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Tuesday, October 18, 2005

STL Today: Miklasz: Pujols tears hole through heart of Texas

The Astros cry - ki-holy-####-yi!
Deep in the heart of Texas

No, Pujols hit a real man’s homer.

It climbed above those Crawford boxes, above the brick walls, and above the train tracks that adorn the top of left field.

The home run was measured at 412 feet, which is absolute fiction, and a joke - because this baby had to carry about 435, 450 feet.

No matter how far it traveled, it surely caused extensive damage in Houston.

Repoz Posted: October 18, 2005 at 11:34 AM | 105 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. philevans3154 Posted: October 18, 2005 at 12:10 PM (#1690596)
From Brian Burwell-

Pujols has hit a ton of homers in five years in St. Louis, but none left his bat with the raw urgency and arrogant disregard of this clout.

What the hell does that mean?
   2. Dr. Vaux Posted: October 18, 2005 at 12:33 PM (#1690606)
It means we've got a guy who some high-school teacher said was a good writer, and he hasn't ever gone about trying to improve.
   3. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: October 18, 2005 at 12:34 PM (#1690607)
I think it means someone fancies themselves to be Thomas Boswell
   4. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: October 18, 2005 at 12:38 PM (#1690609)
"I kicked the ball, and there it was in the back of the net!"
   5. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: October 18, 2005 at 12:39 PM (#1690611)
####, Roger Angell, I meant Roger Angell.
   6. SG Posted: October 18, 2005 at 01:04 PM (#1690622)
That was a true holy #### moment. The crowd went from celebrating the pennant to sheer silence at the crack of the bat.
   7. JMM Posted: October 18, 2005 at 01:21 PM (#1690641)
No matter how far it traveled, it surely caused extensive damage in Houston.

Unless Houston wins on Wednesday or Thursday, in which case it just caused a minor fleshwound.
   8. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 18, 2005 at 01:35 PM (#1690667)
I like the idea that instead of a "rent-a-pitcher" the ball is placed in the hands of Mr. Roy Oswalt, one of Houston's homegrown products.

Here's hoping for another great game.

To beat the rush I will predict now that if Houston somehow loses the sixth game Roger will get rocked in game seven.

And of course these words mean I hate Houston, the Astros, cowboys, oil, Lyndon Johnson, Sam Bowie, and all things Texas.

Well, I don't think much of LBJ but otherwise folks thinking that would be wrong.
   9. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 18, 2005 at 01:38 PM (#1690672)
Does anyone else think the umpire should have rung up Larry Walker right before he walked in the third, setting up Grudz's two out, two run single? Seems like the ump wanted to, but then didn't want to seem like he was "screwing" the Cards again.

Anyway, mad props to the Cards for never giving up like past Card teams have. If a team was going to come back from a 3-1 deficit, I wouldn't put it past this one.
   10. 50Senescent Posted: October 18, 2005 at 01:50 PM (#1690691)
He tore them a new poo hole.
   11. White Sox Fan Posted: October 18, 2005 at 01:59 PM (#1690703)
412 feet?? Going up, maybe, but it also had to come down eventually.
   12. DTS Posted: October 18, 2005 at 02:30 PM (#1690745)
That was a lot of fun. Baseball is good.
   13. alio intuito Posted: October 18, 2005 at 02:35 PM (#1690755)
Does anyone else think the umpire should have rung up Larry Walker right before he walked in the third, setting up Grudz's two out, two run single?

Well, it looked like it was pretty much the same pitch that got Edmonds all steamed up in Sunday's game, but I thought it was a ball then as well. The greatest thing about the Cardinals' comeback was that it shut up the FOX announcing crew for just a little while. They want the Astros to win so badly they might as well openly admit it. I know that FOX is hardly a bastion of objectivity but you would at least think they could broadcast sporting events without bias.
   14. jmac66 Posted: October 18, 2005 at 02:59 PM (#1690786)
but none left his bat with the raw urgency and arrogant disregard of this clout.

What the hell does that mean?


let's just hope that (forget)stick George Will doesn't feel compelled to comment on it
   15. 1k5v3L Posted: October 18, 2005 at 03:18 PM (#1690813)
I turned off the TV after the 8th inning, only to wake up to this. Pooholes can play on my team any day.
   16. CraigK Posted: October 18, 2005 at 03:25 PM (#1690823)
New nick.... ---^
   17. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: October 18, 2005 at 03:28 PM (#1690828)
Pooholes can play on my team any day.

