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Sunday, February 20, 2011

Tell the San Diego Padres: Stop Using Children as Instruments of War

To this day…GWOSDZ have yet to be found.

Dear San Diego Padres,

I am again appalled that you have decided to sell children on the concept of war-through-baseball. “Dog Tags for Kids” on military opening day? You do realize, I’m sure, that Dog Tags are used to identify the corpses of dead soldiers. Why would you giveaway these items to children? Are you expecting them to die while attending Padre games? I realize that flying baseballs are dangerous, but surely not every child in attendance will be struck with a line drive and perish. Or perhaps there is a bomb inside of the baseball which will ignite the entire downtown area. Is this what are you suggesting? I would think not. So, why do you associate the enjoyable afternoon past-time of baseball with the gruesome world of dead soldiers and camo jerseys?

OK, so you want to honor veterans—no issue there. How about starting with the homeless vets that are herded out of eyeshot from Petco Park? Shouldn’t we take care of those men and women before recruiting new eight-year-olds to serve as cannon fodder?

Sincerely,
Kap Fulton
San Diego, CA
Lifelong Padres Fan

Repoz Posted: February 20, 2011 at 11:47 PM | 472 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: February 21, 2011 at 12:06 AM (#3754716)
How would you identify the corpses of dead children? Does Kap Fulton have any superior solutions, or just complaints?
   2. rr Posted: February 21, 2011 at 12:11 AM (#3754721)
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPOZZZ!!!!!!!!!!
   3. Shibal Posted: February 21, 2011 at 12:51 AM (#3754734)
I bet Kap Fulton is a lot of fun to party with.
   4. The District Attorney Posted: February 21, 2011 at 01:00 AM (#3754738)
I realize that flying baseballs are dangerous, but surely not every child in attendance will be struck with a line drive and perish.
Hey, it's happened before.


EDIT:
Is this one of those parents who has a boy and doesn't buy them toy guns and can't fathom why every single object in the house becomes a 'fake' gun?
Every single object in my nephew's house becomes a fake phone.

My dad was a phone man for 40 years... maybe it's genetic?
   5. cardsfanboy Posted: February 21, 2011 at 01:00 AM (#3754739)
There are really people that dumb in the world? Is this one of those parents who has a boy and doesn't buy them toy guns and can't fathom why every single object in the house becomes a 'fake' gun?

Is this what are you suggesting? I would think not. So, why do you associate the enjoyable afternoon past-time of baseball with the gruesome world of dead soldiers and camo jerseys?


maybe they are trying to associate it with being a volunter soldier, a profession that you take less money to potentially risk your life in honor of a higher god than the typical dollar god that most professions want to follow. Maybe the concept of selfless service is something that should be honored and respected? Is this person upset because they were too much of a chicken ####, self centered, absorbed bastard to not even comprehend the concept of serving your country in this way?
   6. Hugh Jorgan Posted: February 21, 2011 at 01:08 AM (#3754742)
Is this one of those parents who has a boy and doesn't buy them toy guns and can't fathom why every single object in the house becomes a 'fake' gun?

I can only speak from my own experience and having 4 sons. We never bought our kids toy guns(ages now 18, 15, 13, 11) and my kids never went through the "wanting to be a soldier/cowboy phase." They never asked for toy guns, didn't turn objects in to "fake" guns or anything of the sort. My kids were always(and still are) happy to play pretty much any ball sport available to them; both outside and inside(much to the chagrin of my wife-indoor wiffle ball is simply awesome). Maybe other parents have had different experiences, maybe it's because I live in Sydney, maybe it's cultural...don't know really, but your position on the matter seems a bit extreme.

I know my kids would rather have one of those mini baseball bats or a bobblehead then dog tags.
   7. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: February 21, 2011 at 01:14 AM (#3754746)
Is this person upset because they were too much of a chicken ####, self centered, absorbed bastard to not even comprehend the concept of serving your country in this way?
Way to go as far off the opposite deep end as Kap there.
   8. cardsfanboy Posted: February 21, 2011 at 01:17 AM (#3754747)
I know my kids would rather have one of those mini baseball bats or a bobblehead then dog tags.


