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Sunday, February 26, 2006

Star-Tribune: Tony Batista has faith in his game

Tony Batista and his hallelulu trail mix…

“I’m Tony Batista! From the Dominican Republic!” the new guy said, stepping into the clubhouse for the first time with both arms raised triumphantly above his head. “God brought me here,” Batista said. “I missed one year, but I’m back.”

...I tried to get back [with the Hawks] this year again, but they don’t want me,” Batista said. “So I’m here. Praise God.”

If anyone thought Batista would shrivel from his Japanese experience, they were mistaken. Like anything in his deeply spiritual life, he speaks of it now as part of God’s divine plan. With Fukuoka, he said, he handed out Bibles inside the clubhouse to his Japanese teammates.

“And they read the Bible,” he said, without sounding surprised. “So I think God probably said, ‘You’re done over there. So go back here to Minnesota and talk about Jesus Christ to those guys.’ “

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   1. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: February 26, 2006 at 01:56 AM (#1875173)
Yet another reason I'm an atheist.
   2. philly Posted: February 26, 2006 at 02:01 AM (#1875181)
Yet another reason I'm an atheist.

What, waiting for Tony Batista to personally hand you a bible?
   3. Craig in MN Posted: February 26, 2006 at 02:09 AM (#1875191)
I've been saying "Oh, God" and "Tony Batista" in the same sentence a lot over the past 2 months. I guess you could call that a prayer, so perhaps he'll be converting lots of folks "back here in Minnesota".
   4. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: February 26, 2006 at 02:10 AM (#1875192)
I've had enough Bible in my life, thank you very much.
   5. 1k5v3L Posted: February 26, 2006 at 02:15 AM (#1875197)
I've been saying "Oh, God" and "Tony Batista" in the same sentence a lot over the past 2 months.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.
   6. dcsmyth1 Posted: February 26, 2006 at 02:20 AM (#1875201)
===="Yet another reason I'm an atheist."

Says it all.
   7. Miko Supports Shane's Spam Habit Posted: February 26, 2006 at 02:48 AM (#1875254)
Batista's fielding as a third baseman was also a problem....

"Everybody knows the story -- that his range wasn't what it once was when he was younger," Gardenhire said. "That's expected. All we ever ask here is that you catch the balls you're supposed to catch. That's one thing he's always done against us."


His 2000-2003 UZR doesn't look bad (+1 per 150) and his ZR in 2004 was actually slightly higher than it had been 2001-2003.

Why was Batista moved from short to 3rd in the first place--was he not handling shortstop? Was Alex Gonzalez thought to be have been that good? Batista's career ZR at SS is .848--looks like a middling figure.

Batista's offense would have been quite tolerable as a shortstop. I don't suppose it would change the perception of his bible thumping.
   8. tfbg9 Posted: February 26, 2006 at 04:35 AM (#1875398)
I may be wrong, and I hope I am, but it sure seems that our boy Repoz is now posting articles with the intent, with no other detectable reason or purpose, to cause outspokenly Christian ballplayers to appear foolish.

Again, I hope I'm wrong here, because Same Swing is otherwise one cool baseball/music geek.
   9. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: February 26, 2006 at 04:41 AM (#1875411)
I may be wrong, and I hope I am, but it sure seems that our boy Repoz is now posting articles with the intent, with no other detectable reason or purpose, to cause outspokenly Christian ballplayers to appear foolish.

Oh, I hope you're right. It would be hard to do otherwise.
   10. tfbg9 Posted: February 26, 2006 at 04:52 AM (#1875423)
Cute, Blanket Boy.
   11. Rob Base Posted: February 26, 2006 at 05:30 AM (#1875469)
Julio Franco is on a steroid called Jesus of Nazareth.
   12. Jesse Barfield's Right Arm Posted: February 26, 2006 at 05:46 AM (#1875481)
I may be wrong, and I hope I am, but it sure seems that our boy Repoz is now posting articles with the intent, with no other detectable reason or purpose, to cause outspokenly Christian ballplayers to appear foolish.

