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Sources: MLB commissioner warns of shutdown if players don’t do better job of managing coronavirus

Major League Baseball commissioner Rob Manfred told MLB Players Association executive director Tony Clark on Friday that if the sport doesn’t do a better job of managing the coronavirus, it could shut down for the season, sources familiar with the conversation told ESPN.

The league and players recognize the coming days are a critical juncture following an outbreak on the Miami Marlins in which 18 players and two coaches have tested positive for COVID-19. Two positive tests by St. Louis Cardinals players on Friday exacerbated concerns inside the sport about the presence of the coronavirus and whether players are following MLB’s protocols are being followed properly to prevent outbreaks similar to Miami’s.

Should another outbreak materialize, Manfred, who has the power to shut the season down, could move in that direction. Multiple players briefed on the call fear that season could be shut down as soon as Monday if positive tests jump or if players continue not to strictly abide by the league’s protocols.

 

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   1. The Duke Posted: July 31, 2020 at 06:28 PM (#5967214)
Please don’t shut down - just figure it out. 2021 will be the same so if they can t figure it out now, then next season is in jeopardy too
   2. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: July 31, 2020 at 06:31 PM (#5967215)
Why? The entire country is moving in fits and starts. Just play as many games as possible. Postpone them, modify the schedule, whatever.

   3. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: July 31, 2020 at 06:35 PM (#5967217)
Broadcasts that have shown players high-fiving, spitting and not wearing masks have left government officials wondering how seriously players are taking the protocols, sources said.
Hint: not seriously at all.
   4. Mayor Blomberg Posted: July 31, 2020 at 06:51 PM (#5967219)
Broadcasts that have shown players citizens high-fiving, spitting and not wearing masks have left government officials wondering how seriously players governments are taking the protocols, sources said.


There.
   5. Howie Menckel Posted: July 31, 2020 at 07:14 PM (#5967222)
I have made the observation before, from some experience, that baseball players tend to be the dumbest of all professional athletes - whether it's team or individual sports.

this past week hasn't exactly weakened my resolve.
   6. Walt Davis Posted: July 31, 2020 at 07:22 PM (#5967225)
EDIT: Wrong thread ... not that there was a right thread.
   7. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: July 31, 2020 at 07:35 PM (#5967229)
I wonder if strippers now wear masks and nothing else. Or maybe it’s the last thing they take off as the big reveal.
   8. Mike Webber Posted: July 31, 2020 at 07:45 PM (#5967231)
I have made the observation before, from some experience, that baseball players tend to be the dumbest of all professional athletes - whether it's team or individual sports.


Serious question Howie, dumber than hockey players?
   9. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: July 31, 2020 at 08:34 PM (#5967237)
I have made the observation before, from some experience, that baseball players tend to be the dumbest of all professional athletes - whether it's team or individual sports.

The obvious result of many not getting a college education like the more cultured NFL and NBA players.
   10. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: July 31, 2020 at 08:38 PM (#5967238)
Strippers are indeed wearing masks.

(Well, I'm sure you can find some that aren't, but at least some are.)
   11. The Duke Posted: July 31, 2020 at 08:54 PM (#5967242)
And it makes sense, when you think about it. Coronavirus is transmitted through infected respiratory droplets. They're the little beads of water, mucus, and saliva that are produced when someone coughs, sneezes, or talks, something that's pretty hard to avoid when you're getting down and dirty. So, yeah, when you put up a wall — and install a glory hole — it could cut down on the transmission of those droplets from one sexual partner to another. It's pretty out there, but even Gabi Levi, a sexpert who runs the erotica site Shag Story, previously told Refinery29 that the "safest way to have sex [right now] is really through a glory hole."

This made me laugh. Life is quite absurd right now
   12. JRVJ Posted: July 31, 2020 at 08:57 PM (#5967243)
Passan's story is somewhat pro-MLB, but admittedly, at the field level, it's up to the darn players to act smart.

Not sure if THAT'S why there have been cases, but one would hope that players would actually start being SCARED about the virus, and act accordingly.
   13. Howie Menckel Posted: July 31, 2020 at 09:06 PM (#5967246)
Serious question Howie, dumber than hockey players?

yes.

I mean, the main difference was how vulgar so many MLB players were and how unfailingly nice NHL guys were.

interesting juxtaposition: the nastier the hockey "goon," the nicer they were in real life.

NHL players tended to be a lot more cosmopolitan, based on their upbringing and teammates - so a wisdom was gained there. also, half the battle is not thinking you are smarter than you actually are. that also broadly held for NFL and NBA players.
   14. Walt Davis Posted: July 31, 2020 at 11:08 PM (#5967266)
how unfailingly nice NHL guys were.

