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Wednesday, July 12, 2017

Taking Back the Ballparks

In two years, the Seattle Mariners will have a new stadium to call home, without changing their address. The ballpark to be formerly known as Safeco Field is undergoing a corporate name change. In 2019, King Felix, Robinson Cano and Kyle Seager will be playing in Boeing Park, or Microsoft Yards or Starbucks Lot. Whatever the new moniker, chances are it will be a downgrade.

As corporate names go, Safeco isn’t bad, much closer to Citi Field than Guaranteed Rate Field. But even if the new name is truly representative of Seattle, Poppy Fields, for instance, we still lose. Names really aren’t made for the name holder, but for the rest of us. My name (whether that’s the one on my birth certificate or my handle here at BTF) is primarily used by others, as a means to identify me. Changing it regularly would be a disservice to those who know me. It’s no different for stadia.

The question is, why do we go along with it? That some well-heeled corporate sugar daddy is willing to fork over big bucks to the local extortionist baseball owner for naming rights doesn’t mean we have to play along. Why should we be forced to follow all the latest merger and acquisition activity to keep up with the name outside that limestone and steel ode to corporate welfare?

Truth is, we shouldn’t. Until Delta Airlines or T-Mobile or Geico wants to cut us a check, we ought to just pick a name for the local ballpark and stick with it. No longer should we be required to know which telecommunications company is out front in the Bay Area or, which banking institution has bundled its way to supremacy in the Midwest to know where our favorite team is playing this weekend.

Starting next week, we’re going to change that. Through this effort, BTF is going to establish new names, or at least validate the old ones, for all 30 ballparks. If you think Houston can do better than Minute Maid Park (and who doesn’t?), then let’s find a better name for the joint. Or, if you think the park at Clark and Addison can be known as nothing but Wrigley, that’s cool too.

Every few weeks, I’ll introduce a different team, and solicit suggestions for a new name for the team’s ballpark. Perhaps the park is located adjacent to an interesting geographic feature of its host city, or near the site of an important event in history. Maybe there’s an interesting baseball connection, either with the home team or a ballplayer from the past. A significant local industry might have called that area of the city home at one point in time. I’m looking for the kind of name that will be unique to its home city, and one that can stand the test of time.

I’ll open up a new page at BTF, at my newly created, still-unvisited blog here, and maybe a few other places on the tubes, for nominations. At the end of the nomination period, I’ll hash out the best options among the nominees with a few like-minded Primates and we’ll offer a choice of three or four to vote on the following week.* Voting will take place exclusively here.

Ideally, when we’re done, and this project hasn’t suffered the same fate as the Count The Rings Great 28 Unfinished Symphony, we’ll have a nice collection of distinct names that online baseball fans can use for each major league ballpark. And there’s not a damn thing MLB, the owners, the players, the media and anyone else can do about it. Taco Bell’s chief execs can toss a bunch of cash at some poor beleaguered billionaire owner, but they can’t force us to use Gordita Supreme Stadium in everyday conversation.

* Yeah, we’re picking the finalists. Boaty McBoatface was marginally funny. Once.

SoSH U at work Posted: July 12, 2017 at 10:00 AM | 77 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. SoSH U at work Posted: July 12, 2017 at 11:41 AM (#5492095)
Well I'll be, it came out non-wonky.

   2. zack Posted: July 12, 2017 at 11:47 AM (#5492100)
Hardest part will be that the leading voter for every single park will probably be the longest-tenured non-corporate name ever used by that city or franchise.
   3. SoSH U at work Posted: July 12, 2017 at 11:52 AM (#5492105)

Hardest part will be that the leading voter for every single park will probably be the longest-tenured non-corporate name ever used by that city or franchise.


That's a possibility. I'm hoping we get a nice mix, rather than the same type of name being chosen each time.
   4. jmurph Posted: July 12, 2017 at 11:54 AM (#5492107)
Starbucks Lot

We could call it The Lotté. I mean, it could be worse.
   5. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: July 12, 2017 at 11:54 AM (#5492109)
*rubs hands together with glee*
   6. SoSH U at work Posted: July 12, 2017 at 11:56 AM (#5492112)
Hey Lance, did you get my email?