Cause? How about revealing their foolishness. I don't think Repoz has the sway to cause Bautista to say and do what he does...besides, Daulton's New Age comments were fodder for ridicule last week. There is nothing more foolish about Christianity than anything else, there just happens to be more of them.
   13. Rob Base Posted: February 26, 2006 at 05:50 AM (#1875489)
When I can't see post #12, can the poster who posted it see it?
   14. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: February 26, 2006 at 05:58 AM (#1875497)
I like this Tony Batista guy's attitude.
   15. Schtoopo Posted: February 26, 2006 at 06:09 AM (#1875515)
I swear, Gagne_55, you've got endurance. I just don't believe the Christian schtick is for real. And you've been keeping it up for months. I tip my cap to you, sir.

And yeah, Christianity - the longest game of telephone ever.
   16. Bunny Vincennes Posted: February 26, 2006 at 06:12 AM (#1875520)
to cause outspokenly Christian ballplayers to appear foolish.

Crap. Voxter beat me to it.
   17. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: February 26, 2006 at 06:15 AM (#1875525)
I may regret this, Forgon, but here is a link to my My Space. If I put that on display for my friends and classmates to see, why would I be lying about my religion?
   18. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: February 26, 2006 at 06:16 AM (#1875528)
Hidden post, appear! I need to make sure my link works.
   19. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: February 26, 2006 at 06:17 AM (#1875531)
Bart: What religion are you?
Homer: You know, the one with all the well-meaning rules that don't work out in real life. Uh ... Christianity.

That about sums it up for me.

As for Batista, so long as his Sermon on the Mound act doesn't bug his teammates (I remember reading that was a knock on Chad Curtis) he can do whatever he pleases.
   20. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: February 26, 2006 at 06:21 AM (#1875535)
Hopefully I will be able to save my rap songs on the computer, then upload them onto Myspace at some point.
   21. Jesse Barfield's Right Arm Posted: February 26, 2006 at 06:25 AM (#1875542)
Re: #13, Yes.
   22. RichRifkin Posted: February 26, 2006 at 06:26 AM (#1875543)
Great line from the old TV sitcom, All in the Family:

Meathead was arguing with Archie about religion, got really pissed off, and stormed upstairs screaming down at his father-in-law, "Thank God I'm an Atheist!"

Surely not everyone dislikes having evangelicals expounding the merits of their faith to them, though I have little patience for it, but I think almost everyone is put off by the guy or gal who is newly converted to what the convert believes is The One and Only Truth!

I have very close friends who are very committed Christians -- one of my best friends is an evangelical minister -- but they know that I don't want to have their religion crammed down my throat. And they respect me as such.

Alas, the new convert doesn't get it. He or she takes every opportunity to bore everyone with his message of salvation. (Pro athletes do that all the time in interviews, especially on TV.) And, well, speaking for myself, as someone who has never had any drug or alcohol problems, who has never had such serious personal flaws that I needed to believe in a dude who lived in order to save me from a place hotter than Palm Springs, who has never committed a felony or destroyed a life, I can't stand being preached to by the overly excited new converts. They combine the worst elements of zealotry, irrationality, and persistence.
   23. Bunny Vincennes Posted: February 26, 2006 at 06:27 AM (#1875545)
Jesse,

I have to post this (and off topic) Barfield along with Andere Dawson were guys I loved to see load up and fire at a runner on the bases. Fun arms to watch they were. Thanks for reminding me.
   24. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: February 26, 2006 at 06:29 AM (#1875548)
<i>And yeah, Christianity - the longest game of telephone ever,/i>

Straight up.
   25. AJMcCringleberry Posted: February 26, 2006 at 06:40 AM (#1875559)
And yeah, Christianity - the longest game of telephone ever.

Doesn't the bible end with the phrase "purple monkey dishwasher"?
   26. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: February 26, 2006 at 06:42 AM (#1875560)
Doesn't the bible end with the phrase "purple monkey dishwasher"?

I thought it was "the monkeys will play 'Greensleeves' on your xylophone". But I may be wrong.
   27. Bunny Vincennes Posted: February 26, 2006 at 06:47 AM (#1875562)
I thought it was "the monkeys will play 'Greensleeves' on your xylophone". But I may be wrong.