I think they already do, levski.
   18. 1k5v3L Posted: October 18, 2005 at 03:34 PM (#1690841)
touche.
   19. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 18, 2005 at 03:47 PM (#1690863)
I would think FOX would want St. Louis in the World Series, you know, best fans in baseball and all watch TV more than Houstonians. Besides, they employ Joe Buck and Tim McCarver.
   20. Bunny Vincennes Posted: October 18, 2005 at 03:47 PM (#1690864)
The greatest thing about the Cardinals' comeback was that it shut up the FOX announcing crew for just a little while. They want the Astros to win so badly they might as well openly admit it. I know that FOX is hardly a bastion of objectivity but you would at least think they could broadcast sporting events without bias.

Indeed it did. I was awesome. Brenaman was on some sort of marathon rant about every tiny historical event that ever took place at that dump the Astrodome (just after calling Billy Doran an "All-Time Gamer!") and Pujols sucked the wind out that that windbag and every other person in the stadium. The Miss said, "Holy ####, its like everyone in that stadium died at exactly the same time." Indeed it was. Incredible. Lets go Cards.
   21. More Dewey is Always Good Posted: October 18, 2005 at 04:00 PM (#1690901)
Lets go Cards.

Vincennes must be the only Cubs fan in existence who's actually rooting for a Sox-Cards World Series.

I must admit (and I apologise for taking this thread off-topic), the Cubs fans are taking all this much better than White Sox fans took the 2003 season. I got several congratulatory calls from Cub fan relatives of mine. I now feel bad for every petty thought I ever directed towards the Cubs.
   22. Urban Faber Posted: October 18, 2005 at 04:09 PM (#1690922)
The Cubs fans here are excellent folks.

Billy Doran, like Brennaman, is a Cincinnati native, so I guess there's a bond there. Someone in the game thread had a hilarious Brennaman imitation, talking about the Houston Colt .45s and all, in the top of the ninth. Although after reading JV's post maybe he was just transcribing what Thom said.

I had KMOX on because no radio station in Chicago deemed Game 5 worthy of carrying ... the announcers were going through the "lasts" at Busch Stadium in the top of the ninth. I guess they can throw that list out.
   23. 1k5v3L Posted: October 18, 2005 at 04:09 PM (#1690923)
fearless prediction:

if the cards can force game 7, they'll beat the living sh!t out of meathead.
   24. 1k5v3L Posted: October 18, 2005 at 04:10 PM (#1690924)
Brennaman is a tool. What a total bs display of nepotism...
   25. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: October 18, 2005 at 04:12 PM (#1690927)
I want to see the Astros make it to the WS, but I'm glad the Cards are not going down quietly, either. What a game!
   26. jmac66 Posted: October 18, 2005 at 04:13 PM (#1690928)
its like everyone in that stadium died at exactly the same time

don't kid yourself--they did (they just don't know it yet)
   27. Bunny Vincennes Posted: October 18, 2005 at 04:17 PM (#1690931)
Vincennes must be the only Cubs fan in existence who's actually rooting for a Sox-Cards World Series.

Well, believe me, its weird. However, I think the Sox and the Cards were the two best teams coming into the post season. I'm a baseball fan (not without scads of bias, mind you) and I want to see a great World Series. And for some reason, I hate Bagwell and Biggio as much much as TLR/Edmonds. I can root for Pujols easily. Berkman? Rocket? No and no.

Billy Doran, like Brennaman, is a Cincinnati native, so I guess there's a bond there. Someone in the game thread had a hilarious Brennaman imitation, talking about the Houston Colt .45s and all, in the top of the ninth. Although after reading JV's post maybe he was just transcribing what Thom said.

I knew Thom was a Cincy guy, but didn't know that about The All-Time Gamer. I realize he played there, but didn't know it was a homecoming for him. That Brennaman imitation was so spot on, I couldn't believe it. The cadence was perfect.
   28. JMM Posted: October 18, 2005 at 04:19 PM (#1690934)
To beat the rush I will predict now that if Houston somehow loses the sixth game Roger will get rocked in game seven.

