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Wednesday, December 18, 2019

Strasburg returns, hopes to play whole career with Nationals

WASHINGTON (AP) — Naturally, Stephen Strasburg thought of himself pitching for a team other than the Nationals.

After winning and being MVP of the World Series, Strasburg opted out of his contract and hit the open market. The possibility was real that he’d played his last game in a Washington uniform.

Instead, Strasburg followed the lead of boyhood idol Tony Gwynn by signing a $245 million, seven-year deal that could allow him to play his entire career with the Nationals. This contract has no opt-outs, no options and a full no-trade clause, Strasburg will be 38 when it expires and could become just the eighth pitcher in major league history to spend 17-plus seasons with the same franchise.

“It’s really hard to come by in this game,” Strasburg said Tuesday. “When you’re given an opportunity to be in one spot and grow as a person and a player, to be a part of an organization like this, you can’t really let those opportunities go by.”

A few words on the one that didn’t get away.

 

QLE Posted: December 18, 2019 at 05:31 AM | 14 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Hank Gillette Posted: December 18, 2019 at 05:56 AM (#5909456)
I am glad that he is staying, but would any other team have matched that contract?
   2. Rally Posted: December 18, 2019 at 07:33 AM (#5909462)
Angels had a 7/245 contract for a WS hero all written out. I would not be surprised to find out that Rendon was their second choice on whose name to make it out to.
   3. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: December 18, 2019 at 07:55 AM (#5909463)
So if the Nats had gone back in time and let Strasburg pitch in the 2012 postseason, would he now be flashing two rings, one ring, or none?
   4. Rally Posted: December 18, 2019 at 08:11 AM (#5909465)
In the NLDS, they had a 6-0 lead early, and a 7-5 lead going into the 9th. Gio Gonzalez started, went 5, and gave up 3 runs. If Strasburg had started that game maybe he pitches 6 shutout innings. They probably win, but in real life Drew Storen gave up 4 runs in the 9th. Hand him a 7-2 lead instead, I'm not so sure he doesn't give up 6.

If they win that series then they still have to beat the Giants and Tigers, a 1 in 4 chance of them doing that. Odds are he'd be at one ring no matter what they decided in 2012.
   5. eric Posted: December 18, 2019 at 09:35 AM (#5909476)
Angels had a 7/245 contract for a WS hero all written out. I would not be surprised to find out that Rendon was their second choice on whose name to make it out to.


Then they lucked out. I'd take the 29-year-old position player over the 31-year-old pitcher any day for 7 years and the same money, and that's before taking into account Stras' health history.
   6. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: December 18, 2019 at 09:49 AM (#5909481)
I wish he had gone to Toronto so we could call him Strasbourg.
   7. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 18, 2019 at 10:28 AM (#5909507)
“It’s really hard to come by in this game,” Strasburg said Tuesday. “When you’re given an opportunity to be in one spot and grow as a person and a player, to be a part of an organization like this, you can’t really let those opportunities go by.”
Oh, please. You already had a contract. You opted out to test the market and get more money. That's fine, but spare us this stuff.
   8. Bourbon Samurai stays in the fight Posted: December 18, 2019 at 11:08 AM (#5909535)
In the NLDS, they had a 6-0 lead early, and a 7-5 lead going into the 9th. Gio Gonzalez started, went 5, and gave up 3 runs. If Strasburg had started that game maybe he pitches 6 shutout innings. They probably win, but in real life Drew Storen gave up 4 runs in the 9th. Hand him a 7-2 lead instead, I'm not so sure he doesn't give up 6.


He probably wouldn't have started that game, though, Gio Gonzalez was 21-8 and the ace of the staff. He probably wouldn't have started game 2, either, Jordan Zimmerman still loses there. He probably starts game 3 instead of Edwin Jackson, who #### the bed, but then Jackson starts game 4 instead of Ross Detwiler, who was great, and since the Nats only scored 2 runs that game they probably lose, so you are just swapping losing game 3 for losing game 4 and we are in the same position going into game 5.

Now, in Game 5, Edwin Jackson pitched an inning in relief and gave up a run, which he probably wouldn't do, but would they have been willing to use Stras in his place? Maybe Detwiler pitches out of the pen and is solid, but the Nats probably still use Clippard and Storen, there two best relievers, who gave up five runs between them and lose by one anyway.

Edit: I had forgotten that the Nats scored zero runs in game 3. So actually if all you are doing is swapping around the starting pitching, the Nats probably lose in 4 rather than in five, and we never end up hating Pete Kozma.
   9. Walt Davis Posted: December 18, 2019 at 04:19 PM (#5909693)
we never end up hating Pete Kozma.

You pull on one thread of the tapestry and next thing you know, it's Man in the High Castle time.
   10. Walt Davis Posted: December 18, 2019 at 04:20 PM (#5909694)
It seems like the Angels' big offer was for Cole. They don't seem to have been willing to go much higher for Cole so I've got doubts they'd have ever gotten this high for Strasburg.
   11. Hank Gillette Posted: December 18, 2019 at 07:32 PM (#5909765)
So if the Nats had gone back in time and let Strasburg pitch in the 2012 postseason, would he now be flashing two rings, one ring, or none?


Impossible to know, of course, but I have to believe that the Nationals’ giving his long-term health higher priority than possibly winning the playoffs has some bearing on his loyalty to the club.

If they had let him pitch, perhaps they get to the World Series, or perhaps he blows out his arm and ends his career, or has a second Tommy John surgery.

We know now that Strasburg is fragile. Is it better to get 170 premier innings a year from him as opposed to none?
   12. Hank Gillette Posted: December 18, 2019 at 07:38 PM (#5909766)
Oh, please. You already had a contract. You opted out to test the market and get more money. That's fine, but spare us this stuff.


He took less money to get the option to reenter the market. The Nationals were well aware that if he pitched well, he would opt out, and they would lose him or have to resign him for more money.

The Nationals are not victims, and Strasburg can feel loyalty towards the organization while still recognizing that he is worth more money than he was getting paid.
   13. The Honorable Ardo Posted: December 19, 2019 at 08:32 AM (#5909828)
I wondered who the other seven pitchers were. Most seasons pitched for a single franchise:

21 - Walter Johnson, Ted Lyons
20 - Red Faber, Mel Harder
19 - Jim Palmer, Mariano Rivera
18 - Bob Feller
17 - Bob Gibson

Interestingly, both Faber/Lyons and Feller/Harder overlapped for significant chunks.
   14. Starring RMc as Bradley Scotchman Posted: December 19, 2019 at 10:40 AM (#5909859)
So if the Nats had gone back in time and let Strasburg pitch in the 2012 postseason, would he now be flashing two rings, one ring, or none?

None. Strasburg’s arm shatters in the WS loss to the Tigers, Romney gets elected, the India/Pakistan War causes a flood of refugees to America, cricket becomes the #1 bat-and-ball sport. (In 2019, the most popular sports in the Affiliated States of America after cricket are korfball, bandy and buzkashi.)

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