Almost. It was homosexual monkeys.
   28. CraigK Posted: February 26, 2006 at 06:49 AM (#1875564)
   29. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: February 26, 2006 at 06:54 AM (#1875569)
I have to say I don't give a crap about his godliness; it's the inevitable, inherent suckiness that makes me hate Tony Batista even before he's worn the laundry.
   30. Schtoopo Posted: February 26, 2006 at 07:21 AM (#1875600)
"the homosexual monkeys will play 'Greensleeves' on your xylophone"

Huh, and here I thought it was "The hominoidal monkeys will read tealeaves in your silo, Ron."
   31. We don't have dahlians at the Palace of Wisdom Posted: February 26, 2006 at 07:34 AM (#1875605)
Gagne, you possibly have me convinced with the myspace account. Although, I was really hoping that you would turn out to be this California-based aspiring rapper.

Pity.
   32. We don't have dahlians at the Palace of Wisdom Posted: February 26, 2006 at 07:39 AM (#1875606)
Can I hold out faith for a Nocal-Socal Gagne-C_Wiggz rivalry.

I have no doubt that you would abide by the etiquette of the rapping contest. I can only hope C-Wiggz possesses as much lyrical dignity and freestyle honor.
   33. DCW3 Posted: February 26, 2006 at 07:44 AM (#1875609)
I may regret this, Forgon, but here is a link to my My Space.

While you have nothing to fear from me, Gagne...I'm going to predict that you almost unquestionably will regret this.
   34. Bunny Vincennes Posted: February 26, 2006 at 08:20 AM (#1875625)
See, dahlian, Gagne_55 is THIS guy!
   35. Rob Base Posted: February 26, 2006 at 10:31 AM (#1875668)
I may regret this, Forgon, but here is a link to my My Space. If I put that on display for my friends and classmates to see, why would I be lying about my religion?

Ah, Gagne is a fugly 17-year-old. That explains it.
   36. Los Angeles Waterloo of Black Hawk Posted: February 26, 2006 at 10:59 AM (#1875671)
I think Tony Batista rocks. Remember that story about how he was in some visiting town, and went and saw some church, and decided then and there to write them a check for thousands of dollars? (I just RTFA and this story is mentioned in there.) What a great character. And his batting stance is awesome.

And good for him for believing in something and taking a stand for it. There is no evidence that his being public about his beliefs has annoyed a significant number of people.

I'm glad someone is keeping Batista employed, so we can keep hearing about him.

And I'm glad it's not my team.
   37. The Keith Law Blog Blah Blah (battlekow) Posted: February 26, 2006 at 11:01 AM (#1875672)
Ah, Gagne is a fugly 17-year-old. That explains it.


Fugly? He's not fat. It's not like there's a shortage of material; no need to make anything up.

The best part about his profile is the blurry picture of a cat sitting on a deck that's captioned:

I have pictures from visiting the Hall of Fame, but they are over 600k

So instead, to satisfy your legions of fans no doubt clamoring for a new picture, you posted one of your cat. That's some absurd, hilarious ####, man.

Seriously, though, it was brave of Gagne to post his myspace profile, and so I will as well.
   38. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: February 26, 2006 at 01:36 PM (#1875679)
There's an interesting tendency in these sorts of spaces (ie, internet discussions, usually) in America for an extreme opposition of religion and atheism that is not reflected in everyday practice.

I tend to think both sides reinforce the other. Conservative evangelicals, in general, are heavily invested in defining their idiosyncratic and modern form of Christianity as the only true expression of that faith, while self-professed atheists, in general, use a very similar construction of the absolute nature of faith and belief to ground their lack thereof.

This is not to say that I want to make any claim to say evangelical protestantism is an improper expression of Christianity, or that I have anything particularly against atheism. I just think it's interesting how both groups seem to be invested in not only the existence of the other group, but in the assignment of everyone who doesn't self-professedly fit one group into boxes of "atheist" or "religious" - with religious defined as a specific expression of conservative evangelical protestantism developed in 19th and 20th century America.
   39. The Bones McCoy of THT Posted: February 26, 2006 at 01:49 PM (#1875683)
I may be wrong, and I hope I am, but it sure seems that our boy Repoz is now posting articles with the intent, with no other detectable reason or purpose, to cause outspokenly Christian ballplayers to appear foolish


Hey, some of them are a tad, shall we say, silly.

I consider myself a pretty devout guy and I don't see any real 'evil agenda' on Repoz' part. We all have things we believe and don't believe in. While we should take our principles seriously we shouldn't take them so seriously than we can't laugh about it.