Think La Russa has already put in the call to Dave Stewart asking him to sit right behind the backstop?
   29. 1k5v3L Posted: October 18, 2005 at 04:21 PM (#1690936)
damn, I didn't see Harveys prediction when i wrote 23...
   30. Jeff K. Posted: October 18, 2005 at 04:29 PM (#1690955)
Watching the game here in Austin with a friend from St. Louis (and me being a Cards fan, also), when the pitch left Lidge's hand, I yelled "Hung it!" as my friend nearly jumped out of his skull screaming. We were not the most popular people in the bar.

And of course these words mean I hate Houston, the Astros, cowboys, oil, Lyndon Johnson, Sam Bowie, and all things Texas.

Houston - Hate
Astros - Hate
cowboys - Okay
Cowboys - Hate
oil - Okay
LBJ - Love
Bowie - Meh

All things Texas - them's fighting words.
   31. Rowland Office Supplies Posted: October 18, 2005 at 04:29 PM (#1690956)
How can you bag on Berkman like that? He was the Chevrolet Player of the Game last night, you know.

Anybody up for a thread on what a sham CPOTG voting is?

Oh, come on. Where's the outrage?
   32. Bunny Vincennes Posted: October 18, 2005 at 04:31 PM (#1690959)
Here was the Brennaman parody from the Game Chatter, still good stuff:

Marc Sully the Backstop Posted: October 17, 2005 at 11:30 PM (#1690097)
"And who can forget the birth of the Houston Colt 45's, with whom Jack Buck was familiar and of course Buck told the St. Louis crowd to go crazy after Ozzie Smith broke ground on a beautiful park in downtown St. Louis, 20 years to the day after he hit his memorable home run against the Dodgers, who have such a storied history of their own, what with Sandy Koufax and Don Drysdale and of course Tommy LaSorda, whose first name kind of sounds like Tony LaRussa's. And what must be going through Tony LaRussa's mind as he watched the team he started with go to the World Series 46 years after Nellie Fox, Luis Aparicio and the Go-Go White Sox did it..."
   33. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: October 18, 2005 at 04:34 PM (#1690965)
I got several congratulatory calls from Cub fan relatives of mine. I now feel bad for every petty thought I ever directed towards the Cubs.

That's right, Cubs fans have class. White Sox fans are simply lower class.

Burn!
   34. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: October 18, 2005 at 04:35 PM (#1690966)
Think La Russa has already put in the call to Dave Stewart asking him to sit right behind the backstop?


He'd do better putting a call in to Terry Cooney and seeing if he'd like to be behind home plate for the game
   35. 1k5v3L Posted: October 18, 2005 at 04:41 PM (#1690977)
   36. WillYoung Posted: October 18, 2005 at 04:42 PM (#1690978)
LBJ - Love

How can anybody love LBJ? Seriously, I'm dying to know. He has to be, by all accounts, one of the biggest pieces of #### in US history.

*Note* LBJ's domestic policies are pretty likable, I'm talking about him as an actual human being.
   37. Jeff K. Posted: October 18, 2005 at 04:51 PM (#1690991)
How can anybody love LBJ? Seriously, I'm dying to know. He has to be, by all accounts, one of the biggest pieces of #### in US history.

Well, I didn't really mean him as a person, but to answer, because anyone from Texas knows someone exactly like him. It's like loving Boomhauer on King of the Hill. Of course he was a dick. I'm a dick. If I ever became President, I would probably be exactly like him.

*Note* LBJ's domestic policies are pretty likable,

This is actually what I meant, though. And also because the LBJ library is here at UT, and it's one of the best things in Austin.
   38. Dr. Vaux Posted: October 18, 2005 at 04:56 PM (#1690998)
You know, in some moods I'd say exactly the same thing as Jeff K.

Veteran Primer posters probably could figure that out, though...


The Cardinals will not get my hopes up. I did not watch game 5, I will not watch game 6, and in the event of a game 7, I will certainly not watch that. They will not win this series. They won't. They just are not going to do it. Period.

>sticks fingers in ears, hums theme from the smurfs<
   39. DCA Posted: October 18, 2005 at 05:07 PM (#1691009)
Think La Russa has already put in the call to Dave Stewart asking him to sit right behind the backstop?