I was paraphrasing Denis Leary about that in the book "Why We Suck". I just think it's a silly concept to ban kids from toy guns, if they don't want them that is fine.
   9. McCoy Posted: February 21, 2011 at 01:22 AM (#3754750)
I just think it's a silly concept to ban kids from toy guns, if they don't want them that is fine.

And if kids want ground up glass for their sandbox is that fine too? I don't really think it is a silly concept for parents to censor their kids' activities.

I don't really have an issue with a company handing out dogtags though if I was in the committee that developed this promotion I would at least mention what some of the purposes of dogtags are and whether or not that is appropiate for my company.
   10. cardsfanboy Posted: February 21, 2011 at 01:27 AM (#3754752)
Way to go as far off the opposite deep end as Kap there.


this is one of those people like the stupid kc religion that protests soldier burials, this is just another way for an organization to grab publicity with a clearly retarded agenda to make news.
   11. cardsfanboy Posted: February 21, 2011 at 01:30 AM (#3754755)
And if kids want ground up glass for their sandbox is that fine too? I don't really think it is a silly concept for parents to censor their kids' activities.


I have no problem with censoring kids activities, toy guns is not censoring though. It's imagination, tv shows have guns on all the time, kids like to act out what they like to watch, if you want to prevent your kids from watching violent movies that is perfectly acceptable, but if you let them watch any violent shows then you have to understand that that will become part of their playtime activity.
   12. phredbird Posted: February 21, 2011 at 01:30 AM (#3754756)
**takes a look around, runs back to the maybin thread**
   13. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: February 21, 2011 at 01:33 AM (#3754757)
this is one of those people like the stupid kc religion that protests soldier burials, this is just another way for an organization to grab publicity with a clearly retarded agenda to make news.
Or maybe they believe something strongly but are unfortunately expressing it in an inflammatory and exaggerated rhetorical way.

You know, pretty much exactly what you're doing.
   14. cardsfanboy Posted: February 21, 2011 at 01:39 AM (#3754759)
Or maybe they believe something strongly but are unfortunately expressing it in an inflammatory and exaggerated rhetorical way.

You know, pretty much exactly what you're doing.


I doubt it, nobody believes that crap and has functioning brains, they know it ticks off most of the people so they are exploiting the emotional aspect of something to bring focus to their crappy organization(ooh, sign this petition to ban alfalfa sales)

Real people might think "hey I don't want my kids to be exposed to this, and I'll be a good parent and raise them properly". Stupid people like this(and the idiots that ban toys in San Francisco) say "I want to abdicate my responsibilities as a parent and force the world to change based upon the fact that I'm too busy with Yoga classes to raise my own kids or even pretend to watch them"
   15. McCoy Posted: February 21, 2011 at 01:46 AM (#3754764)
they know it ticks off most of the people so they are exploiting the emotional aspect of something to bring focus to their crappy organization(ooh, sign this petition to ban alfalfa sales)

Speaking of that, there is a human rights office on the way to my work from the metro stop and about once a week there is a bunch grungy college kids outside asking people to sign up for/donate/or sign something for some various cause. I usually have my headphones on and can't hear them (sidebar: why do people persist in asking you questions when you have headphones on? I'll never understand that.) but one day a couple of weeks ago I forgot my headphones so I was walking down the street sans music. As I got to their office I was met by one of their stereotypical grungy overly privileged colleged kids who informed that he was fighting to end child poverty. What in the world is child poverty? Does that mean you are perfectly okay with adult poverty or senior poverty? How about teenage poverty? And how do you go about fixing child poverty without solving poverty for all the other people? Basically they were trying to manipulate your emotions and feelings. Hey, think of the children! Anyway as he informed me of what he was fighting for I replied "good for you" in a bland non-threatening way. His reply was a very sarcastic "HAVE GRRRREAT DAY!" Which was basically code for eff off. I chuckled at that and made me smile the rest of the day.
   16. AndrewJ Posted: February 21, 2011 at 01:54 AM (#3754766)
As George Carlin said about American society in the 1980s: "They're thinking about banning toy guns... and they're gonna keep the F---ing REAL ones!"
   17. True Blue Posted: February 21, 2011 at 01:55 AM (#3754767)
Basic liberal tenet. Kap doesn't like something so it must be outlawed. No dissenting opinions allowed for Fulton. Of course to Fulton if you enlist, you are cannon fodder if you protect this country so Fulton and his/her ilk can enjoy the freedom whining and pouting and crying.
   18. jack the seal clubber (on the sidelines of life) Posted: February 21, 2011 at 01:55 AM (#3754768)
This Kap Fulton thing has to be a put on.
   19. tshipman Posted: February 21, 2011 at 01:59 AM (#3754772)
It's imagination, tv shows have guns on all the time,


Well, the violence in the culture is absolutely part of the problem. Why is it that you can have shows with guns and people getting beaten up or shot, but if you show one nipple, it's off to HBO with you?

