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Sunday, August 10, 2008

SportTicker: White Sox trade for [Horacio] Ramirez, to place Contreras on DL

Fresh off a 6-2 loss to the Boston Red Sox that left them one-half game behind the Minnesota Twins in the American League Central Division, the Chicago White Sox are making a flurry of roster moves they hope will vault them back to the top.

The White Sox on Saturday optioned third baseman Josh Fields to Class AAA Charlotte and traded minor league outfielder Paulo Orlando to the Kansas City Royals for veteran lefthander Horacio Ramirez.

Ramirez is expected to take the roster spot of righthander Jose Contreras, who will be placed on the disabled list Sunday after suffering a ruptured Achilles tendon in the second inning of Saturday’s loss.

MLB.com: White Sox acquire Horacio Ramirez

NTNgod Posted: August 10, 2008 at 04:13 AM | 41 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. The George Sherrill Selection Posted: August 10, 2008 at 04:18 AM (#2897100)
Why in God's name would they want HoRam?
   2. greenback needs a ride, not ammo Posted: August 10, 2008 at 04:22 AM (#2897103)
Livan Hernandez wasn't available?
   3. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: August 10, 2008 at 04:28 AM (#2897108)
Hahahahahahahahahahaha....wait...wait....hahahahahahahahaha!

HoRam to fix a problem? Hahahahahahaha.
   4. My guest will be Jermaine Allensworth Posted: August 10, 2008 at 04:35 AM (#2897113)
Orlando's a nobody. It's not costing them anything.
   5. Brandon in MO (Yunitility Infielder) Posted: August 10, 2008 at 04:35 AM (#2897114)
"Pitching is the currently of baseball, Toolsy outielders are the crack of baseball"
- Dayton Moore

Seriously, a guy with a .308 OBP in High A?
   6. NTNgod Posted: August 10, 2008 at 04:37 AM (#2897116)
It's Horacio Ramirez. What were you expecting for a return?
   7. 1k5v3L Posted: August 10, 2008 at 04:39 AM (#2897118)
Livan Hernandez wasn't available?
I believe the Rockies claimed him off waivers. Must've gotten lost in the Favre trade brouhaha
   8. Brandon in MO (Yunitility Infielder) Posted: August 10, 2008 at 04:41 AM (#2897120)
It's Horacio Ramirez. What were you expecting for a return?


A guy with a .308 OBP in double A, or a reliever with an ERA of 5 or more
   9. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: August 10, 2008 at 04:55 AM (#2897125)
Orlando's a nobody. It's not costing them anything.

Oh it will cost them. Every time he takes the mound.
   10. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: August 10, 2008 at 04:58 AM (#2897130)
The Mets have Claudio Vargas sitting in AAA. Would the White Sox be interested in him at all?
   11. Brandon in MO (Yunitility Infielder) Posted: August 10, 2008 at 05:03 AM (#2897136)
Your new Wilmington Blue Rocks outfield

Jarrod Dyson: 37 steals in 46 tries, .251/.332/.275
Derrick Robinson: 54 steals in 68 tries, .250/.316/.325
Paulo Orlando: 28 steals in 37 tries, .264/.310/.412

The Running Rocks have 44 triples, 47 home runs, and 229 stolen bases so far in 2008.

Don't ask who will play right field in this arrangement. Joseph Dickerson was the right fielder until a DL stint, and he's 24 for 38 in stealing. Dickerson actually hits the ball well too, so they might want to promote him soon.
   12. The George Sherrill Selection Posted: August 10, 2008 at 05:15 AM (#2897139)
Dude, if you wanted a pitcher, the Ms would have been more than happy to provide you with World Series Winner Jarrod Washburn.
   13. frannyzoo Posted: August 10, 2008 at 05:28 AM (#2897143)
and even happier to send you Carlos Silva and a large bag of doughnuts to keep him happy for an hour or so.
   14. The George Sherrill Selection Posted: August 10, 2008 at 05:37 AM (#2897150)
And who knows the AL Central like Silva? Nobody, my dear friends. Nobody.