How cool would it be if he actually brought in Stewart to pitch? I bet he'd win, too. That guy owned Clemens.
   40. jmac66 Posted: October 18, 2005 at 05:18 PM (#1691033)
Anybody up for a thread on what a sham CPOTG voting is?

Oh, come on. Where's the outrage?


it's who you know
   41. More Dewey is Always Good Posted: October 18, 2005 at 05:21 PM (#1691038)
It's like loving Boomhauer on King of the Hill.


Isn't that the one who mumbles?

I never thought he was a dick.
   42. KDub's CellPiece (BLtDH) Posted: October 18, 2005 at 05:21 PM (#1691039)
That's right, Cubs fans have class. White Sox fans are simply lower class.

You're right on there. It's gonna be tough for me to trudge down to the ghetto on the south side to see the white sox PLAY IN THE WORLD SERIES.

that's really gonna suck for me. hey, at least you have your class.
   43. Schilling's Sprained Ankiel Posted: October 18, 2005 at 05:31 PM (#1691053)
I think he must mean Dale Gribble. That guy's a di ck.
DB
   44. Baldrick Posted: October 18, 2005 at 05:34 PM (#1691059)
LBJ from 1963-1965 had one of the best runs of a presidency in American history. And, while a lot of the blame for Vietnam goes on him, it's at least plausible to me that he really didn't understand how unwinnable the war was until the second meeting of the Wise Men.

If not for Vietnam, LBJ would have been one of the best presidents of all time. Of course, that's like saying Jimmy Carter would have been one of the best presidents of all time if he had been able to accomplish his agenda.

And LBJ the person was clearly a jerk.
   45. The Balls of Summer Posted: October 18, 2005 at 05:36 PM (#1691064)
I never thought he was a dick

There's a story I've heard, don't know if it's true. When LBJ was running for Senate, his campaign decided to put out a rumor that his opponent (forgets) sheep. LBJ was rumored to have said, "Let's make the bastard deny it."

If that's true, he's a dick, but it's pretty funny.
   46. jmac66 Posted: October 18, 2005 at 05:38 PM (#1691068)
LBJ from 1963-1965 had one of the best runs of a presidency in American history

that's only because he got to bat with a lot of advisors in scoring position
   47. greenback needs a ride, not ammo Posted: October 18, 2005 at 05:45 PM (#1691078)
And of course these words mean I hate ... Sam Bowie, and all things Texas.

How can you dislike Sam Bowie? Are you an Illinois alum or something?
   48. Jeff K. Posted: October 18, 2005 at 05:50 PM (#1691093)
Isn't that the one who mumbles?

I never thought he was a dick.


I meant "It's like loving Boomhauer on King of the Hill" in reference to the sentence before, "everyone in Texas knows someone like him" rather than the sentence after, "Of course he's a dick."
   49. jmac66 Posted: October 18, 2005 at 05:51 PM (#1691095)
Sam Bowie, and all things Texas

Sam (Houston, Jim)Bowie

all those Alamoans look alike
   50. Dr. Vaux Posted: October 18, 2005 at 05:58 PM (#1691108)
Vietnam was Kennedy's fault.

Well really it was Eisenhower's fault, but Kennedy didn't have any balls when it came down to it.

>runs<
   51. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: October 18, 2005 at 06:07 PM (#1691125)
Vietnam was Kennedy's fault.

Well really it was Eisenhower's fault, but Kennedy didn't have any balls when it came down to it.


More to the point, Nixon and McCarthy spooked an entire generation of Democrats to death with their "Who Lost China?" demagoguery, and this carried over into Vietnam, to the point where you could fairly argue that this was the main underlying reason we intervened so strongly in the first place.
   52. Jeff K. Posted: October 18, 2005 at 06:11 PM (#1691127)
Sam Bowie, and all things Texas

Sam (Houston, Jim)Bowie

all those Alamoans look alike


Oh, I really thought he meant Sam Bowie, the basketball player.
   53. TOLAXOR Posted: October 18, 2005 at 06:18 PM (#1691139)
THE HOME RUN IS ALL WELL AND GOOD, BUT IT'S LIKE EVERYONE IS FORGETTING THAT STL MUST BEAT OSWALT AND CLEMENS IN ORDER TO GAIN ENTRANCE...