####### Canadians.
   15. Walt Davis Posted: July 31, 2020 at 11:15 PM (#5967268)
Anyway, 1st inning, Cubs out in the field, shot of dugout ... Ross has a mask on, a couple guys standing (too) near him, presumably coaches, have masks on ... guy sitting at back of dugout (wearing glasses, probably another coach), no mask.

Bottom 7th now, Cubs batting ... players in dugout (almost?) universally without masks? Why? I can imagine some reason -- ideally you minimize touching the outside of your mask and remove it as little as possible but, unless there's a shortage, surely MLB can afford heaps of disposable masks. But -- WHY ARE THEY IN THE DUGOUT TO BEGIN WITH? You've got an entire stadium to social distance in.

But far worse ... I just saw a ballpark ad for Guinness Blonde. Given it was a mlbtv ad break replay from last year, now we know why God smote us eith the virus. Can't blame the players for that one.
   16. Jeff Francoeur's OPS Posted: July 31, 2020 at 11:34 PM (#5967270)
If MLB bangs the shortened season short of mass positives across the league, then they were never really serious about any of this.

So far, some dipshits in Miami ###### up. The Phillies have no positives on the 30-man despite playing the Marlins all weekend. We've got a couple positives in STL. I don't get the sky-is-falling attitude.

This horseshit is going to still be here in Spring 2021, so are they not going to play a season next year either? Figure it out.
   17. Walt Davis Posted: August 01, 2020 at 12:44 AM (#5967284)
The "sky is falling attitude" derives from:

We are one week into a 60-game season and already 15 games (I believe) have been cancelled due to the virus. Also that MLB seemed to have no viable plan concerning what to do if a team has to shut down (with its domino effect of its opponents shutting down). Also that players don't seem to be taking this seriously. Blame it on the Marlins but the Cards reported two cases too.

Sure, if this is it, things are pretty rosy. But I think we all have to agree that it would be hard for it to have gone worse than it has so far.
   18. Jay Z Posted: August 01, 2020 at 01:51 AM (#5967289)
Walt, things can always get worse.

IMO a MLB player contracting COVID-19 from an opponent in a game, not only is unlikely, but it's down the list a ways. Far more likely to get it from a teammate or from off the field behavior.

I think there is going to be a lot of halting stuff going on for a while. I have not changed my behavior much except starting up with my GF again and a couple things for the kids. I'm already in hunkered down, long range survival mode. Sky is falling as far as MLB is concerned? This is the last baseball some people are ever going to see in their lives, because they'll die for various reasons. We should appreciate what we have.

I want to get out of hunkered down some day. I'll have eternity to be at rest some day. I'm alive now. I've always said there are trade-offs between physical health, economy, and emotional health. Hasn't changed.




   19. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: August 01, 2020 at 08:51 AM (#5967297)
Serious question Howie, dumber than hockey players?


I know it’s already been answered but hockey players as a diehard of both sports I’ll say that hockey players on the whole seem to be the smartest and nicest among all sports.
   20. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Fred Posted: August 01, 2020 at 09:12 AM (#5967300)
I reckon it makes sense. Other sports require much higher levels of cooperation and mental prep. Baseball just selects for the ability to hit or throw a baseball.
   21. JRVJ Posted: August 01, 2020 at 10:40 AM (#5967314)
18, Of course things can get much worse.

As of now, no MLB player or staffer has ended up in the hospital, in ICU care or passed away. And of those players who have had COVID-19, none seem to be suffering lingering injuries or problems.


And one would hope that the Marlins outbreak (dragging the Phillies into it), and now the Cardinals mini-outbreak will push players into being MUCH more concious of the risks of COVID-19. It's difficult to be in a bunker mentality 24/7, but they pretty much will have to be until the end of the season (and playoffs, for those who get into the playoffs).
   22. dejarouehg Posted: August 01, 2020 at 10:42 AM (#5967315)
I have made the observation before, from some experience, that baseball players tend to be the dumbest of all professional athletes - whether it's team or individual sports.


This depends upon your definition of stupid. Funny how it's OK to make blanket statements about some people these days, but not others.

