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Thursday, January 17, 2008

STL Today: Cards consider inviting Juan Gonzalez to their camp

No! LaRussa no want dead man, Igor is dead!

Two-time MVP Juan Gonzalez is seeking another swing at a comeback after nearly three years since his last at-bat, and the Cardinals have discussed extending him an invitation to spring training.

Gonzalez, 38, has been working out at Eduardo Perez’s Winter Training Program in Puerto Rico. The Cardinals, intrigued by descriptions of Gonzalez’s workouts, are exploring the possibility of signing the former All-Star outfielder, but a source cautioned that no deal is completed.

“He really never stopped playing,” said Perez, a former Cardinal and founder of a winter program that offers professional players training facilities in exchange for community work. “He looks great, like he hasn’t missed a beat. His legs look strong. Once a hitter, always a hitter.”

Repoz Posted: January 17, 2008 at 02:21 PM | 31 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. CraigK Posted: January 17, 2008 at 02:44 PM (#2670317)
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Hey; we've already got a glut of OFers in the system. You know who we need? Juan Gonzalez!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
   2. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: January 17, 2008 at 02:46 PM (#2670318)
Wasn't there a rumor going around a few weeks back that the Yankees had inexplicably signed Juan Gonzalez to a 2-year, $2 million contract? I don't recall buying it at the time, but I'm sure I heard it.
   3. Guapo Posted: January 17, 2008 at 02:55 PM (#2670322)
In related news, Bud Selig has retained George Mitchell to write a sequel to the Mitchell Report in anticipation of Juan Gonzalez' comeback.
   4. Lujack Posted: January 17, 2008 at 02:58 PM (#2670326)
Juan would listen if the Tigers called.
   5. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: January 17, 2008 at 03:14 PM (#2670339)
Wasn't his last at-bat with the Indians in 2005 or so? I seem to recall seeing his "return" and watching him get hurt trying to leg out a grounder in his first AB, effectively ending his season.
   6. Nasty Nate Posted: January 17, 2008 at 03:24 PM (#2670347)
The Cardinals, intrigued by descriptions of Gonzalez’s workouts as roid-fueled, are exploring the possibility of signing the former All-Star outfielder...



//sorry
   7. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 17, 2008 at 03:25 PM (#2670351)
Mark Mulder, Chris Carpenter, Matt Clement, Juan Encarnacion, Juan Gonzalez...are they trying to beat Oakland's record for most days used on the disabled list?
   8. Me And Willie McGee (Urban Bovine Knievel) Posted: January 17, 2008 at 03:26 PM (#2670354)
Well, if they're planning to bring back old steroid users, why not Randy Savage? At least he'd be entertaining.
   9. Spahn Insane Posted: January 17, 2008 at 03:35 PM (#2670360)
Randy Savage on the Cards? Dude. I might have to temper my dislike of the Cards if that happened. Think Slim Jim would buy ad space at Busch?
   10. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: January 17, 2008 at 03:40 PM (#2670364)
Wasn't his last at-bat with the Indians in 2005 or so? I seem to recall seeing his "return" and watching him get hurt trying to leg out a grounder in his first AB, effectively ending his season.
Yep. It was a grounder to the third baseman in the first inning. The Indians sat there for two months waiting for JuanGone to finally get healthy, then he blows out his hammy three pitches into his season.

If I recall correctly, though, Gonzalez's hamstring issues in Spring Training were the only reason Grady Sizemore made the team out of camp that year.
   11. Me And Willie McGee (Urban Bovine Knievel) Posted: January 17, 2008 at 03:41 PM (#2670367)
Randy Savage on the Cards? Dude. I might have to temper my dislike of the Cards if that happened. Think Slim Jim would buy ad space at Busch?

Ohhh yeahhhhhh!
   12. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: January 17, 2008 at 03:41 PM (#2670369)
Yep. I recall correctly.

Putting Gonzalez on the disabled list jumbles the Indians lineup. Wedge immediately announced that Casey Blake would move from left to right field and Grady Sizemore would be recalled from Triple-A Buffalo.
   13. Me And Willie McGee (Urban Bovine Knievel) Posted: January 17, 2008 at 03:42 PM (#2670371)
If I recall correctly, though, Gonzalez's hamstring issues in Spring Training were the only reason Grady Sizemore made the team out of camp that year.

Ryan "Golden God" Ludwick getting hurt gave him the starting nod, I had been led to believe.
   14. Me And Willie McGee (Urban Bovine Knievel) Posted: January 17, 2008 at 03:44 PM (#2670373)
And that article clarifies it for me. Thanks.
   15. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: January 17, 2008 at 03:47 PM (#2670376)
Ryan "Golden God" Ludwick getting hurt gave him the starting nod, I had been led to believe.

It certainly made it easier to justify. (That and Ludwick's .077 batting average on April 15th.) But King Grady started 13 of the Indians' first 15 games in '05, so it wasn't like he was suddenly thrust into the lineup when Ludwick got hurt.
   16. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: January 17, 2008 at 03:53 PM (#2670379)
Ideas worse than signing Juan Gonzalez:

1. Removing one's own kidney, without anesthesia, for recreational purposes.
2. GIving all one's life savings to the Mike Gravel For President committee.
3. Trying to convince Kevin he's wrong about steroids.
4. Walking into downtown Tehran and shouting "Death to Mohammed!"
5. New Coke.
   17. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: January 17, 2008 at 04:03 PM (#2670384)
THAT'LL HELP.
   18. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: January 17, 2008 at 04:57 PM (#2670423)
New Coke was a better idea.
   19. Neil Kinnock...Lord Palmerston! (Orinoco) Posted: January 17, 2008 at 05:15 PM (#2670441)
Anticipating the Transaction Oracle joke on this makes me very happy.
   20. "Catching Dianetics" by Dr. L. Ron Karkovice Posted: January 17, 2008 at 05:47 PM (#2670466)
To quote Jim Bowden after his ill-advised signing of Vinny Castilla, Juan Gonzalez "is a proven 100-RBI guy".
   21. joker24 Posted: January 17, 2008 at 06:34 PM (#2670511)
Ryan "Golden God" Ludwick