ASTROS CLINCH TOMORROW....


:( SAD TOLAXOR....
   54. WillYoung Posted: October 18, 2005 at 06:18 PM (#1691141)
that's only because he got to bat with a lot of advisors in scoring position

Not true. Kennedy had those same advisers, yet he hadn't/wouldn't have been able to push the Great Society through. Instead, it happened because LBJ already had cultivated the Senate, was a Southerner, and was able to give The Treatment (basically cutting someone off from the rest of the world and effectively blacklisting him until one day he would decide that it had gone on long enough and he would suddenly act as if nothing had over come between them) to anyone opposing him.
   55. Dr. Vaux Posted: October 18, 2005 at 06:32 PM (#1691156)
Precisely, Andy. It's interesting, really; it could be argued that McCarthy (a convenient symbol, but of course it goes back much farther) set in motion the inexorable destruction of the Democratic Party, and with it the American Republic. After all, if there were still Democrats, then there'd still be free elections, most probably.
   56. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: October 18, 2005 at 06:33 PM (#1691157)
regardless of redbaiting and the like from the mccarthy/nixon types, it's still mainly Kennedy and LBJ's fault that we got involved in Vietnam. just because the decision was made easier by the culture at the time doesn't mean they're absolved at ALL of their mistakes. especially Kennedy, who was about as ardent an anti-communist as they come.

and... YAY ST. LOUIS!
   57. Spahn Insane Posted: October 18, 2005 at 06:35 PM (#1691159)
All I can say is, I hope Lidge doesn't go the Donnie Moore route, either professionally or (god forbid) personally. Seriously. 'Cause game 5 of the ALCS is the only game I can think of that compares to last night's (pending the outcome of this series, of course)--one strike away from a pennant clincher on your home field.

Actually, not many people remember that the Angels actually battled back after the Baylor and Henderson homers in the top of the 9th to tie the game and force extra innings. That in and of itself had to take serious balls.

As I said last night--I dislike the Astros almost as much as I dislike the Cardinals, making it easy to root for the White Sox in the series (though the kind words of Red and JRE are appreciated). But even so, I don't wish the pain the juicebox crowd was certainly feeling last night on any fans.
   58. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 18, 2005 at 06:38 PM (#1691162)
More to the point, Nixon and McCarthy spooked an entire generation of Democrats to death with their "Who Lost China?" demagoguery, and this carried over into Vietnam, to the point where you could fairly argue that this was the main underlying reason we intervened so strongly in the first place.

God forbid Democrats stand up for themselves and enact what's right instead of what's popular.
   59. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: October 18, 2005 at 06:44 PM (#1691171)
God forbid Democrats stand up for themselves and enact what's right instead of what's popular.

but that loses elections! we have to move to the center and make them all happy with us and make sure the republicans can't call us bad names!
   60. Voodoo Posted: October 18, 2005 at 06:49 PM (#1691179)
How in the HELLL did a thread devoted to an all time great homerun, turn into this shitt?
   61. Vance W Posted: October 18, 2005 at 06:54 PM (#1691182)
Vietnam was an understandable mistake. After the Cold War is over it's easy to forget that there were not only reprehensible redbaiters out there, but also a genuine threat posed by Soviet power. Kennedy, LBJ, made a mistake by viewing the situation as part of the greater superpower struggle rather than a nationalist uprising but given the times, I'm not sure it was so clear cut. I realize it's easy for me to take a broad view since I was too young for Vietnam and lost nobody to the conflict. My apologies to those with a more painful experience.

LBJ's domestic legacy is secure: Civil Rights Act, Voting Rights Act, Great Society (with a halving of the poverty rate). He was a genuine prick but at least he was on our side.
   62. The Balls of Summer Posted: October 18, 2005 at 06:55 PM (#1691184)
THE HOME RUN IS ALL WELL AND GOOD, BUT IT'S LIKE EVERYONE IS FORGETTING THAT STL MUST BEAT OSWALT AND CLEMENS IN ORDER TO GAIN ENTRANCE...

Yep, and all the Marlins had to do was beat Prior and Wood in Chicago.
   63. jmac66 Posted: October 18, 2005 at 07:06 PM (#1691198)
How in the HELLL did a thread devoted to an all time great homerun, turn into this shitt?


he's right

(forget) it--lets just blame it all on the Frogs and that'll be it

(Dien Bien Phu THIS)
   64. DTS Posted: October 18, 2005 at 07:06 PM (#1691200)
Yep, and all the Marlins had to do was beat Prior and Wood in Chicago.