   7. SoSH U at work Posted: July 12, 2017 at 11:57 AM (#5492114)
We could call it The Lotté. I mean, it could be worse.


That was what I was going for.
   8. SoSH U at work Posted: July 12, 2017 at 12:00 PM (#5492120)
By the way, nominations for the first team will open on Monday.

   9. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: July 12, 2017 at 12:06 PM (#5492125)
Boaty McBoatface was marginally funny. Once.


Wrong. Boaty McBoatface was extremely funny once.
   10. SoSH U at work Posted: July 12, 2017 at 12:08 PM (#5492128)
Wrong. Boaty McBoatface was extremely funny once.


As long as we agree on the once.
   11. Starring RMc as Bradley Scotchman Posted: July 12, 2017 at 12:17 PM (#5492135)
When I was a sportscaster, I made it a policy never to mention corporate names when identifying an arena/stadium. If, say the NY Giants were at home, I would say the game was played at "the Meadowlands", never "MetLife Stadium". (MetLife's not giving me a dime, so why should I shill for them?)
   12. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: July 12, 2017 at 12:37 PM (#5492156)
Hey Lance, did you get my email?

Seemingly not. I double-checked that my account's set to receive from other users, so I'm assuming Primer mail's wonky.

Try call_it_the_CopperBowl(at)yahoo, created just for the occasion.
   13. Nasty Nate Posted: July 12, 2017 at 01:30 PM (#5492222)
Cool. We should think about criteria and goals. Some things to consider:

Do we want to replace all corporate names, or would we want to make permament some, like Coors Field?
If a park currently has a non-corporate name, do we automatically keep it?
If a park had a non-corporate name in the past, do we automatically go back to it, or give it preference over new names?
Should we factor in how likely a proposed name could actually catch on and be used by the internet commentariat and elsewhere?

Here is a link to the thread that is a partial inspiration for this.
   14. Nasty Nate Posted: July 12, 2017 at 01:32 PM (#5492224)
Wrong. Boaty McBoatface was extremely funny once.
For the duration of last year, Boaty McBoatface was my roto team name. There certainly wasn't any humor left in it after the grim demise of my ace pitcher.
   15. cardsfanboy Posted: July 12, 2017 at 01:40 PM (#5492239)
Do we want to replace all corporate names, or would we want to make permament some, like Coors Field?


Busch stadium seems to be the only thing to call St Louis stadium. I guess it could be Buck or Musial stadium/field...but in reality everyone's still going to call it Busch.
   16. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: July 12, 2017 at 01:43 PM (#5492243)
Do we want to replace all corporate names, or would we want to make permament some, like Coors Field?


I think some corporate names are reasonable. Busch Stadium for example has a very real link to St. Louis (though there are probably better names).

If a park currently has a non-corporate name, do we automatically keep it?


No but I think there needs to be a strong case for changing it rather than just a desire to make a change.

If a park had a non-corporate name in the past, do we automatically go back to it, or give it preference over new names?


No but it probably should be one of the options.

Should we factor in how likely a proposed name could actually catch on and be used by the internet commentariat and elsewhere?


I think it should be part of the equation but not a big one. Call it a tie breaker.

My 2 cents.
   17. Tom Nawrocki Posted: July 12, 2017 at 01:43 PM (#5492246)
Corporate names where (a) the corporation or a namesake of the corporation were involved with ownership, and (b) the product involved is heavily identified with the city seem perfectly fine to me. This would include Coors, Busch and Wrigley. Miller Park would be OK if the brewery had more of a connection to the team.
   18. SoSH U at work Posted: July 12, 2017 at 01:47 PM (#5492253)
As I've set this up, every team's name will be open for a change, but none will be required. If the current name, corporate or not, is considered the most fitting by BTF, then the old name will reign. Obviously, there are existing names that work much better than others.