Washburn + Silva = lineup of DEATH.
   15. saltfarmer Posted: August 10, 2008 at 06:14 AM (#2897180)
Before laughing too hard, think about what Don Cooper was able to do w/ Matt Thornton, Jenks, et al. Besides, this may just be a short-term fix. As a Sox fan, I like the speed with which Kenny reacted to tonight's awful injury.
   16. Fred C. Dobbs Posted: August 10, 2008 at 06:28 AM (#2897197)
Is David Wells too fat to answer the telephone?
   17. Brandon in MO (Yunitility Infielder) Posted: August 10, 2008 at 06:28 AM (#2897198)
So, did Ehren Wassermann go to the Kelly Wunsch school of pitching? because that delivery..
   18. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: August 10, 2008 at 06:33 AM (#2897199)
Kip Wells just got released by Colorado.
   19. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: August 10, 2008 at 07:07 AM (#2897209)
If HoRam is the answer...
   20. JuanGone..except1game Posted: August 10, 2008 at 07:09 AM (#2897211)
Where the hell is the market for Paul Byrd? C'mon crappy GM's of the world, russle up a Low A pitching prospect.
   21. Jeff K. Posted: August 10, 2008 at 07:14 AM (#2897212)
The Running Rocks have 44 triples, 47 home runs,

I know minor league stats are on BBRef now, is it possible to use PI to see when the last time an affiliated club finished with more triples than homers? I have to believe that with a couple of more balls bouncing into the right-field corner, those guys are chasing a seriously old record.
   22. Brandon in MO (Yunitility Infielder) Posted: August 10, 2008 at 07:17 AM (#2897214)
What are the odds that HoRam hits a Royal or two this week? Ramirez hit Jermaine Dye twice this year.

Just wait for Ramirez to hit Olivo and start a 35 person brawl.
   23. Jeff K. Posted: August 10, 2008 at 07:28 AM (#2897220)
Just wait for Ramirez to hit Olivo and start a 35 person brawl.

Harder to do with the three men that it takes to fill Contreras' uniform all on the DL...
   24. The George Sherrill Selection Posted: August 10, 2008 at 07:48 AM (#2897226)
John Halama is tanned, rested, and ready! Just a short trip from Buffalo, and he is yours.
   25. VegasRobb Posted: August 10, 2008 at 10:35 AM (#2897234)
Seems like Kip Wells should be getting a phone call from the White Sox. The Rox are already on the hook for most of his salary.
   26. Spahn Insane Posted: August 10, 2008 at 11:31 AM (#2897239)
Seems like Kip Wells should be getting a phone call from the White Sox.

Then they can flip him for Todd Ritchie.
   27. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: August 10, 2008 at 12:42 PM (#2897248)
I know minor league stats are on BBRef now, is it possible to use PI to see when the last time an affiliated club finished with more triples than homers? I have to believe that with a couple of more balls bouncing into the right-field corner, those guys are chasing a seriously old record.


Not that old. The Astros did it in 1979.
   28. salvomania Posted: August 10, 2008 at 02:53 PM (#2897281)
Man, those Cardinals' teams for essentially my entire childhood into adulthood just did not hit homers. From 1971 through 1992 they once hit 101 homers, once hit 100, and were under 100 every other year, often the only team in the league to do so.

They hit 58 homers in 1986. They hit 68 in 1991. Even when Jack Clark was hitting 35 homers they still only hit 94. They had years when the leader had 13 (Hector Cruz) or 11 (Todd Zeile).

No wonder a whole generation of St. Louisans still longs for the days of Whiteyball, which for them equated to 3 pennants via stolen bases, bunts and hit-and-runs.
   29. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: August 10, 2008 at 03:36 PM (#2897303)
The 79 Astros' team leader was Jose Cruz with 9. Their DP combo combined for 15 triples and 0 HR.
   30. Boots Day Posted: August 10, 2008 at 03:41 PM (#2897309)
And they didn't even have Roger Metzger any more. Metzger had three different seasons where he hit more triples than doubles.
   31. tribefan Posted: August 10, 2008 at 04:03 PM (#2897325)
Dude, if you wanted a pitcher, the Ms would have been more than happy to provide you with World Series Winner Jarrod Washburn.

For what it's worth, on Sportscenter this morning Buster Olney said that Washburn should be on the waiver wire today and Chicago will claim him.
   32. Eraser-X is emphatically dominating teh site!!! Posted: August 10, 2008 at 04:14 PM (#2897332)
The Sox have had a number of hits to their pitching depth. It's not ridiculous for them to pick up a couple of quality arms if they can avoid giving up anything of value.