Until last night I'd totally forgotten that the Fish were that out of it. All I remembered was Bartman. Amazing feat.
   65. Dr. Vaux Posted: October 18, 2005 at 07:06 PM (#1691203)
That's why it will be interesting to see what the New Order has to say about LBJ. Not that my kids will be going to school, at least not in this country, but on the one hand, Republicans will teach about his outmoded, obsolete, l****** policies, and on the other, he was an anti-communist, and a president who kept the country wrapped up in a ludicrous war despite intense internal dissent. He's going to be a somewhat problematic figure for them.

What a great, great web site that we could turn a thread about an historic home run into a discussion about LBJ, Kennedy, and the Vietnam War, all in the space of a couple of posts. It sort of parallels what happened to Lidge and the Astros last night...
   66. Nasty Nate Posted: October 18, 2005 at 07:07 PM (#1691204)
...also posted in dugout:

Roger Clemens was in attendance for the Moore-Henderson game, the Buckner-Schiraldi game, the Luis Gonzalez-Rivera game, the Boone-Grady Little game, and now the Pujols game (starting all of them except the ALCS game 5 twins).

Was his pregnant-with-him mother in Pittsburgh for Mazeroski in 1960?

....also, he figured in other such famous games as 2 20-K games, the Eye black ejection game vs the A's, the Zimmer vs Pedro game, 2004 NLCS game 7, the 18 inning NLDS clincher, and now possibly yet another game 7 start. And I'm sure I missed some important playoff games he pitched for the yankees.
   67. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 18, 2005 at 07:19 PM (#1691222)
What a great, great web site that we could turn a thread about an historic home run into a discussion about LBJ, Kennedy, and the Vietnam War, all in the space of a couple of posts. It sort of parallels what happened to Lidge and the Astros last night...


Harry Truman, Doris Day, Red China, Johnny Ray
Dien Pien Phu falls, communist bloc
Josh Paul throws the ball, ump makes a bad call
Angels can't hit, Chicago rocks

Phil Cuzzi calls a strike
Tell Jim Edmonds "take a hike!"
Brad Lidge blown away, what else do I have to say?
   68. Dr. Vaux Posted: October 18, 2005 at 07:36 PM (#1691241)
good show.
   69. Vance W Posted: October 18, 2005 at 07:40 PM (#1691251)
Harry Truman, Doris Day, Red China, Johnny Ray
Dien Pien Phu falls, communist bloc
Josh Paul throws the ball, ump makes a bad call
Angels can't hit, Chicago rocks

Phil Cuzzi calls a strike
Tell Jim Edmonds "take a hike!"
Brad Lidge blown away, what else do I have to say?


an excerpt from "We didn't start the thread"
   70. and Posted: October 18, 2005 at 07:49 PM (#1691267)
Vietnam was Kennedy's fault.

Well really it was Eisenhower's fault, but Kennedy didn't have any balls when it came down to it.


It was Truman's fault for not conquering the friggin' world when we had the chance.

Or, possibly Hoover's. Just 'cause.

----

Like someone said above, I hope the Stros come back and win the damn series so Lidge doesn't go down in history with the great goats who got fukked by LBJ's opponents.
   71. More Dewey is Always Good Posted: October 18, 2005 at 07:53 PM (#1691269)
It was Truman's fault for not conquering the friggin' world when we had the chance.

Or, possibly Hoover's. Just 'cause.


I still blame William Randolph Hearst.
   72. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: October 18, 2005 at 08:00 PM (#1691285)
Posted by Peter Gammons:
And Warren Harding.
   73. Dr. Vaux Posted: October 18, 2005 at 08:02 PM (#1691291)
And there is a fitting capper for this thread.
   74. DCW3 Posted: October 18, 2005 at 08:04 PM (#1691296)
Can we at least agree that Albert Pujols would be the greatest President in US history and that the Constitution should immediately be amended to allow this?
   75. jmac66 Posted: October 18, 2005 at 08:07 PM (#1691301)
Or, possibly Hoover's. Just 'cause.