The more we laugh (especially at ourselves) the less we're inclined to hurt ourselves or others and that's a good thing.</soapbox>

Best Regards

John
   40. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 26, 2006 at 03:03 PM (#1875699)
That's a good-lookin' cat. I'm pleased to see that you went with the gray model, as do all people of taste.
   41. Rob Base Posted: February 26, 2006 at 03:20 PM (#1875702)
Fugly? He's not fat.

That's not what fugly means.
   42. The Keith Law Blog Blah Blah (battlekow) Posted: February 26, 2006 at 04:17 PM (#1875716)
That's not what fugly means.


Fugly = Fat + Ugly. Check yourself.
   43. Van Lingle Mungo Jerry Posted: February 26, 2006 at 04:27 PM (#1875721)
From battlekow's link:

"battle has 0 friends."

Now THAT'S comedy.
   44. Rob Base Posted: February 26, 2006 at 04:30 PM (#1875723)
That's not what fugly means.



Fugly = Fat + Ugly. Check yourself.


No, check YOURself. It means f%$king ugly.
   45. Rob Base Posted: February 26, 2006 at 04:31 PM (#1875724)
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fugly
   46. The Keith Law Blog Blah Blah (battlekow) Posted: February 26, 2006 at 05:19 PM (#1875743)
No, check YOURself. It means f%$king ugly.

That's not nearly as funny though.
From battlekow's link:

"battle has 0 friends."

Now THAT'S comedy.

Wow, tell me that didn't go over your head.
   47. The Keith Law Blog Blah Blah (battlekow) Posted: February 26, 2006 at 05:23 PM (#1875746)
By the way, I get 1440 hits for the terms "fugly" and "fat ugly" and only 647 for "fugly" and \"####### ugly."
   48. Rob Base Posted: February 26, 2006 at 05:29 PM (#1875748)
I get 1.75 million hits for "spaghetti and tomato sauce".
   49. Rob Base Posted: February 26, 2006 at 05:30 PM (#1875750)
By the way, I get 11,000 hits for \"####### ugly" + "fugly" and only 596 for "fat ugly" + "fugly". Don't know how you were doing it.
   50. Van Lingle Mungo Jerry Posted: February 26, 2006 at 05:59 PM (#1875767)
Wow, tell me that didn't go over your head.

Not at all. I was just amused by the juxtaposition of the picture and the friends counter. I've also never been more terrified to click on a link as the one stating "View More Pics".

As for the meaning of "fugly," FWIW, my understanding has always been the same as Rob's.
   51. We don't have dahlians at the Palace of Wisdom Posted: February 26, 2006 at 06:07 PM (#1875772)
Ah, Gagne is a fugly 17-year-old. That explains it.

Ding, ding, ding!

It's a official. Rob Base has become the first Primate poster to say something so needlessly inconsiderate, and just all around dlckish that it's made me cringe.

To quote Mark Hallman - I'm sure you would have made a good little nazi.

Kudos to you sir. You make me weep for the human race.
   52. Rob Base Posted: February 26, 2006 at 06:46 PM (#1875793)
*raises arms triumphantly*
   53. bob gee Posted: February 26, 2006 at 07:59 PM (#1875861)
was using f'ing ugly = fugly 15+ years ago...
   54. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: February 26, 2006 at 08:08 PM (#1875871)
The best part about his profile is the blurry picture of a cat sitting on a deck that's captioned:

I have pictures from visiting the Hall of Fame, but they are over 600k


Yeah, well Myspace doesn't accept pictures that take up more space than 600k. I wanted to post the pictures I had from my trip to Cooperstown, but they were all too big to upload (is there anyway to reduce the size of a file?). So, I had to settle for lesser pictures like of my cat. I'm glad you found that caption funny.
   55. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: February 26, 2006 at 08:14 PM (#1875874)
I see why most Christian posters like Backlasher, Eraser-X, and Vaux avoid these threads. All that they'd get is criticism. Attempting to share the Gospel with some of you violates Matthew 7:6
"Do not give what is holy to the dogs; and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under foot and turn and maul you.-Matthew 7:6

I think I'm going to start avoiding religious threads on this site as well.
   56. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: February 26, 2006 at 08:18 PM (#1875876)
I looked up fugly on dictionary.com it said
1. Vulgar Slang: Very ugly
[shortening of ####### ugly]

That was its only definition.
   57. Rob Base Posted: February 26, 2006 at 08:19 PM (#1875878)
says a fugly 17 y/o.
   58. Optimus_Primate Posted: February 26, 2006 at 08:29 PM (#1875886)
   59. fables of the deconstruction Posted: February 26, 2006 at 08:33 PM (#1875890)
I wanted to post the pictures I had from my trip to Cooperstown, but they were all too big to upload (is there anyway to reduce the size of a file?).