When I was a kid, every stick was a sword, so I guess I shouldn't talk.
   20. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: February 21, 2011 at 02:00 AM (#3754773)
Basic liberal tenet. Kap doesn't like something so it must be outlawed. No dissenting opinions allowed for Fulton.


You can practically see the FEMA re-education camps springing up next to the Unitarian churches.
   21. rr Posted: February 21, 2011 at 02:02 AM (#3754774)
@ 18

Doesn't look like it, based on the site.

Repoz knows what he's doing.

This "True Blue" guy seems like a parody, a la "Phenomenal Smith."
   22. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: February 21, 2011 at 02:11 AM (#3754782)
I use my 6 year old cousin as a napalm bomb.
   23. cardsfanboy Posted: February 21, 2011 at 02:11 AM (#3754783)
Speaking of that, there is a human rights office on the way to my work from the metro stop and about once a week there is a bunch grungy college kids outside asking people to sign up for/donate/or sign something for some various cause. I usually have my headphones on and can't hear them (sidebar: why do people persist in asking you questions when you have headphones on? I'll never understand that.) but one day a couple of weeks ago I forgot my headphones so I was walking down the street sans music. As I got to their office I was met by one of their stereotypical grungy overly privileged colleged kids who informed that he was fighting to end child poverty. What in the world is child poverty? Does that mean you are perfectly okay with adult poverty or senior poverty? How about teenage poverty? And how do you go about fixing child poverty without solving poverty for all the other people? Basically they were trying to manipulate your emotions and feelings. Hey, think of the children! Anyway as he informed me of what he was fighting for I replied "good for you" in a bland non-threatening way. His reply was a very sarcastic "HAVE GRRRREAT DAY!" Which was basically code for eff off. I chuckled at that and made me smile the rest of the day.


you got me to laugh with that. Of course you are right.
   24. jack the seal clubber (on the sidelines of life) Posted: February 21, 2011 at 02:15 AM (#3754788)
I think "Padres Cannon Fodder Night" for kids would have great potential. They would get a free plastic assault rifle but would also have to enlist in the military to be effective on their 18th birthday.

Off topic, this has to be the worst time of the year for sports. I'm actually watching World Series of Poker Europe. Please, April, hurry.
   25. nick swisher hygiene Posted: February 21, 2011 at 02:23 AM (#3754791)
@1--I prefer my dead children in unmarked mass graves, thank you very much...
   26. cardsfanboy Posted: February 21, 2011 at 02:24 AM (#3754792)
Basic liberal tenet. Kap doesn't like something so it must be outlawed. No dissenting opinions allowed for Fulton. Of course to Fulton if you enlist, you are cannon fodder if you protect this country so Fulton and his/her ilk can enjoy the freedom whining and pouting and crying


it's not a liberal thing(I mean how many gay marriages are you seeing around these parts?) it's a fanatic thing. I have a problem with this for several reasons, first of course is the concept that you want to have someone else raise your kids. Another problem I have with it, is that those days are celebrating a profession that is very well represented in that area, and kids of military personel take pride in those days, especially if their parent is on deployment. Third is that it's clearly designed to drum up news for his organization. I doubt he would have a problem if they were having firefighter days, or policeman days or even lawyers(you know the one profession that honor is morality and honor is enouraged out of it's profession). It's because military is a hot button issue that makes it easy for him to exploit.
   27. SteveF Posted: February 21, 2011 at 02:28 AM (#3754793)
I think kids have gotten fairly sophisticated these days. Though it's probably true they don't understand what dog tags are for, they probably wouldn't care too much if you told them anyway. Knowing someone's name really doesn't tell you who a person is. Knowing how many months old his or her phone is, on the other hand, tells you everything you'd ever want or need to know.

