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Tuesday, October 13, 2020

Steve Cohen to blow up Wilpons’ ‘archaic’ Mets technology

“It was just so archaic,” a person familiar with the Mets operating structure during the Wilpons’ ownership said. “Fred Wilpon walked around and tried to pride himself on being this progressive thinker and he just couldn’t grasp a lot of the stuff. It wasn’t like Jeff or Fred, I don’t want to make them out to be bad guys, I just think they didn’t grasp how to invest in stuff that could help you get down the road.”

The Mets have fought to keep up. Included was the development of a player-facing app on iPads. The app allows players to prepare for an upcoming opponent, helping them share video, communicate with coaches and analyze data. But the app also requires an infrastructure the Mets are lacking.

It starts with a data pipeline, but acquiring the same kind of information from the minor leagues as major leagues has been a challenge for the Mets due to staffing limitations. Likewise, the Mets are challenged in keeping the app updated and receiving proper analysis due to the scarcity of bodies. Another issue that has bedeviled the organization is something as basic as an internal server that can support 30 players using their iPads simultaneously.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 13, 2020 at 09:56 AM | 28 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Adam Starblind Posted: October 13, 2020 at 11:41 AM (#5982780)
Andy Martino has been saying on the Shea Anything podcast (which is pretty good, I recommend it) that hiring Alderson indicates that the Mets don't intend to be big spenders on high-end free agents, because Alderson historically has denigrated the big contracts.

If that's true, I will freak out, though it's a hard offseason to test that hypothesis as there isn't an A+ free agent out there. I'd stay away from Realmuto given his age and probable price tag. I'd be in on Bauer, up to a point.

I also think (and hope) it's a bad take. Alderson's never been in a position to bid on the Machado, Cole, Harper types of free agents. Martino cites Alderson mocking the Nats' deal with Jayson Werth, but everyone thought they overpaid at the time, and needless to say Werth wasn't an A+ free agent.

Anyway, if after all of this we are still run like NY's red-headed stepchild, I'm going to be pissed off.
   2. Howie Menckel Posted: October 13, 2020 at 12:01 PM (#5982781)
WFAN Mets reporter Ed Coleman, who knows Alderson really well, said that 2015 was exactly the sort of season Alderson loved.


Develop from within, get yourself in a position to go for it - and then acquire a Cespedes and some spare parts to help yourself win a pennant.
   3. Adam Starblind Posted: October 13, 2020 at 12:03 PM (#5982783)
It's also entirely possible that Cohen said to Alderson "I love the way you run a ballclub. Do that while adding in A+ free agents."

Machado would have made so much sense.
   4. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 13, 2020 at 01:17 PM (#5982793)
hiring Alderson indicates that the Mets don't intend to be big spenders on high-end free agents


From the article:
Cohen has told associates, according to sources, he expects to lose about $400 million on the team in his first two years as the new owner.
   5. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: October 13, 2020 at 02:28 PM (#5982810)

In another thread I noted that the Mets have a pretty poor record in international signings, really throughout their history. It seems like an obvious area for improvement, even though turning something like that around is neither quick nor easy.
   6. puck Posted: October 13, 2020 at 04:02 PM (#5982830)
Cohen has told associates, according to sources, he expects to lose about $400 million on the team in his first two years as the new owner.



Huh, that's a lot of computers and cameras. Does he know it's Prime day?
   7. jmurph Posted: October 13, 2020 at 04:25 PM (#5982836)
Cohen has told associates, according to sources, he expects to lose about $400 million on the team in his first two years as the new owner.

Ha! My sources tell me 29 other owners and a commissioner are going to have some thoughts on that plan.
   8. Walt Davis Posted: October 13, 2020 at 04:53 PM (#5982838)
Ha! My sources tell me that Cohen has already figured out how to play the traditional owners' "I'm losing money in an industry that hasn't seen a business go under in 100 years" routine.
   9. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 13, 2020 at 05:01 PM (#5982839)
Cohen has told associates, according to sources, he expects to lose about $400 million on the team in his first two years as the new owner.


Ha! My sources tell me 29 other owners and a commissioner are going to have some thoughts on that plan.

He'll only be "losing money" because he's paying down debt, or paying himself a lot of money. His operating earnings will be positive.
   10. Ron J Posted: October 13, 2020 at 06:41 PM (#5982858)
#9 And it is $400M of opportunity cost.

And the opportunity cost assumes you had prime Bernie Madoff doing the investing. Wait, what?
   11. asinwreck Posted: October 13, 2020 at 08:44 PM (#5982883)
Which Point72 underlings are going to spend Christmas dismantling the telegraph station at CitiField?
   12. McCoy Posted: October 14, 2020 at 10:07 AM (#5982942)
Virtually no FA is worth the mega long term contract and the ones that are get opt out clauses that allow them to leave and get new mega contracts that aren’t worth it.
   13. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 14, 2020 at 11:16 AM (#5982963)
It's a pretty shitty FA class this winter too, right?
   14. Adam Starblind Posted: October 14, 2020 at 01:04 PM (#5983000)
It is shitty. I'm not sure when the next A+ free agents are expected on the market.
   15. bfan Posted: October 14, 2020 at 01:28 PM (#5983002)

Huh, that's a lot of computers and cameras. Does he know it's Prime day?


That is very funny.
   16. bfan Posted: October 14, 2020 at 01:30 PM (#5983004)
He'll only be "losing money" because he's paying down debt, or paying himself a lot of money. His operating earnings will be positive.


On what basis do you make this claim?
   17. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: October 14, 2020 at 02:36 PM (#5983015)
Virtually no FA is worth the mega long term contract and the ones that are get opt out clauses that allow them to leave and get new mega contracts that aren’t worth it.