   19. Dr Pol is what America needs Posted: July 12, 2017 at 01:49 PM (#5492257)
My dad has said more than once that the Brewers should play in The Case. Not just for case of beer but in reference to when Casey Stengel managed the Brewers. Which of course nobody would get except by dad and 3 90 year old guys living on Milwaukee's south side. Yeah, not good dad.
   20. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: July 12, 2017 at 01:56 PM (#5492264)
Agreed with [17]. The only corporate names that offend me are the ones that are merely the highest bidders for the [Your Name Here!] auctions.
   21. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 12, 2017 at 02:03 PM (#5492274)
I, too, prefer that the traditional stadium names remain unchanged for eternity, but that ship sailed long ago. This is a somewhat silly exercise that will merely validate that folks aren't that fond of many of the current corporate names, but it's not going to affect their use. Enjoy.
   22. SoSH U at work Posted: July 12, 2017 at 02:04 PM (#5492276)
Agreed with [17]. The only corporate names that offend me are the ones that are merely the highest bidders for the [Your Name Here!] auctions.


As mentioned in the intro, what bothers me the most, and the impetus for this, is
having to learn a new corporate name for the same ballpark.
   23. SoSH U at work Posted: July 12, 2017 at 02:06 PM (#5492282)

This is a somewhat silly exercise that will merely validate that folks aren't that fond of many of the current corporate names, but it's not going to affect their use. Enjoy.


I don't imagine it will, though it's possible we could begin to use them around here.
   24. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: July 12, 2017 at 02:18 PM (#5492293)
For me the big thing with a name is "can I, just by hearing the name, know what team we are talking about?"
   25. cardsfanboy Posted: July 12, 2017 at 02:21 PM (#5492296)
I, too, prefer that the traditional stadium names remain unchanged for eternity, but that ship sailed long ago. This is a somewhat silly exercise that will merely validate that folks aren't that fond of many of the current corporate names, but it's not going to affect their use. Enjoy.


Too many times an article or an announcer will talk about a stadium, and not mention the city, and I'll have no clue what the hell they are talking about(especially as it pertains to AL parks) parks name should feel like a part of the team identity, whether it's because they have been affiliated with them forever, or because it's descriptive to the city/team/area.

I know there is a park called Cellular field, I have no clue who it is. But Metlife stadium works, because it's for the Mets and it's a double entendre(?) type of thing.


I don't imagine it will, though it's possible we could begin to use them around here.


Someone could make a browser add on, that would automatically change the stadiums names for us. :) (see this link)
   26. SoSH U at work Posted: July 12, 2017 at 02:24 PM (#5492299)
Too many times an article or an announcer will talk about a stadium, and not mention the city, and I'll have no clue what the hell they are talking about(especially as it pertains to AL parks) parks name should feel like a part of the team identity, whether it's because they have been affiliated with them forever, or because it's descriptive to the city/team/area.


In the ongoing stadiums I've visited thread, there are numerous parks people have been to and they don't remember the name or the name has changed.

I know there is a park called Cellular field, I have no clue who it is. But Metlife stadium works, because it's for the Mets and it's a double entendre(?) type of thing.


1) There used to be a U.S. Cellular. Now it's Guaranteed Rate Field.
2) It's Citi Field, though Metlife would be a good one.

   27. cardsfanboy Posted: July 12, 2017 at 02:28 PM (#5492302)
oops, I thought I heard someone refer to something as Metlife and assumed that was the new name of the Mets stadium.
   28. Nasty Nate Posted: July 12, 2017 at 02:31 PM (#5492304)
There is a Metlife stadium, but it's where the Jets and Giants play in New Jersey.
   29. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: July 12, 2017 at 02:32 PM (#5492305)
Great post, SoSH.

The question is, why do we go along with it?

Because the media don't have the guts to refuse to go along with it. The die was cast when Candlestick Park was renamed something like "3Cons Park", and after a brief series of protests by the Bay area media, they accepted the name change without a peep.

My starting point would be that beer-named stadiums like Coors, Busch and Miller and fine, as are those named after historically important individuals (Comiskey, Griffith). And parks that simply reflect the name of the team are also copacetic: Yankee Stadium; Nats Park. But when you find yourself scratching your head and saying "what the hell is that?", then out should come the hook.

And sorry, that means that beautiful as PNC may be, it should be renamed after either Wagner or Clemente.
   30. SoSH U at work Posted: July 12, 2017 at 02:36 PM (#5492309)

There is a Metlife stadium, but it's where the Jets and Giants play in New Jersey.