If your statement is about straight up intelligence, then it is about as preposterously stupid a statement as there is.
   23. Astroenteritis Posted: August 01, 2020 at 12:14 PM (#5967329)
I've always been fascinated by the juxtaposition in hockey of the hyper masculine code of conduct on the ice versus how thoughtful and soft spoken many hockey players are in interviews and the like. I mean, you never see pleasantries between opponents on the ice, or a player helping another player up off the ice after a whistle, but hockey players come across as the nicest people.
   24. Howie Menckel Posted: August 01, 2020 at 12:21 PM (#5967332)
well, hockey players all line up to shake the hand of every opponent at the end of every playoff series (or at least they did for about a century pre-dating 2020).

and on rare occasions, they will join in a solemn, collective "stick tap" along the boards.

generally for the retirement of a longtime player or official, to indicate solidarity with a severely injured player, to show respect to a pre-game guest who has battled major adversity, and so forth.
   25. gef, talking mongoose & vexatious litigant Posted: August 01, 2020 at 12:29 PM (#5967335)
From a very quick glance at Google (not only am I lazy & easily distracted, but also I just woke up) CTE seems to be a problem in hockey as well, which makes sense. How it compares to the problem in the NFL, I have no idea.
   26. Ron J Posted: August 01, 2020 at 12:50 PM (#5967338)
#24 Ray Borque applauded Ron Tugnutt (opposition goalie) in a game where Tugnutt made 70 saves. Borque had 19 shots. Cam Neely (opposition player) told Tugnutt to take a bow.

You'll hear appreciative comments about opposing players after a game in basically every sport, but it's pretty rare to be acknowledged by the other team during the game.

   27. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: August 01, 2020 at 12:53 PM (#5967340)
The season will have fits and starts. Lots of postponements, cancellations, rescheduling. No team will play a full 60 games.

This is Murica 2020. Deal with it.

   28. bunyon Posted: August 01, 2020 at 01:28 PM (#5967352)
If it isn’t transmitted on the field, it’s a lot easier to keep going. They need to clamp down on off field risky behavior but the fact we don’t have a slew of philly positives is encouraging.

The danger is infra team and the players have control over that if they’re so inclined.
   29. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 01, 2020 at 02:40 PM (#5967370)
It's difficult to be in a bunker mentality 24/7, but they pretty much will have to be until the end of the season (and playoffs, for those who get into the playoffs).
Teams need to consider themselves in a movable bubble - minimize those allowed inside, and take precautions with even those limited contacts. Teams that rely on room service meals, or socially-distanced private dining rooms, will likely fare far better than teams with players determined to repeatedly sample the finest strip club dining.
   30. RJ in TO Posted: August 01, 2020 at 02:54 PM (#5967376)
From a very quick glance at Google (not only am I lazy & easily distracted, but also I just woke up) CTE seems to be a problem in hockey as well, which makes sense. How it compares to the problem in the NFL, I have no idea.
I'm sure the incidence is higher than in the general public, but most of the players who have been diagnosed (posthumously) with CTE have been goons. As fighting is slowly being phased out of the game, and awareness of concussions in general is growing, this should be less of an issue going forward.
   31. RJ in TO Posted: August 01, 2020 at 02:55 PM (#5967377)
And of those players who have had COVID-19, none seem to be suffering lingering injuries or problems.
Eduardo Rodriguez has been shut down due to a heart condition believed to be caused by COVID-19.
   32. Howie Menckel Posted: August 01, 2020 at 03:02 PM (#5967381)
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Comissioner Rob Manfred tells me “We are playing. The players need to be better, but I am not a quitter in general and there is no reason to quit now. We have had to be fluid, but it is manageable.”
   33. JRVJ Posted: August 01, 2020 at 03:09 PM (#5967385)
31, from what I've read, Eduardo Rodríguez' heart condition is temporary.

It will not be a lingering problem.
   34. Kiko Sakata Posted: August 01, 2020 at 03:15 PM (#5967386)
31, from what I've read, Eduardo Rodríguez' heart condition is temporary.

It will not be a lingering problem.


I apologize for nit-picking but "lingering" does not mean "permanent". It means continuing or currently on-going. My understanding is that Rodriguez has subsequently tested negative for COVID-19 - i.e., he no longer has it - but he still has the heart issue, which makes it a "lingering" problem. Time will tell if it turns out to be temporary.
   35. Mayor Blomberg Posted: August 01, 2020 at 03:24 PM (#5967387)
Myocarditis is relatively common and it is a disease that people live with. The nuts and bolts of the disease are that inflammation forms in and around the heart. This causes an irregular heartbeat, lingering shortness of breath, and various cardiac arrhythmias. Left untreated Myocarditis is a deadly disease. It can be treated, but that doesn’t mean the victim of this particular disease will ever be the same. A lifetime of medications can await the person diagnosed with this particular heart disease. There’s even the possibility that they may find themselves fitted for a Ventricular Assist Device and placed on the heart transplant list.

The above is the most serious of complications and hopefully, Rodríguez finds himself as one of the many who recover from myocarditis either on their own or through a course of short term medications. Unfortunately, the reality is that viral acquired myocarditis often leads to the worst possible outcomes. More than that, coronavirus-induced myocarditis study is still in its infancy and thus not much has been extrapolated about how that will affect that particular victim of the disease. I’m not a doctor, making a long term prognosis for someone afflicted with Coronavirus induced Myocarditis is well beyond my scope as a Paramedic. Still, the literature makes it clear that we don’t know enough about the disease pathway of viral myocarditis caused by coronavirus to make any assumptions one way or the other.