Almost any 'good' graphic editing application will allow you to do this. Most digital camera's come with one. I know my Nikon did, but I already have PhotoShop on my Pismo so I've never used the included one.

-------
trevise
   60. bob gee Posted: February 26, 2006 at 08:52 PM (#1875904)
photo resizer lite, from showyourphotos.com should do it...
   61. JMM Posted: February 26, 2006 at 08:54 PM (#1875906)
And yeah, Christianity - the longest game of telephone ever.

That's not fair.

Judaism, Jainism, and Hinduism are all older, for starters.....
   62. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: February 26, 2006 at 09:00 PM (#1875910)
I assume that changing the resolution will decrese the file size. Is there a way to do that in paint?
   63. DCW3 Posted: February 26, 2006 at 09:13 PM (#1875923)
I thought this seemed fitting for this thread...
   64. tfbg9 Posted: February 26, 2006 at 09:15 PM (#1875927)
Post 51 says it all. Beneath contempt.
   65. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: February 26, 2006 at 09:15 PM (#1875930)
I have now read this article, and I have to say that about 5% of it is about religion.

Batista seems like a really cool guy, and I'm glad to see that he performs meaningful acts of charity with the money he's made. (In case you're wondering what a "meaningless act of charity" would be, I would say giving millions of dollars to your college baseball program, or pledging $5 to some charity for every homer you hit. The latter sort of thing always annoys me. Why make it so complicated? Why make it about your accomplishments? Just do the good deed.)

But anyway, if I was one of his teammates, and he handed me a Bible, and told me to read it, and then asked me if I had read it, and so on, it would make me uncomfortable. Just as if it was the Koran, or the Scientology pamphlet that was given to everyone in the audience when Nancy Cartwright came to speak at my college.

Does he want to make people uncomfortable? Yes, he does. That's part of evangelism. I don't think it's part of being a good person, though.
   66. JMM Posted: February 26, 2006 at 09:29 PM (#1875935)
But anyway, if I was one of his teammates, and he handed me a Bible, and told me to read it, and then asked me if I had read it, and so on, it would make me uncomfortable. Just as if it was the Koran, or the Scientology pamphlet that was given to everyone in the audience when Nancy Cartwright came to speak at my college.

There is a not so fine line though betweeen making the general information about your faith available and haranging people about it (never mind that everyone in the US over the age of 6 knows about the product Batista's flogging anyways). If he gives people Bibles, it's one thing. Asking about it later, etc, though is crossing the line. Having to dispose of away a Bible or Koran or pamphlet left in your work locker or handed out as you enter a lecture isn't that different than having to dispose of the crap people leave on your car when your parked advertising a gym or rave or restaurant; it's just a product that is (presumably) more personal to the person giving you unwanted crap.

Incidentally, are there Scientologists outside of show business? Not that I want to hang with them....Bart Simpson being one is just so damn disappointing.
   67. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: February 26, 2006 at 09:39 PM (#1875937)
Judaism, Jainism, and Hinduism are all older, for starters.....

Christianity is a bizarre mutation of Judaism, so, you know, they're just one game of telephone that split onto seperate tracks somewhere.

I was raised Catholic, and minored in religious studies in college, and I guess it would be more appropriate to call me an agnostic than an atheist; it's just that my skeptical nature has a tendency to see organized religion as a sort of institutionalized magical thinking. something which is not wholly but largely destructive in societies American and otherwise. I resent being preached at, particularly by people who know less about the Bible than I do, which is a stunningly high percentage of people who have preached at me over the years. Does the existence of conservative Christian types offend me? Only inasmuch as I offend them, and they view it as their goal to A) convert me, or, failing that, B) rid the world of people like me.

What strikes me as the oddest thing about all of the Hebraic religions is this: If there is a God, and She is omnipotent, omniscient, and all-loving regardless, why would She care if anybody worships Her? It just seems very likely to me that we've built God in our image, not the other way around.
   68. JMM Posted: February 26, 2006 at 10:01 PM (#1875950)
What strikes me as the oddest thing about all of the Hebraic religions is this: If there is a God, and She is omnipotent, omniscient, and all-loving regardless, why would She care if anybody worships Her? It just seems very likely to me that we've built God in our image, not the other way around.

