM (#6011812)
Ziggy, MLB's site has an active, short list

10 Players Who Have Longest Tenure With 1 Club

and Wikipedia has an all-time list

List of Major League Baseball Players Who Spent Their Entire Career With One Franchise

Edit: The Wikipedia list is only for former players—180 total—so doesn't include current guys like Molina, Gardner, or others apt to make the list (e.g., Ryan Braun).
   5. Walt Davis Posted: April 05, 2021 at 09:03 PM (#6011828)
#3 ... yeah, it didn't happen a lot even in the good ol' days and frequently only in cases where a guy got hurt early or retired early or whatever (Mantle, DiMaggio, Koufax e.g.). Just look at the top WAR guys -- among the top 10, only Walter Johnson spent his career with one team. You do better in the next 10 with Musial, Ted Williams, Gehrig and Ott. Mantle and Schmidt in the next 10; Yaz, Ripken and maybe Anson in the next 10; then Kaline, Gibson, Brett. So that's 13 of the top 50 in the game and those are obviously the guys you most want to hold onto (in the pre-FA era especially).

That said, the ones who did it were nearly all pre-FA and some early FA guys. Chipper sits at #51 so he missed our list by a smidgen; Bagwell 63, Jeter 92 and Larkin 97 are other modern examples. So that's just 4 of the 30 post-FA guys in the top 100 so I suppose that is less likely than before.

Many of these are guys who spent just a bit of time with another team at the beginning/end of their career. I mention the Cubs a good bit -- Hartnett, Chance, Sandberg, Santo are all guys who barely played for other teams; add Banks at SS and that would be one hell of an all-time, one-team IF ... with Stan Hack to spare.

Anyway, if Mays and Aaron can get traded in (mainly) nostalgia/marketing trades, it can happen to anybody. I suppose franchises rarely moving now gets rid of that sort of thing. Frank Chance was a player-manager thing ... he was essentially retired as a player at that point and I assume some of the other old-timers were too ... and that's something we haven't seen in a good while either.

EDIT: deGrom is the kind of guy it happens with. A late bloomer, awesome peak, his career might only be 12-13 years and he may never get the chance to decline. There are lots of guys who spent, say, ages 23-35 with one team. A criterion like "minimum 10 full seasons with one team" would likely give us a more accurate list of "franchise icons."
   6. Lowry Seasoning Salt Posted: April 05, 2021 at 09:18 PM (#6011834)
...Bagwell 63, Jeter 92 and Larkin 97 are other modern examples. So that's just 4 of the 30 post-FA guys in the top 100 so I suppose that is less likely than before.

When I counted down the Wiki list, I got about 50 guys (EDIT: 60) as post-FA. To me, guys like Brett ('73) or Yount ('74) are much more post-FA than pre-FA even if their careers began pre-FA. There were a decent handful I counted that way.

Edit: Sorting the Wiki list by year, I would count everyone after J.R. Richard (1970–80) as post-FA.

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