That's right.
   31. Nasty Nate Posted: July 12, 2017 at 02:40 PM (#5492314)
I think the ones in most need of a new BBTF name are the homes of the Indians, Tigers, White Sox, Twins, Braves, Phillies, Diamondbacks, Padres, and Giants.
   32. Bote Man Posted: July 12, 2017 at 03:10 PM (#5492347)
TIAA/CREF Stadium.
   33. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: July 12, 2017 at 03:18 PM (#5492353)
My name (whether that’s the one on my birth certificate or my handle here at BTF) is primarily used by others, as a means to identify me. Changing it regularly would be a disservice to those who know me. It’s no different for stadia.


STEAGLES should pay heed.
   34. cardsfanboy Posted: July 12, 2017 at 03:32 PM (#5492366)
I think the ones in most need of a new BBTF name are the homes of the Indians, Tigers, White Sox, Twins, Braves, Phillies, Diamondbacks, Padres, and Giants.


Since everything is better if it's named after a Marine....

Cleveland = Drew Carey stadium.
Detroit = Mike Illitch stadium. (although Ernie Harwell stadium works better)
White Sox = Steve Wilkos field. (of course Veeck was from Chicago, so he works better)
Twins = Jesse Ventura stadium(not a marine, but navy, but it would be funny anyway) (but Rod Carew Stadium works for me also)
Braves --can't find any notable marine, so go with Jimmy Carter stadium(he was navy)
Phillies- John Philip Sousa stadium. (or Smedley Butler field)
Diamondbacks- Ira Hays stadium.
Padres - Jerry Coleman stadium.
Giants - Dusty Baker Stadium.
   35. zack Posted: July 12, 2017 at 04:04 PM (#5492393)
The die was cast when Candlestick Park was renamed something like "3Cons Park", and after a brief series of protests by the Bay area media, they accepted the name change without a peep.

RIP 3com. You made the best network cards.

The Bay Area is probably the best worst example of the corporate renamings, between the 4 horrible tech names for the O-A Coliseum and the 3 terrible telco names for the Giants' abode.



   36. Nasty Nate Posted: July 12, 2017 at 04:17 PM (#5492403)
RIP 3com. You made the best network cards.

The Bay Area is probably the best worst example of the corporate renamings, between the 4 horrible tech names for the O-A Coliseum and the 3 terrible telco names for the Giants' abode.
Candelstick also was named Monster Park for a while after the Giants left.

At least the coliseum currently doesn't have a stupid name. The official A's website refers to it as Oakland Coliseum (for now).
   37. geonose Posted: July 12, 2017 at 04:18 PM (#5492404)
Giants - Dusty Baker Stadium

For some reason I can't bring myself to seriously consider naming the Giants' home after somebody who is currently the manager of another team, never mind the connection.
   38. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: July 12, 2017 at 04:22 PM (#5492410)
And sorry, that means that beautiful as PNC may be, it should be renamed after either Wagner or Clemente.


The new trend is to name the field as well as the building. At Florida State, the play baseball at Mike Martin Field at Dick Howser Stadium, and football at Bobby Bowden Field at Doak Campbell Stadium.
   39. Moeball Posted: July 12, 2017 at 04:25 PM (#5492412)
but Rod Carew Stadium works for me also


Well, I already know what they should call the micro-beer section, if they have one at the stadium in Minnesota: The KilleBrewery!

OK, that was painful, I apologize...

Padres - Jerry Coleman stadium



Before they moved in the fences and also shortened the height of the fences in San Diego - several times in recent years, actually - BITD it was extremely difficult to hit the ball out of the yard and I heard some locals refer to the deep outfields as Coleman's Canyons.

If any stadium in Philly is named for a person, it should be for Mike Schmidt. Before he came along, the Phillies had never won a championship in almost a century of play and, were it not primarily for him, that streak would have continued a lot longer. Just sayin'...
   40. SoSH U at work Posted: July 12, 2017 at 04:25 PM (#5492413)
The new trend is to name the field as well as the building. At Florida State, the play baseball at Mike Martin Field at Dick Howser Stadium, and football at Bobby Bowden Field at Doak Campbell Stadium.


I seem to recall one one place that has three such names, but I can't recall which school it is.