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   36. JRVJ Posted: August 01, 2020 at 04:03 PM (#5967396)
34,
The current plan for Rodriguez entails him taking the week off before undergoing another MRI. At that point, doctors will determine if the inflammation has subsided and he can resume activity. Otherwise, Rodriguez may not get his wish of pitching in a game anytime soon.


Story from July 27th, , so while Rodríguez may be out for a bit more than the regular MLB player who has COVID, the description of his myocarditis certainly does not hint that it is anything particularly long.

So yes, you probably are nit-picking.
   37. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 01, 2020 at 05:10 PM (#5967408)
An update on Rodriguez - Out For The Season:
Red Sox lefty Eduardo Rodriguez has been shut down for the 2020 season as a result of the myocarditis he has experienced following a bout with COVID-19, according to Alex Speier of the Boston Globe. While the Red Sox are confident that Rodriguez will make a full recovery in the long term, his heart issues have persisted and will prevent him from pitching this season.
Red Sox seem to think he’ll still make a full recovery, so that part is encouraging.
   38. JRVJ Posted: August 01, 2020 at 05:17 PM (#5967409)
37, Thank you.

I stand partly corrected.
   39. Mayor Blomberg Posted: August 01, 2020 at 05:22 PM (#5967412)
36, that is simply not true; it hints that we don't know.

Evidenced-based recommendations for return-to-play guidelines are currently limited and clearly subject to change as further data are obtained in concert with improved COVID-19 case identification. Acknowledging these imperfections, our recommendations are exclusive to cardiovascular considerations and concomitant pulmonary limitations also require consideration. The duration of illness has proved critical in the clinical course of patients infected with COVID-19, with increased risk of clinical deterioration after the first week of symptoms. As such, we recommend an emphasis on the temporal progression of confirmed infection and have incorporated time-based benchmarks in our recommendations
   40. Mayor Blomberg Posted: August 01, 2020 at 06:01 PM (#5967424)
And Kiko is absolutely correct about the definition of lingering.
   41. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: August 01, 2020 at 06:27 PM (#5967435)
For the "COVID deniers" who argue that COVID isn't that big a deal, because the morbidity rate is likely very low, Eduardo Rodriguez provides one of the best counterarguments yet. Here's a guy in his 20s who is a professional athlete, and is on the cusp of making a lot of money. Now, he is missing the 2020 season with a heart condition that has a risk of long-term effects. There are a lot of COVID-related outcomes between "asymptomatic" and "death".
   42. Walt Davis Posted: August 02, 2020 at 06:52 AM (#5967492)
Doctors also told Rodriguez that 10 to 20 percent of patients diagnosed with COVID-19 are also diagnosed with myocarditis.

Rodriguez said he is no longer feeling any coronavirus symptoms after it had left him feeling "100 years old."



   43. baxter Posted: August 02, 2020 at 12:36 PM (#5967514)
Research reveals heart complications in COVID-19 patients

Regarding COVID and myocarditis

Research reveals heart complications in COVID-19 patients

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/07/research-reveals-heart-complications-covid-19-patients

Actual article:

Outcomes of Cardiovascular Magnetic Resonance Imaging in Patients Recently Recovered From Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2768916

When I had first read a news account of the study, it mentioned there were no controls, which the excerpt seemed to say existed; actual study does not appear to mention them. If a person otherwise were healthy, what reason would exist to take a cardiac MRI?

Second summary article:

COVID-19 linked to heart damage in healthy people, small study suggests

https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-causes-heart-damage-healthy-people.html
   44. phredbird Posted: August 02, 2020 at 04:22 PM (#5967553)

guess i'm late to the party ...

cards season about to go down the drain.

last night i was reduced to watching the padres.

dodgers games are blacked out in palm springs.

and now we have wildfires.

i'm going back to bed.
   45. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: August 02, 2020 at 05:26 PM (#5967564)
and now we have wildfires.


Here in Florida were are having a hurricane. It is the 9th named storm and we are still over a month away from the historical peak of the season.
   46. Ron J Posted: August 02, 2020 at 05:34 PM (#5967566)
We got a tornado watch. Didn't actually happen but Ottawa isn't very well prepared for a tornado.
   47. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: August 02, 2020 at 06:02 PM (#5967571)
I've always been fascinated by the juxtaposition in hockey of the hyper masculine code of conduct on the ice versus how thoughtful and soft spoken many hockey players are in interviews and the like.

As a former sportscaster, can confirm. Hockey players have always been my favourite interview subjects. (Of course, it's easy to see how much I love hockey, considering the way I spell "favourite".)

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