Kids grow up so fast!
   28. booond Posted: February 21, 2011 at 02:44 AM (#3754799)
I think kids have gotten fairly sophisticated these days.


To technology, yes. To what happens around them, not so much.
   29. Bourbon Samurai stays in the fight Posted: February 21, 2011 at 02:47 AM (#3754800)
I might suggest the Padres use this letter as a template in drafting their reply.
   30. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: February 21, 2011 at 02:51 AM (#3754803)
Phenomenal Smith -> Greg Goosen at 30 -> True Blue

Eh, seen it.
   31. Bob Evans Posted: February 21, 2011 at 02:56 AM (#3754807)
You do realize, I’m sure, that Dog Tags are used to identify the corpses of dead soldiers. Why would you giveaway these items to children?

Indeed. They should have a more ecumenical Dental Records Day instead.
   32. Bob Evans Posted: February 21, 2011 at 03:00 AM (#3754810)
I might suggest the Padres use this letter as a template in drafting their reply.

I didn't see the letter, but I did acquire a new Bestest Hero Ever: Mario Soto.
   33. filihok Posted: February 21, 2011 at 03:09 AM (#3754815)
a profession that you take less money to potentially risk your life in honor of a higher god than the typical dollar god that most professions want to follow


So, you're telling me that most wars aren't fought for economic reasons?
   34. Zipperholes Posted: February 21, 2011 at 03:11 AM (#3754816)
As I got to their office I was met by one of their stereotypical grungy overly privileged colleged kids who informed that he was fighting to end child poverty. What in the world is child poverty? Does that mean you are perfectly okay with adult poverty or senior poverty? How about teenage poverty? And how do you go about fixing child poverty without solving poverty for all the other people?
What an #######!
   35. McCoy Posted: February 21, 2011 at 03:38 AM (#3754825)
I didn't think he was arsehole, just your typical college kid really.
   36. StillFlash Posted: February 21, 2011 at 03:53 AM (#3754835)
My kid's got an AR-15 and AK47 in his room. The real ones.
   37. Andere Richtingen Posted: February 21, 2011 at 04:03 AM (#3754840)
Seriously, Repoz?
   38. McCoy Posted: February 21, 2011 at 04:05 AM (#3754843)
My kid's got an AR-15 and AK47 in his room. The real ones.

Does he pretend they are baseball bats?
   39. flournoy Posted: February 21, 2011 at 04:13 AM (#3754846)
To technology, yes. To what happens around them, not so much.


The following are true of the latest intern at my workplace:

- Unable to name any president older than H.W. Bush other than Washington or Lincoln.
- Guessed that the second president was Edison.
- Has no idea whose face is on any coin or bill.
- Unaware that Catholics are Christian.
- Can identify about ten states given a blank map.
- Had never heard the word 'odometer' before.
- Has no idea in which decades WWII occurred.
- So much more...

It's really disturbing.
   40. Brian Posted: February 21, 2011 at 04:24 AM (#3754850)
Fluornoy,
How old and what level of education?
   41. Random Transaction Generator Posted: February 21, 2011 at 04:29 AM (#3754854)
Of course to Fulton if you enlist, you are cannon fodder if you protect this country so Fulton and his/her ilk can enjoy the freedom whining and pouting and crying.


I think it's been well over 60 years since the US Army has fought a war to "protect" the country in any meaningful way.
   42. Dat Yat Posted: February 21, 2011 at 04:32 AM (#3754856)
I think parents have the right to object to having their children militarized while they do something as innocuous as attending a baseball game. Christian days don't really belong in a ballgame, either. Just leave us alone, let us enjoy a day at the park and stop shoving this stuff at us.
   43. spike Posted: February 21, 2011 at 04:48 AM (#3754863)
Sure, she comes off like Marge Simpson, but the point about "honoring" service within a few blocks of where homeless vets congregate is a fair one. For a country that likes to pat itself on the back about "respect for service", the number of homeless vets (over 76000 or 12% of the total on any given night)) is a national disgrace.
   44. Eraser-X is emphatically dominating teh site!!! Posted: February 21, 2011 at 04:49 AM (#3754864)
Actually, I don't know we would worry about child poverty internationally.