   41. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: July 12, 2017 at 04:31 PM (#5492421)
At UF it's Steve Spurrier-Florida Field at Ben Hill Griffin Stadium
   42. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: July 12, 2017 at 04:35 PM (#5492430)
INTERNET MASTURBATION
   43. Nasty Nate Posted: July 12, 2017 at 04:37 PM (#5492433)
INTERNET MASTURBATION
Which team plays there?
   44. stevegamer Posted: July 12, 2017 at 04:50 PM (#5492448)
In Philly, the 76ers & Flyers play at "the Center" for a lot of us fans, because it's the "which bank has acquired the other one lately" Center.

Veterans Stadium was a great name, if not a great baseball stadium.

   45. Hysterical & Useless Posted: July 12, 2017 at 05:24 PM (#5492487)
Mets -- Willets Point Stadium

Yankees -- The Bastille ("Yankee Stadium" has been gone for 40 years)

Toronto -- Hog Heaven Centre (aka The Hog)

   46. Brian C Posted: July 12, 2017 at 06:51 PM (#5492519)
I think I'll probably still call Safeco Field "Safeco". I still have to remind myself not to refer to "Enron Field" in Houston, and Safeco doesn't have half the baggage as Enron.
   47. Howie Menckel Posted: July 12, 2017 at 07:07 PM (#5492526)
I had two suggestions for the jointly-owned Meadowlands stadium when they sought a corporate sponsor: Jet Blue Stadium, or Jolly Green Giant Stadium.
   48. PreservedFish Posted: July 12, 2017 at 07:27 PM (#5492530)
SOSH U, I think that this project has potential, but it needs a far wider readership. Reddit's baseball forum might be a start.
   49. SoSH U at work Posted: July 12, 2017 at 07:33 PM (#5492532)

SOSH U, I think that this project has potential, but it needs a far wider readership. Reddit's baseball forum might be a start.


I know. I've reached out to a couple of other places as well. I'm hoping to get the interest of some of the team blogs. Anybody is welcome to share this anywhere baseball fans gather electronically, if he's so inclined.

Ultimately, I'd like nothing better than to drive a little more traffic the site's way.
   50. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: July 12, 2017 at 08:45 PM (#5492573)
For the duration of last year, Boaty McBoatface was my roto team name. There certainly wasn't any humor left in it after the grim demise of my ace pitcher.


This is how I feel about Sunnydale White Hats. I called my Scoresheet team that once, and I still think it's the best team name I've had. But that was also the year that John Olerud became John Olderdude and Paul Konerko was like, "What if I was terrible for one year in the middle of my peak?" And I had both of them.
   51. Walt Davis Posted: July 12, 2017 at 08:51 PM (#5492575)
Surely it would be the Starbucks Grounds.
   52. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: July 12, 2017 at 08:54 PM (#5492578)
Just suggestions for the stadiums I've been to whose current names I don't care for.

Mariners -- Griffey Field; alternates: Nintendo Park (longtime corporate owners); King County Stadium; Edgar Martinez Field
Giants -- Mission Stadium
Athletics -- Alameda County Coliseum, damn it all
Padres -- hard to resist the alliteration of Padres Park, though San Diego is rife with good place names
Twins -- Hennepin Yards
Mets -- Willets Field
Yankees -- Crass Abomination Stadium
   53. AndrewJ Posted: July 12, 2017 at 09:00 PM (#5492583)
Syracuse U. plays football on Ernie Davis Legends Field and hoops on the Boeheim Court at the Carrier Dome (one of the earlier corporate-named stadia)...
   54. Dunn Deal Posted: July 12, 2017 at 09:41 PM (#5492599)
And sorry, that means that beautiful as PNC may be, it should be renamed after either Wagner or Clemente.


Just roll it back to "Three Rivers Stadium" - that's a classic name, and most certainly identifiable as a PGH location.

(I'm offering that as a suggestion because I can already envision a heated debate between Wagner & Clemente proponents. Just name it "Three Rivers!" That's a great name.)
   55. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: July 13, 2017 at 08:46 AM (#5492694)
For Cincinnati... Pete Rose Field at Great American Ballpark on the Riverfront

That's not too long, is it? :-)

of course, for older Reds fans, it would be

Pete Rose Field at Pete Rose Ballpark on Pete Rose Way on the Pete Rose Riverfront.