J.Edgar or Herbert?

yiz fuzzy-minded one-worlders, all a yiz
   76. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: October 18, 2005 at 08:08 PM (#1691304)
Well, he's old enough to serve...
   77. Psychedelic Red Pants Posted: October 18, 2005 at 08:08 PM (#1691306)
Can we at least agree that Albert Pujols would be the greatest President in US history and that the Constitution should immediately be amended to allow this?

Doesn't he meet the age requirement already?
   78. Bunny Vincennes Posted: October 18, 2005 at 08:09 PM (#1691307)
I hope Lidge doesn't go all Donnie Moore, but I don't think there is any shame in giving up a home run to arguably the best player in the game. I know the circumstance is epic, but still.
   79. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: October 18, 2005 at 08:09 PM (#1691308)
The Inevitable Will Happen Eventually, I think it did.
   80. Psychedelic Red Pants Posted: October 18, 2005 at 08:10 PM (#1691310)
Doh, beaten to the punch.
   81. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: October 18, 2005 at 08:17 PM (#1691326)
I still blame William Randolph Hearst.

You guys are beating a dead horse with this "jose reyes leadoff" thing.
   82. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: October 18, 2005 at 08:18 PM (#1691328)
Vietnam was an understandable mistake. After the Cold War is over it's easy to forget that there were not only reprehensible redbaiters out there, but also a genuine threat posed by Soviet power. Kennedy, LBJ, made a mistake by viewing the situation as part of the greater superpower struggle rather than a nationalist uprising but given the times, I'm not sure it was so clear cut. I realize it's easy for me to take a broad view since I was too young for Vietnam and lost nobody to the conflict. My apologies to those with a more painful experience.

LBJ's domestic legacy is secure: Civil Rights Act, Voting Rights Act, Great Society (with a halving of the poverty rate). He was a genuine prick but at least he was on our side.


You got it just about right. The North Vietnamese were brutal bastards who showed their colors long before Dienbienphu, but of course in the long run all we accomplished with our clumsy intervention was to drive people either into the hands of the Communists or onto the rope ladders of our helicopters.

More to the point, Nixon and McCarthy spooked an entire generation of Democrats to death with their "Who Lost China?" demagoguery, and this carried over into Vietnam, to the point where you could fairly argue that this was the main underlying reason we intervened so strongly in the first place.

God forbid Democrats stand up for themselves and enact what's right instead of what's popular.


Point well taken, but in truth the Democrats were every bit as sincerely hawkish as the Republicans until well after the American intervention was under way. The Gulf of Tonkin resolution passed with exactly two (2) dissenting votes, and for the most part even the relatively dovish journalists like David Halberstam and Neil Sheehan weren't calling for withdrawal. Only a handful of true outsiders like I.F. Stone saw through the official line right from the beginning.
   83. DCW3 Posted: October 18, 2005 at 08:25 PM (#1691340)
You guys are beating a dead horse with this "jose reyes leadoff" thing.

Brilliant.

"You provide the shortstop...I'll provide the outs."
   84. KDub's CellPiece (BLtDH) Posted: October 18, 2005 at 08:28 PM (#1691349)
How in the HELLL did a thread devoted to an all time great homerun, turn into this shitt?

that's just what happens around here - normally during the winter but whatever
   85. dm Posted: October 18, 2005 at 08:34 PM (#1691364)
Bill King just passed away

Bill King
   86. jmac66 Posted: October 18, 2005 at 08:37 PM (#1691367)
"You provide the shortstop...I'll provide the outs."

"Pete Rose-Bud Selig"

<clunk>
   87. jmac66 Posted: October 18, 2005 at 08:38 PM (#1691369)
"You provide the shortstop...I'll provide the outs."

"Pete Rose-Bud Selig"

<clunk>
   88. alio intuito Posted: October 18, 2005 at 08:40 PM (#1691375)
Bill King just passed away

Well that just sucks. I remember him from the Warriors games when I lived in the Bay area in the 1970's; I always thought of him as a breath of fresh air, especially compared to the typical, "party line" broadcasters that tend to dominate the air waves. My condolences to his family.
   89. Dr. Chaleeko Posted: October 18, 2005 at 08:45 PM (#1691390)
Anyone think that Bagwell or Palmeiro should have batted for Everett in the second? Couldn't Bruntlett play short for seven innings? I say go for the jugular in the second.