Honest question: could a team win a World Series if it never signed a free agent? Rookie-scale and veteran minimum contracts only.
   18. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 14, 2020 at 02:58 PM (#5983018)
Honest question: could a team win a World Series if it never signed a free agent? Rookie-scale and veteran minimum contracts only.
The Rays are getting very close - we'll find out soon enough.
   19. gehrig97 Posted: October 14, 2020 at 04:11 PM (#5983029)
As long as he doesn't blow up that archaic, gloriously anachronistic broadcast booth. They're the best in the business.
   20. McCoy Posted: October 14, 2020 at 04:58 PM (#5983033)
Have to be an absolute perfect storm of luck and ability but yeah, anything is possible.

   21. McCoy Posted: October 14, 2020 at 05:00 PM (#5983034)
2001 A's came close.
   22. SoSH U at work Posted: October 14, 2020 at 05:23 PM (#5983036)
The Rays are getting very close - we'll find out soon enough.


I wondered that too, but Chucky Morton ruins it for them.
   23. Walt Davis Posted: October 14, 2020 at 06:00 PM (#5983040)
#18 -- Charlie Morton 2/$30. Not a huge contributor this year but a rotation regular all season. A very big contributor last year.

#12 -- the only example I can think of a player opting out of a "mega" contract to sign a mega contract was ARod and that was 13 years ago. JD Drew opted out of a non-mega contract ... that was 13 years ago. I guess Greinke opting out of 6/$150 (owed about 3/$75) to sign with AZ could qualify.

The first ARod mega was a steal. The second worked out to 23 WAR which wasn't a disaster and would have been a lot better if not for the suspension (or possibly a lot worse if not for the reason for the suspension). Pujols and Miggy are terrible but Cano is just fine. Scherzer has put up 28 WAR with a year to go but David Price just 10 with 2 years to go (and not paid anything this year). Stanton's been derailed by injury but still doing OK to this point but still a long 7 years to go. The last 3 years of Votto doesn't look promising but 28 WAR for $225 M is close enough. Kershaw's original 7-year deal would have ended this year at 34 WAR -- he used his opt-out threat to extend by an extra year but that would still be a good deal for $240 M. Fielder was a disaster but at least partially covered by insurance. Mauer's deal pretty much broke even at 22 WAR. Verlander's original 2013-19 deal produced 36 WAR at about $5 M per WAR. Heyward ... not so good.

That gets us through the 25 biggest total $ deals of all-time, excluding the ones still too early and any I might have missed.

Some of those were pretty obvious bad ideas at the time. I'd have given Pujols that sort of AAV but not for 10 years -- still works out badly at (say) 8/$200 but $40 M is not nothing. Extending Miggy 2 years before FA was silly. I don't recall anybody here expecting Fielder to get more than 5 years or so. Price and Heyward though ... a lot of people objected to the length of the Heyward contract (good on 'em) but I didn't particularly so into the "wrong" category it goes.

There's obviously still plenty of time for Stanton and the more recent contracts to go pear-shaped. Harper looked a bit shaky last year but combine with this "year" and he's at a 134 OPS+ and 4.2 WAR/650 which is pretty much exactly what he'd done before that -- now he just needs to keep that up for another 5 years (or hit a peak) then decline gracefully. Machado was shaky last year too but was dynamite this year (more WAR than last year) so 5.4 WAR/650 after 5.5 WAR/650 for 20-25. Mookie, Rendon, Cole, Trout were dynamite this year; Strasburg hurt; Arenado and Yelich a disaster.
   24. Zach Posted: October 14, 2020 at 06:01 PM (#5983041)
2015 Royals were close. Most significant free agents were Kendrys Morales on a comeback contract and Omar Infante on a "what were we thinking" deal.
   25. billyshears Posted: October 14, 2020 at 06:02 PM (#5983042)
I would totally accept a really good ####### team that isn't worth it. For a change. Just to see how it feels.
   26. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 14, 2020 at 07:38 PM (#5983065)
On what basis do you make this claim?

Basic math? The Mets get $200M in shared revenue like everyone else, plus 55% of all their local revenue sources. Forbes puts their total revenue at $362M. They'll have a payroll of about $150M. It's impossible for them to spend $210M on legit non-player expenses.
   27. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 14, 2020 at 10:17 PM (#5983080)

2015 Royals were close. Most significant free agents were Kendrys Morales on a comeback contract and Omar Infante on a "what were we thinking" deal.


And Edinson Volquez and Jason Vargas and Alex Rios on a 1/$12M deal.


Honest question: could a team win a World Series if it never signed a free agent? Rookie-scale and veteran minimum contracts only.


This post-season is kinda showing you can do it without big FA. Here are the biggest free agents on the rosters of the four remaining teams.

Kenley Jansen 5/$80M
Justin Turner 4/$64M
AJ Pollock 4/$55M
Will Smith 3/$40M
Michael Brantley 2/$32M
Charlie Morton 2/$30M
Joe Kelly 3/$25M
Travis d'Arnaud 2/$16M
Marcel Ozuna 1/$18M
Cole Hamels 1/$18M
Chris Martin 2/$14M
Yoshitomo Tsutsugo 2/$12M

The big salaries with either acquired via trade (Mookie Betts, Zack Greinke) or were pre-FA long-term deals (Jose Altuve, Blake Snell)
   28. Random Transaction Generator Posted: October 14, 2020 at 11:57 PM (#5983085)
Honest question: could a team win a World Series if it never signed a free agent? Rookie-scale and veteran minimum contracts only.

The Rays are getting very close - we'll find out soon enough.


Zack Greinke's contract for 2020 ($35.0million) was more than all of the Rays players and pitchers used in tonight's game ($20.372million) against him. Even if Kevin Kiermaier played in the game ($10.0million) it wouldn't have been as much.

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