Cardinals have their new targets...guys who blocked Grady Sizemore. Anyone else out there?
   22. Miguel Posted: January 17, 2008 at 07:04 PM (#2670538)
I wish we still had Bonilla.
   23. catomi01 Posted: January 17, 2008 at 07:24 PM (#2670550)
im pretty sure i remember someone with that name, and matching his description sucking an awful lot two years ago against Atlantic League pitching...of course small sample size applies as he only really played in about a game every 2 weeks for 6 months.
   24. phredbird Posted: January 17, 2008 at 07:41 PM (#2670558)
we need him. there's always one guy on the team i really really hate. it used to be fernando vina, then tino 'pop-up-with-RISP' martinez. juan encarnacion was the guy for a while, but i feel kind of sheepish having any negative thoughts about him after his eye injury. j-gon would fit the bill.
   25. Spahn Insane Posted: January 17, 2008 at 07:45 PM (#2670564)
of course small sample size applies as he only really played in about a game every 2 weeks for 6 months.

RDF.

we need him. there's always one guy on the team i really really hate. it used to be fernando vina

Funny--something Cub and Card fans can agree on. I always hated Vina the most among the Cardinals of those years--think it was a combination of the cheesy devil goatee and the fact that he always seemed to hit against the Cubs while sucking against everyone else.
   26. salvomania Posted: January 17, 2008 at 08:06 PM (#2670580)
he always seemed to hit against the Cubs while sucking against everyone else.

Vina, career:
.282/.348/.379
343 rbi in 4240 atbats (1 per 12.4 ab)

Vina vs. Cubs, career:

.342/.413/.457
32 rbi in 269 ab (1 per 8.4 ab)
   27. John Lynch Posted: January 17, 2008 at 08:14 PM (#2670586)
Cardinals have their new targets...guys who blocked Grady Sizemore. Anyone else out there?

Guys who blocked Grady Sizemore are the new market inefficiency.

[ducks quickly]
   28. Spahn Insane Posted: January 17, 2008 at 08:25 PM (#2670596)
Vina vs. Cubs, career:

.342/.413/.457
32 rbi in 269 ab (1 per 8.4 ab)


Thanks. So I wasn't just imagining things...
   29. Sparkles Peterson Posted: January 17, 2008 at 09:09 PM (#2670634)
Cardinals have their new targets...guys who blocked Grady Sizemore. Anyone else out there?


They're a superstitious lot trying to make sure that Rasmus makes good on those Sizemore comps maybe.
   30. GrantGreat Posted: January 24, 2008 at 03:51 AM (#2675118)
has anyone on here actually done any research on Juan Gonzalez? This guy did not do roids. He is just hated on by the media because he is shy and he sucks at English. If you are familiar with his history and his stats at all it is pretty clear there are not quick inflations or drop offs in his stats. Yes, his first few seasons he was pretty dang skinny. But the guy was 19 years old his rookie season! I mean seriously, everybody knows that males continue to develop physically up until the age of 25. His first full season he hit 27 bombs and then in his 2nd full season at the age of just 22 he hit 43 and he was probably the biggest size if his career. Guys can easily fill out at the age of 21 or 22 years of age. It's not uncommon, and even early scouting reports at the age of 16 say that he had a big and strong upper-body (for his age). Also his personal history is an issue here. Growing up in Puerto Rico he was given two options, do drugs or get beat up. He chose not to, partly because his older brother died early on in life because of drug abuse. Juan is also a vegetarian. How many vegetarians do you know that are roid-heads? He's not like Barry or Sammy who's, bodies grew tremendously in their early to late 30's. In fact he actually slimmed down a little in his 30's. He also had no big drop off in stats, he just couldn't stay healthy. And not just later in his career, he had always had health issues, they just became more detrimental as his age increased. It's not like this guy played in 162 games for 6 years and then lived on the disable list. I mean he only played in 150 games or more twice in his career. As far as the stats aspect goes: In '03, the last season in which he was healthy a decent amount of time, he hit 24 hr's and had 70 rbi's in just 82 games, stats that would equal 48 hr's and 140 rbi's throughout a whole season. Nothing shabby there, he was also leading the majors at one point with 19 hr's. In '04 he played barely over a month and wasn't terrible but wasn't real great either. But honestly, you can't make huge judgments on a player over one month. Everybody know the '05 story in which he had 1 AB. His name does not appear in the Mitchell Report except for the 01 incident which was thrown out right after it occured by MLB and those investigating it because of a lack of evidence. Also someone else claimed the bag. This just recently (a couple of years ago) re-surfaced and people for some reason seem to think there is a validity that is not there.

Is his career in the majors over? probably. but i just can't stand that people assume that every big guy that hit homers was on roids. Unless there is an obvious increase or drop in stats and obvious head size different please don't hate on people just because... It's not fair to those (although there may be few) who actually played the game right. I mean, in America people are innocent until proven guilty right?
   31. cardsfanboy Posted: January 24, 2008 at 04:22 AM (#2675126)
only one person said anything about Gonzo being a roid user, tow other guys replied about Randy Savage.

Gonzo is most likely done, but I'll rarely knock a team for giving a former major leaguer a chance to show he can return. I just don't want them to block guys who are clearly better, the Cardinals have three offensive outfielders who are all going to be better than Juan almost no matter what.

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