And what the f*ck was Garner thinking about bunting Burke in the first? The first!!???!!
   90. Bunny Vincennes Posted: October 18, 2005 at 08:52 PM (#1691408)
Garner amuses me with all of his stratergy. I really liked it when during the 18 inning game he had about 6 guys playing out of position. That scorecard of Milo Hamilton's must have been a mess.
   91. KDub's CellPiece (BLtDH) Posted: October 18, 2005 at 08:57 PM (#1691419)
one thing about garner that's yet to be talked about is his dislike for the white sox - both when he was with the brewers and subsequently the tigers they have a few good beanball/bench-clearing incidents with the sox.

i'll always remember the Hawk railing on garner back then.

but ya gotta love his 'stache

bl
   92. Bunny Vincennes Posted: October 18, 2005 at 09:02 PM (#1691428)
one thing about garner that's yet to be talked about is his dislike for the white sox - both when he was with the brewers and subsequently the tigers they have a few good beanball/bench-clearing incidents with the sox.

i'll always remember the Hawk railing on garner back then.

but ya gotta love his 'stache


I was thinking about that. I believe at one point Garner and Hawk agreed to throw down. Selig killed a hot rivalry when the Brewers defected to the NL.

There were also some great fistfights in the stands between Brewer and Sox fans.
   93. More Dewey is Always Good Posted: October 18, 2005 at 09:06 PM (#1691433)
Selig killed a hot rivalry when the Brewers defected to the NL.


I agree. Sox/Brewers games were always worth watching, even when neither team was very good.

I'm too lazy to look it up, but I believe a Sox/Brewers game still holds the AL record for most innings (21 or so).
   94. KDub's CellPiece (BLtDH) Posted: October 18, 2005 at 09:08 PM (#1691435)
i'd love to see a hawk-garner cage match with DJ and Piniella in teh booth.
   95. KDub's CellPiece (BLtDH) Posted: October 18, 2005 at 09:12 PM (#1691441)
i'd love to see a hawk-garner cage match with DJ and Piniella in teh booth.
   96. Bunny Vincennes Posted: October 18, 2005 at 09:18 PM (#1691458)
I'd put my money on Scrap Iron any day of the week in that matchup.
   97. Bob T Posted: October 18, 2005 at 09:18 PM (#1691460)
A Sox/Brewers game went 25 innings!

May 8 and 9, 1984 - White Sox 7, Brewers 6

It was the longest game by time in major league history.
   98. More Dewey is Always Good Posted: October 18, 2005 at 09:24 PM (#1691471)
Wow, seven scoreless innings by Juan Agosto!

That's unpossible.
   99. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: October 18, 2005 at 09:28 PM (#1691486)
LBJ had a memorable & genuine earthy style. He'd sho his scar to the press corps. He's lift his dog up by the ear and twist it around. I heard a phone conversation (like JFK and Nixon, he had a taping system in place in the White House) with him once with a tailor about getting new pants made for him, and he belches once or twice and doesn't apologize. Tells the guy to make it long enough for his "nutsack." When cajoling votes for people he'd poke and prod them, and one Congressman distinguished between the "full Lyndon" physical treatment with the "half Lyndon" depending on how much personal contact was involved.

My favorite is that when an advisor asked why he didn't pressure J. Edgar Hoover to resign despite policy differences during the Civil Rights movement, he said "I'd rather have Edgar insdie the tent p1ssing out, rather than outside p1ssing in."

Another time he had a reporter with him on his ranch in Texas, and the guy had written a story he didn't like. LBJ silently motiond to him to come along with him in LBJ's car, they drove out for a bit on his ranch without saying a word, then LBJ stopped the car, took out the story, walked out with it, took his pants off, took a sh1t on the story, and they drove back. All this without a word being exchanged. A heard an old reporter mentino that his favorite gifts to give out to people while on international trips were little busts made of LBJ. He once stopped by the Vatican on the spur of the moment, gave an unexpected talk, and left the Pope an LBJ bust.
   100. KDub's CellPiece (BLtDH) Posted: October 18, 2005 at 09:30 PM (#1691490)
my dad and i used to call him juan agosto-disgusto!!
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