We are terrible nationally on child poverty--to the point that we actually rank number one in reading and science educationally once you factor out child poverty.
   45. McCoy Posted: February 21, 2011 at 04:59 AM (#3754867)
Why are we worried about child poverty in America as well? Shouldn't we just be worried about poverty in America? Or are we simply going to feed the kids and ignore their parents?
   46. Mark Edward Posted: February 21, 2011 at 05:09 AM (#3754868)
Why are we worried about child poverty in America as well? Shouldn't we just be worried about poverty in America? Or are we simply going to feed the kids and ignore their parents?


Did you ask the college kid any of these questions?
   47. Hugh Jorgan Posted: February 21, 2011 at 05:52 AM (#3754874)
Christian days don't really belong in a ballgame, either

Why would you need a religious day at the ballpark, we are already kneeling at the alter of his baseballness. MLB is the only religion I need.
   48. McCoy Posted: February 21, 2011 at 05:53 AM (#3754876)
Did you ask the college kid any of these questions?

Why would you ask the guy in the trenches questions of strategy?
   49. cardsfanboy Posted: February 21, 2011 at 05:58 AM (#3754879)
So, you're telling me that most wars aren't fought for economic reasons?


nope, saying that the soldiers aren't in it for the money. The politicians, sure.
   50. cardsfanboy Posted: February 21, 2011 at 06:07 AM (#3754881)
I think parents have the right to object to having their children militarized while they do something as innocuous as attending a baseball game. Christian days don't really belong in a ballgame, either. Just leave us alone, let us enjoy a day at the park and stop shoving this stuff at us


if a ballpark giving away dog tags and honoring vets is going to "militarize" your kids, you have done an absolute crap job of educating them and getting them prepared for the real world. Serious these events give out hot wheels, bats, and dog tags with the label of a service on it, have a nice little short ceremony that No kid under 12 is even going to notice it going on, and maybe play the particular service theme song during seven inning stretch instead of that godforsaken soup jingle "god bless america".
   51. Jay Z Posted: February 21, 2011 at 06:44 AM (#3754888)
Why are we worried about child poverty in America as well? Shouldn't we just be worried about poverty in America? Or are we simply going to feed the kids and ignore their parents?


Assuming the "nation" (what a concept) has child labor laws, children are not working and thus not in control of their poverty level, unlike their good for nothing parents. The elderly will be plunged into poverty as soon as the Tea Partiers vote away Medicare and SSI for their future selves.

Once the libertarians remove the heavy hand of child labor laws, children will once again be free to use their entrepreneurial skills on the free market. Of course, a reserve army of child labor is needed, say at 5 unemployed children for every working child. No public schools, so the unemployed children will be hanging about somewhere, which just won't do. Concentration camps imply a level of interest, however malevolent, which I don't see our society mustering. Maybe a new Children's Crusade, where the "tuition" of each doomed child on the trip is paid for by garnishing relative's wages.
   52. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: February 21, 2011 at 06:51 AM (#3754890)
nope, saying that the soldiers aren't in it for the money. The politicians, sure.


Extremely small sample size, but my two good friends who joined up did it absolutely for the money. The prestige, country and discipline stuff too, but the money was definitely #1. I doubt they're the only ones. Not that it makes them any less awesome - they're great guys and I love them and hope they never get deployed in a dangerous situation - but there was definitely a financial calculation involved.

As for the global macroeconomic reasons for conflict of course, I don't think they really know about that stuff, nor do they care. Maybe that's more what you were getting at.
   53. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: February 21, 2011 at 06:54 AM (#3754891)
Why are we worried about child poverty in America as well? Shouldn't we just be worried about poverty in America? Or are we simply going to feed the kids and ignore their parents?


I could see an argument to be made that some adults have a hand in their own poverty. Kids have no such control over their circumstances, and thus deserve greater protection.
   54. cardsfanboy Posted: February 21, 2011 at 07:16 AM (#3754895)
Extremely small sample size, but my two good friends who joined up did it absolutely for the money. The prestige, country and discipline stuff too, but the money was definitely #1. I doubt they're the only ones. Not that it makes them any less awesome - they're great guys and I love them and hope they never get deployed in a dangerous situation - but there was definitely a financial calculation involved.

As for the global macroeconomic reasons for conflict of course, I don't think they really know about that stuff, nor do they care. Maybe that's more what you were getting at.