I think that last part is practically undeniable, but not so much "we" as each individual builds god in his/her image. Which is why the same faiths "inspire" Pat Robertson and the KKK or Osama bin Laden and the Wahabbist movement on one hand, yet Martin Luther King and Jimmy Carter or Muhammad Ali and Richard Thompson on the other (even with the respective feet of clay). Pat Robertson isn't a goat molesting son of a ##### because he's a Christian; his Christianity is the cloak in which he clothes his reprehensibleness. If Christianity -- or religion in general -- didn't exist, the Robertsons and bin Ladens of the world would find other means to be evil, and Jimmy Carter would just go on building more houses for poor people.
   69. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: February 26, 2006 at 10:25 PM (#1875966)
I discovered an indirect way of reducing file sizes and now have added some pictures that were too big before.

I thought this seemed fitting for this thread

Pearls Before Swine is my favorite comic strip. And, you posted it in a thread where the topic was not only relevant, but also where I had quoted the pearls before swine verse. Good job.

I would not be offended or annoyed at somebody trying to teach me about their faith.
   70. tfbg9 Posted: February 26, 2006 at 11:02 PM (#1876004)
BTW, G-55, you're not "fugly." You look kinda like your namesake. I wonder what Rob Base looks like? How's about a link to a picture, tough guy? Be brave!
   71. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: February 26, 2006 at 11:13 PM (#1876014)
I would not be offended or annoyed at somebody trying to teach me about their faith.

Well, you see, there's this being. It kinda looks like a big mess of spaghetti and meatballs. And it flies. And that's the creator and prime mover of our universe.
   72. Rob Base Posted: February 26, 2006 at 11:16 PM (#1876017)
Ok, what the hell. My identity isn't a secret. Ladies and gentlemen, Rob Base.

We are not dating.
   73. The Bones McCoy of THT Posted: February 26, 2006 at 11:17 PM (#1876019)
I see why most Christian posters like Backlasher, Eraser-X, and Vaux avoid these threads. All that they'd get is criticism. Attempting to share the Gospel with some of you violates Matthew 7:6
"Do not give what is holy to the dogs; and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under foot and turn and maul you.-Matthew 7:6

I think I'm going to start avoiding religious threads on this site as well.


Gagne:

First off, you've got chops and I enjoy your zeal and devotion. A guy your age exploring his spiritual side is refreshing since so many at your stage of life are living in the moment and not even attempting to see if there might be a bigger picture. Having said this but--no offense but I think the above is a little over the top.

"Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God, which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words. But a fleshly man does not accept the things of the spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised."--1 Corinthians 2:12-14

In other words if a person is disinclined to pursue spiritual matters then spiritual things are going to look like magic pixies and fairy dust to them.

Let's face it, religion's role in human affairs has been pretty terrible--especially from nominal Christians. When you study history it's hard not to be empathetic to those who come to the conclusion that mankind would've been better off if religion had never been part of the human equation.

Yes, Christians were commanded by Jesus to make disciples but never lose sight of the most important way you can do this: "Jesus said 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."--Matthew 22:37-40

Maybe Christianity would have more credibility had these words been applied more thoroughly throughout its history. It certainly will reach more hearts than anything we might say. As Paul wrote in part "so that in every way they will make the teaching about God our Savior attractive"--Titus 2:10

Bottom line "pearls before swine" doesn't really belong here. Generally the ones Jesus would apply these words to were the ones Paul described: "For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness" (Romans 10:2,3) like the scribes and the Pharisees. Hey I find an honest athiest waaaaay more appealing than the folks Paul was talking about. I don't consider it "pearls before swine" as much as a simple difference of opinion and belief.

If they act overly cynical, well let's face it, Christianity has given them plenty of ammunition.

Best Regards

John
   74. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: February 26, 2006 at 11:17 PM (#1876020)
Rob Base's sister.