Remember: Adding some tiny marginal value is worthwhile whether it's a mild upgrade on a star or an upgrade of a few bullpen innings.
   33. Billy B Posted: August 10, 2008 at 06:14 PM (#2897417)
Seems a little bit of an over-reaction to picking up a reliever with a 2.63 GB rate and an opponent OPS under .600 in exchange for an A ball OF who cannot hit and to replace a reliever who has given up 20 runs in his last 12 appearances. It is an upgrade over Logan, which may well matter given that they are .5 out.
   34. Stately, Plump Buck Mulligan Posted: August 11, 2008 at 12:51 AM (#2897775)
The Contreras injury really makes me wonder what in the world Williams was thinking in trading for Griffey. Especially as Konerko finally seems to be hitting a bit. I guess Washburn would be OK -- he's been fine in June and July -- but what happens in '09? You've got six starters under contract (this sounds familiar, doesn't it?). One of Danks-Buehrle-Vazquez-Contreras-Floyd-Washburn has to go (my money is on Floyd or Vazquez, or maybe Contreras if Ozzie is sufficiently PO'd about the injury cover-up).

The White Sox really need to make some hay this week, with Danks on the mound tomorrow, KC coming into town Tuesday, and the Twins playing the Yankees.
   35. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: August 11, 2008 at 01:01 AM (#2897796)
Or, as I thought of this news: Horacio Ramirez still in baseball, traded for by White Sox
   36. Eraser-X is emphatically dominating teh site!!! Posted: August 11, 2008 at 01:04 AM (#2897805)
How does the Contreras injury have anything to do with trading for Griffey?

Also, Williams doesn't seem to have much trouble putting together a rotation each year. In fact, I'd say he's probably the best in the business at it.

This year:
Buerhlerhlrere: Minors
Danks: Traded McCarthy
Contreras: Traded Loaiza
Floyd: Traded Garcia
Vazquez: Traded Chris Young
   37. Stately, Plump Buck Mulligan Posted: August 11, 2008 at 01:37 AM (#2897860)
How does the Contreras injury have anything to do with trading for Griffey?


At the time of the deadline, Williams knew that Contreras was hurt, and he knew that Clayton Richard wasn't getting the job done as 5th starter. So, instead of spending his time and energy filling a need, he spent his time and energy getting a famous backup CF who may or may not be competent to play CF.
   38. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: August 11, 2008 at 01:55 AM (#2897894)
At the time of the deadline, Williams knew that Contreras was hurt, and he knew that Clayton Richard wasn't getting the job done as 5th starter.
What? Contreras got hurt on Saturday.
   39. CWS Keith plans to [omitted] at [omitted] Posted: August 11, 2008 at 01:56 AM (#2897895)

At the time of the deadline, Williams knew that Contreras was hurt, and he knew that Clayton Richard wasn't getting the job done as 5th starter. So, instead of spending his time and energy filling a need, he spent his time and energy getting a famous backup CF who may or may not be competent to play CF.


Contreras' old injury and his new injury have nothing to do with each other. As such, I don't think it's fair to bash Williams for not having the foresight to know Contreras' achilles would snap while trying to cover first.

And anyways, who should Williams have tried to acquire and what were the Sox supposed to give up? At the moment, the Sox farm system is pretty much gutted. Fields and Poreda are the only trading chips, and even those two aren't that great. Even with that, however, the options that I heard rumored weren't terribly appealing (Duchscherer, Burnett) -- certainly better than what the Sox have, but probably not worth what they were going to command in prospects.

The Sox are what they are at this point -- a team that's right on par with Minnesota (maybe a little better, maybe a little worse) but who are still a bit behind Boston, Tampa Bay and Los Angeles (not to mention a few NL teams). As of right now it looks like the Sox will be playing meaningful baseball into September, which is much more than I expected going into the season. More importantly, however, is the fact that Williams -- with a handful of acquisitions -- has done a really nice job of building a solid core to build around for the next couple years (Quentin, Danks, Swisher and -- although I might be jumping the gun a bit with this one -- Ramirez).
   40. Eraser-X is emphatically dominating teh site!!! Posted: August 11, 2008 at 02:27 AM (#2897959)
Yes, but he spent all that "time and energy" trading for Danks when he could have been researching technology to reanimate and sign Babe Ruth.
   41. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: August 11, 2008 at 03:08 AM (#2898006)
Yes, but he spent all that "time and energy" trading for Danks when he could have been researching technology to reanimate and sign Babe Ruth.
I'd like to see the reaction to that. I imagine we could still find 4 Primates to call Kenny Williams an idiot.

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