I joined up because I've always wanted to, felt it was something that everyone should do.(a member from my dads side of the family has served during every conflict in U.S. history except Vietnam) I have dozens of friends in, and it was never about money for any of them, it wasn't always about doing it for your country/duty either, and of course the reasons were always complicated, but everyone's stated reason was more than "just a job", and everyone(I'm a former Marine) was proud of who they were.

and yes the soldiers don't care why the reason is, just that it's their duty to do what is asked of them, they unfortunately trust the people in charge to make the right decisions.
   55. Bhaakon Posted: February 21, 2011 at 07:33 AM (#3754898)
I could see an argument to be made that some adults have a hand in their own poverty. Kids have no such control over their circumstances, and thus deserve greater protection.


Unless your planning on taking poor kids away from their families (good luck that that), the only effective way to combat "child poverty" is to combat parent poverty. Which is, unless I'm missing something, the point of the original posters.
   56. Shibal Posted: February 21, 2011 at 07:58 AM (#3754900)
Assuming the "nation" (what a concept) has child labor laws, children are not working and thus not in control of their poverty level, unlike their good for nothing parents. The elderly will be plunged into poverty as soon as the Tea Partiers vote away Medicare and SSI for their future selves.

Once the libertarians remove the heavy hand of child labor laws, children will once again be free to use their entrepreneurial skills on the free market. Of course, a reserve army of child labor is needed, say at 5 unemployed children for every working child. No public schools, so the unemployed children will be hanging about somewhere, which just won't do. Concentration camps imply a level of interest, however malevolent, which I don't see our society mustering. Maybe a new Children's Crusade, where the "tuition" of each doomed child on the trip is paid for by garnishing relative's wages.


Sweet, we have a Kap Fulton sighting!

You left wing nutters just crack me up.
   57. Red Menace Posted: February 21, 2011 at 08:28 AM (#3754902)
I think kids have gotten fairly sophisticated these days. Though it's probably true they don't understand what dog tags are for, they probably wouldn't care too much if you told them anyway.



Growing up my favorite TV show was the 1980s GI Joe cartoon. In a memorable two part episode a group of Joes get accidentally sent into a parallel universe. The first episode ended with them coming across some skeletons, checking them for dog tags only to read their own names. You didn't get that on Sesame Street.
   58. Flynn Posted: February 21, 2011 at 11:11 AM (#3754906)
You left wing nutters just crack me up.


Indeed, there's no way in hell the Tea Party will get rid of Medicare and SSI. Which is one of the main reasons they shouldn't be taken seriously.
   59. Zipperholes Posted: February 21, 2011 at 12:01 PM (#3754907)
I believe in making the world safe for our children, but not for our childrens' children, because I don't think children should be having sex.
   60. Fancy Pants Handle struck out swinging Posted: February 21, 2011 at 12:35 PM (#3754912)
- Has no idea whose face is on any coin or bill.


That one's easy. It's the queen.
   61. alkeiper Posted: February 21, 2011 at 12:40 PM (#3754914)
I guess I'm the only person who glanced at the headline and wondered what the San Diego Chicken was doing.
   62. Swoboda is freedom Posted: February 21, 2011 at 12:51 PM (#3754916)
I would like to point out that dog tags also contain blood type so are used if the soldier is unconscience for medical reasons.

Second of all- "cannon fodder"? Are we going to fight the first world war again?
   63. TerpNats Posted: February 21, 2011 at 01:09 PM (#3754920)
The following are true of the latest intern at my workplace:

- Unable to name any president older than H.W. Bush other than Washington or Lincoln.
- Guessed that the second president was Edison.
- Has no idea whose face is on any coin or bill.
- Unaware that Catholics are Christian.
- Can identify about ten states given a blank map.
- Had never heard the word 'odometer' before.
- Has no idea in which decades WWII occurred.
- So much more...
"Idiocracy" is gradually arriving ahead of schedule. Thank you for warning us, Mike Judge!
   64. Starring RMc as Bradley Scotchman Posted: February 21, 2011 at 01:10 PM (#3754922)
You left wing nutters just crack me up.

Indeed, there's no way in hell the Tea Party will get rid of Medicare and SSI. Which is one of the main reasons they shouldn't be taken seriously.


(RMc leans back in easy chair, grabs popcorn)
   65. flournoy Posted: February 21, 2011 at 01:53 PM (#3754932)
Fluornoy,
How old and what level of education?