(Well, not really)
   75. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: February 26, 2006 at 11:24 PM (#1876031)
Christianity has not done harm in human affairs. The crusades for instance were inspired by greed, not religion. Christianity is a religion of peace. And you are right about loving God and neigbor being number one and two priorities. At school, I do not go around pushing Bilbes into people's faces, but I try to lead by example, helping people in need and not holding grudges. And, if somebody asks me any question about ethics/religion/etc. I give them my Christian opinion on the matter.
   76. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: February 26, 2006 at 11:28 PM (#1876037)
The thing about the "pearls before swine" comment is...in today's world it makes no sense. In Jesus's day, the only way to find out about Christianity was to have a Christian explain it to you. Nowadays, not so much.

I've gone to websites that explain theological doctrine. To me, it seems irrelevant to my life. I just try to be a good person without wondering which religion fits me best.

I think the only thing evangelicals need to do is hand out brochures, if they want to make a point. There's no need to try to sell your religion to someone else. It's never going to work. You can't logically explain your faith to people. You can invite people to church, or to look at some literature, in order to expose them to the faith that you hope will convert them. But you yourself are not going to convert them by giving a spiel.
   77. tfbg9 Posted: February 26, 2006 at 11:34 PM (#1876044)
Base is uglier. Inside and out.
   78. Rob Base Posted: February 26, 2006 at 11:38 PM (#1876048)
Haha, bubye credibility. Look, lighten up. You are taking my comment and yourself much too seriously, and, in general, acting like an as$hole.
   79. Craig in MN Posted: February 26, 2006 at 11:53 PM (#1876058)
I may be wrong, and I hope I am, but it sure seems that our boy Repoz is now posting articles with the intent, with no other detectable reason or purpose, to cause outspokenly Christian ballplayers to appear foolish.

It's not for me to defend Repoz, but he's not the one writing the articles, nor answering the questions in the articles. And he's certainly not the only one to find this article of widespread interest. The Star Tribune had this article as the top sports story in the newspaper today. Above the fold, covering about half the page, huge photo of Batista, large font quotes from Batista about God. Something made management decide that this article should stick out, and it isn't because Batista is exactly a huge name or all that likely to provide a huge impact. It was the main article because it's an interesting topic. And I don't think the article makes Batista look foolish at all....just maybe a bit overzealous in one regard. There are all sorts of articles about players personalities/quirks....religion is just a frequent one because it is frequently a passion of many people.

The Star Tribune also published an article yesterday about atheists debating Christians college students, which might be interesting to anyone who finds religious debates interesting. Maybe it's not Repoz who's got a thing for articles with religious slants...maybe it the Minnesota and/or national media.
   80. tfbg9 Posted: February 27, 2006 at 12:02 AM (#1876067)
Base, why did you go out of your way to intentionally hurt a 17 year old high school kid? That's what I don't get. WTF is wrong with you? Please get a vasectomy.
   81. Rob Base Posted: February 27, 2006 at 12:04 AM (#1876069)
Yeah, I know, "beneath contempt" to call the little critter "fugly." But since you called me "fuglier," I guess you need the electric chair.
   82. CraigK Posted: February 27, 2006 at 12:12 AM (#1876077)
We still posting Myspaces?

I'll post the ones I found:

Anthony Reyes (That's right, our best prospect has a MYSPACE PROFILE! Welcome to the 21st century!), Tyler Johnson, Carmen Cali,
   83. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: February 27, 2006 at 12:18 AM (#1876083)
Tyler Johnson's motto is "get r done"? That's not even how Dan Whitney spells it.
   84. JMM Posted: February 27, 2006 at 12:22 AM (#1876086)
From the article in 79:
Berkshire said there are two kinds of atheists -- "negative" ones who declare there is no God and "positive" ones such as himself, "who lack belief because we see no evidence." Agnostics, he said, aren't sure. And there's a new category, he said, of "apathyists" -- "people who just do not care."

That last term makes me want to Rochambeau[sp] him. Apathy implies lack of consideration. I like the term areligious actually, not that anyone else has to. But apathyists makes it sound like all they do is sit around eating cheetos and watching Full House reruns while drunk/stoned out of their gourd.
   85. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: February 27, 2006 at 12:29 AM (#1876089)
But apathyists makes it sound like all they do is sit around eating cheetos and watching Full House reruns while drunk/stoned out of their gourd.

That's offensive. We watch Cosby Show reruns.
   86. JMM Posted: February 27, 2006 at 12:35 AM (#1876094)
Perhaps you're not fugly enough to be a proper apathyist.
   87. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: February 27, 2006 at 12:38 AM (#1876097)
Perhaps you're not fugly enough to be a proper apathyist.