...Pete Rose
   56. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: July 13, 2017 at 09:25 AM (#5492721)
And sorry, that means that beautiful as PNC may be, it should be renamed after either Wagner or Clemente.

Just roll it back to "Three Rivers Stadium" - that's a classic name, and most certainly identifiable as a PGH location.

(I'm offering that as a suggestion because I can already envision a heated debate between Wagner & Clemente proponents. Just name it "Three Rivers!" That's a great name.)


Yeah, I wouldn't object to that, either, even though PNC is more distinctly on the Allegheny.
   57. Lassus Posted: July 13, 2017 at 09:43 AM (#5492738)
Willets Field

Going by Jose's #24, which I feel is relevant and useful, no one's going to have any idea WTF team this refers to. Even people in the city.

Honestly, for the Mets, "New Shea" works for me, but really, Citifield, sounding like "City Field" really works great. Of all the ones that need fixing, this one probably doesn't. ("Queens Field" would be great and a possibility as well, I suppose.)
   58. Nasty Nate Posted: July 13, 2017 at 09:49 AM (#5492741)
Just roll it back to "Three Rivers Stadium" - that's a classic name, and most certainly identifiable as a PGH location.
That's better than "PNC," but my personal preference is to generally avoid using the same name from a prior building; although I think there are many exceptions. In this case, Three Rivers Park (vs Stadium), would be nice.
   59. Bote Man Posted: July 13, 2017 at 10:02 AM (#5492746)
I know an Akronite who referred to it as "Three Sewers Stadium".
   60. Lassus Posted: July 13, 2017 at 10:10 AM (#5492751)
Syracuse U. plays football on Ernie Davis Legends Field and hoops on the Boeheim Court at in the Carrier Dome
   61. Russ Posted: July 13, 2017 at 12:34 PM (#5492902)
I know an Akronite who referred to it as "Three Sewers Stadium".


Again displaying the rank jealousy of Ohioans who can't keep up with their much more successful neighbors.
   62. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: July 13, 2017 at 01:07 PM (#5492940)
If Willets is too obscure (and I don't see why it should be -- Shea Stadium didn't tell you anything about where it is until they used it for long enough that people kind of got it), I think the Mets' stadium name should have some kind of reference to Queens or Long Island in it. That is theoretically part of their appeal.
   63. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: July 13, 2017 at 03:40 PM (#5493106)
Honestly, for the Mets, "New Shea" works for me, but really, Citifield, sounding like "City Field" really works great. Of all the ones that need fixing, this one probably doesn't. ("Queens Field" would be great and a possibility as well, I suppose.)


When the park was being built and the naming rights hadn't yet been settled upon, I was pushing to name it either the Ralph Lauren Polo Grounds or Corona Park...
   64. SoSH U at work Posted: July 13, 2017 at 03:44 PM (#5493113)
When the park was being built and the naming rights hadn't yet been settled upon, I was pushing to name it either the Ralph Lauren Polo Grounds or Corona Park...


Polo Field Stadium, to borrow from the three most recent NL parks before the new home.

   65. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: July 13, 2017 at 03:51 PM (#5493119)
If Willets is too obscure (and I don't see why it should be -- Shea Stadium didn't tell you anything about where it is until they used it for long enough that people kind of got it), I think the Mets' stadium name should have some kind of reference to Queens or Long Island in it. That is theoretically part of their appeal.

John Rocker Park should do it.
   66. PreservedFish Posted: July 13, 2017 at 03:55 PM (#5493121)
There's a potential disconnect between what fans of the team might want to call a stadium, and what out-of-towners might. I don't know Seattle well enough to call that stadium anything other than Mariners Stadium, Safeco, or perhaps Griffey Stadium. But "Griffey Stadium" has zero basis in reality, and "Mariners Stadium," while usefully precise, sucks.
   67. SoSH U at work Posted: July 13, 2017 at 03:56 PM (#5493122)

There's a potential disconnect between what fans of the team might want to call a stadium, and what out-of-towners might. I don't know Seattle well enough to call that stadium anything other than Mariners Stadium, Safeco, or perhaps Griffey Stadium. But "Griffey Stadium" has zero basis in reality, and "Mariners Stadium," while usefully precise, sucks.