Good point. I'm actually Fandsome.
   88. gef the talking mongoose, peppery hostile Posted: February 27, 2006 at 12:51 AM (#1876103)
Ladies and gentlemen, Rob Base.

so ... which one are you?
   89. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: February 27, 2006 at 12:59 AM (#1876108)
But you yourself are not going to convert them by giving a spiel.
But, you know, it happens. Not often, but often enough to encourage the behavior.

Gagne55, I'm not sure what to do with your post 75. I'm pretty sure we disagree on some level, but other parts are semantics. In short, there's big differences between the teachings of Christ, Christianity as a religion, and the behavior of Christians. For example, most Christians that I've known (me included, mind you) are more self-focused than anything else, despite "You shall love your neighbor as yourself" being the second greatest of the Commandments.

As for the crusades, well, they wouldn't have been called that if religion in the form of Pope Urban II hadn't gotten involved - and were certainly fueled by the piety of many the combatants.
   90. bob gee Posted: February 27, 2006 at 01:14 AM (#1876120)
scientology is a money making cult. even outside of all the books, disgruntled members, slave contracts, etc. - possibly the best proof of this was when helena kobrin tried to shut down the internet newsgroup alt.religion.scientology and sue people who posted the "OT" levels. the reason told to scientologists was that death would result if people read them and weren't ready; the real reason, funds wouldn;t be paid for it...
   91. We don't have dahlians at the Palace of Wisdom Posted: February 27, 2006 at 01:19 AM (#1876126)
I'm actually Fandsome.

I'm having fun with this: I've been known to be Fauspicious in public due to my Fawesomely Fandsome countenance(Fountenance?).

Anyone else having a hard time reconciling Base's supposed picture with his 14 year-old vocabulary/sense of humor?
   92. bob gee Posted: February 27, 2006 at 01:26 AM (#1876130)
also...i used to send out for autographs from ballplayers. some would sign with scripture,
but i remember tim foli signed his stuff and then included a 4 page small pamphlet with his pix on the front, signed, of why he had his faith, etc. i thought that was smart to do (spreading the word), and in a non-threatening way.
   93. JMM Posted: February 27, 2006 at 01:30 AM (#1876134)
scientology is a money making cult.

Well, yeah, duh. I'm just wondering (slightly) if anyone has ever actually met one in real life, since they only seem to exist in show biz.
   94. tfbg9 Posted: February 27, 2006 at 01:30 AM (#1876135)
"so ... which one are you?"

I'm guessing that he's the one with the sort of Hapsburgian jaw, Feldman-like eye, and just the faintest beginning of a comb-over. I dunno.
   95. JMM Posted: February 27, 2006 at 01:34 AM (#1876137)
Met a $cientologist, not a $cientology, of course.
   96. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: February 27, 2006 at 01:34 AM (#1876138)
In short, there's big differences between the teachings of Christ, Christianity as a religion, and the behavior of Christians

No, then those are just people who claim to be Christians but really aren't, like whitewashd tombs which on the outside look beautiful but on the inside are full of bones and filth. You should read my Myspace blog titled "Political and Religious Questions" which descibes why the Republican Party does not represent Christianity. The main reason that I gave was that it encourages capitalist greed and big business, while Jesus and Paul encourage economic equality. (Of course, the Democratic Party does not represnt Christianity either what with its stances on abortion, gay marriage, and fornication among others.
   97. Rob Base Posted: February 27, 2006 at 01:35 AM (#1876141)
Oh tfbg9, you are beyond cruel. BENEATH beneath contempt. Get cancer.
   98. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: February 27, 2006 at 01:36 AM (#1876142)
Tyler Johnson

My brother actually played on the same little league team as Tyler Johnson.
   99. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: February 27, 2006 at 01:37 AM (#1876144)
Well, yeah, duh. I'm just wondering (slightly) if anyone has ever actually met one in real life, since they only seem to exist in show biz.

They have a recruiting table set up in the Times Square subway station (or they did for a few months last year), under the guise of providing "free stress tests."
   100. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: February 27, 2006 at 01:42 AM (#1876148)
Gagne -

It is not your place to determine who is and is not a Christian. How can you possibly know with certainty?
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