That's why I hope we can get some participation from locals on this.
   68. Nasty Nate Posted: July 13, 2017 at 04:00 PM (#5493123)
I don't know Seattle well enough to call that stadium anything other than Mariners Stadium, Safeco, or perhaps Griffey Stadium. But "Griffey Stadium" has zero basis in reality, and "Mariners Stadium," while usefully precise, sucks.
But in the future, if you often see it referred to as Griffey Stadium (or whatever) on internet baseball sites, it will have a basis in reality.
   69. Random Transaction Generator Posted: July 13, 2017 at 04:34 PM (#5493144)
Toronto's current stadium was, is, and will forever be known as "SkyDome". (Notice it's just "SkyDome", not "The SkyDome".)

Nobody in the online Blue Jays community calls it anything other than that.
It has no corporate ties, it's the name everyone remember/defaults to, and it describes it perfectly.
   70. Nasty Nate Posted: July 13, 2017 at 04:42 PM (#5493151)
I agree, that should be a no-brainer for this project.
   71. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: July 13, 2017 at 06:29 PM (#5493199)
I mean, Safeco is in a neighborhood called SoDo, which is pretty much just an industrial district. It does have the advantage that the neighborhood was originally called SoDo because it meant "south of the dome", after the M's old ballpark. For a long time, the team's slogan was the distinctly silly "SoDo Mojo!"

Actually, SoDo Field or SoDo Park doesn't sound that bad, though out of towners might never figure out what it means. The Griffey one, on second thought, is a touch weird, given that he played in the place so little.
   72. Bote Man Posted: July 14, 2017 at 03:01 PM (#5493737)
Notice it's just "SkyDome", not "The SkyDome".

Yes, I recall that needlessly doctrinaire claim when it first opened, but never understood why the article "The" would ruin the name if used. But perhaps it's cut from the same cloth as "Smokey Bear" and not "Smokey THE Bear"?

The White House
The Washington Monument
The Bay Bridge
   73. SoSH U at work Posted: July 14, 2017 at 03:11 PM (#5493747)
Yes, I recall that needlessly doctrinaire claim when it first opened, but never understood why the article "The" would ruin the name if used


I don't know if it's ruined, but we also don't say The Yankee Stadium, The Fenway Park or The Wrigley Field, so why shouldn't SkyDome be consistent with those? Also, don't put a "The" in front of a university, except The Citadel.
   74. Hysterical & Useless Posted: July 14, 2017 at 05:52 PM (#5493832)
Willets Field

Going by Jose's #24, which I feel is relevant and useful, no one's going to have any idea WTF team this refers to


It used to be common to refer to Shea as "Flushing Meadows," which had to be obscure to out-of-towners, but so what? New Yorkers are supposed to care what they think?

Willets Point is the closest subway stop to the ballpark; it's a convenient geographical reference.

Any new name, unless it refers directly to the team or the city, is going to be "obscure" to most people for at least a while. Wrigley has been Wrigley for 80ish years, Fenway has been Fenway even longer, so yeah, everybody knows them. Call it Willets Point for 80 years and people will know that too.

Citifield is not a bad name, no, but it refers to Citigroup, which is a large and powerful criminal conspiracy, and should NOT be glorified. It's bad enough the Mets are saddled with the Wilpons without dragging Citi along as well.
   75. Itchy Row Posted: July 14, 2017 at 06:29 PM (#5493836)
Just name them all Chan Ho Park.
   76. Random Transaction Generator Posted: July 14, 2017 at 06:58 PM (#5493844)
Notice it's just "SkyDome", not "The SkyDome".

Yes, I recall that needlessly doctrinaire claim when it first opened, but never understood why the article "The" would ruin the name if used. But perhaps it's cut from the same cloth as "Smokey Bear" and not "Smokey THE Bear"?


My understanding was that "SkyDome" sounds like a place name, while "The SkyDome" sounds like a thing name, and they wanted it to be identified as a place.
   77. Itchy Row Posted: July 15, 2017 at 12:23 AM (#5493968)
Canadians have 153 words for "poutine" but no word for "the."

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