He is 22 years old; will graduate from RIT with a software engineering degree in a year or a semester or so.
   66. CFiJ Posted: February 21, 2011 at 02:23 PM (#3754939)
Unless your planning on taking poor kids away from their families (good luck that that), the only effective way to combat "child poverty" is to combat parent poverty. Which is, unless I'm missing something, the point of the original posters.

I'm surprised to have to point this out, but the idea of "combating child poverty" is to specifically help families in poverty. Not just helping kids and ignoring their poor parents. This differs from combating "regular" poverty in the idea that a single person in poverty has an easier time getting out of poverty than a family in poverty does, particularly if, as is often the case, that family in poverty is single-parent.
   67. Joey B. is counting the days to Trea Turner Posted: February 21, 2011 at 02:24 PM (#3754942)
That's really great; we're turning out college graduates now who think Thomas Edison was a president. And these are the "educated" kids; just imagine for a moment how stupid the ones who drop out or can't even get into college must be. The country has a bright future to look forward to.

Teachers sure are lucky they aren't paid based on their performance. If they were they'd be making less than TSA airport screeners.
   68. Flynn Posted: February 21, 2011 at 02:31 PM (#3754945)
I forgot that stupid people only existed after the first teacher's union was formed.
   69. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: February 21, 2011 at 02:42 PM (#3754949)
The following are true of the latest intern at my workplace:

- Unable to name any president older than H.W. Bush other than Washington or Lincoln.
- Guessed that the second president was Edison.
- Has no idea whose face is on any coin or bill.
- Unaware that Catholics are Christian.
- Can identify about ten states given a blank map.
- Had never heard the word 'odometer' before.
- Has no idea in which decades WWII occurred.
- So much more...


That's really great; we're turning out college graduates now who think Thomas Edison was a president. And these are the "educated" kids; just imagine for a moment how stupid the ones who drop out or can't even get into college must be. The country has a bright future to look forward to.

Teachers sure are lucky they aren't paid based on their performance. If they were they'd be making less than TSA airport screeners.


I forgot that stupid people only existed after the first teacher's union was formed.

But hey, why does he have to know all that stupid stuff, anyway, when he can look it all up on the internet?
   70. BDC Posted: February 21, 2011 at 02:54 PM (#3754956)
Unaware that Catholics are Christian

This attitude is common in the Bible Belt, and not always based on ignorance; it's related to the idea that Catholics do not have adult baptism nor an insistence on a conversion experience, nor see Jesus in "personal savior" terms. (Well, that's the nicer side of the attitude; there are less well-informed versions.)

I asked a student once who was writing a paper on religious themes if they were Catholic and they were shocked: "I am not a Catholic! I am a Christian!"
   71. pv nasby Posted: February 21, 2011 at 02:55 PM (#3754958)
Don't even need the tags any more, if the body isnt identifiable, there's the DNA database these days!

Tags aren't reliable for blood type, up to 20 percent in some groups are wrong.
   72. SoSH U at work Posted: February 21, 2011 at 03:07 PM (#3754964)
I guess I'm the only person who glanced at the headline and wondered what the San Diego Chicken was doing.


No, you weren't. I wondered what the objection to the Chicken was too.
   73. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: February 21, 2011 at 03:09 PM (#3754967)
I bet Kap Fulton is a lot of fun to party with.
Oh, he/she/it is.
   74. Scoriano Flitcraft Posted: February 21, 2011 at 03:19 PM (#3754975)
If you asked me what my blood type is, I would have to say dark red. I do not know the phenotype. Is that unusual?
   75. Charles S. is not doing chainsaw bears any more Posted: February 21, 2011 at 03:19 PM (#3754976)
The following are true of the latest intern at my workplace:

- Unable to name any president older than H.W. Bush other than Washington or Lincoln.
- Guessed that the second president was Edison.
- Has no idea whose face is on any coin or bill.
- Unaware that Catholics are Christian.
- Can identify about ten states given a blank map.
- Had never heard the word 'odometer' before.
- Has no idea in which decades WWII occurred.
- So much more...

It's really disturbing.


Well, if you spend thirty years calling everyone with the slightest interest in education an elitist, and bow down to the altar of the regular guy who just knows stuff in his gut, this is what you're going to get.
   76. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: February 21, 2011 at 03:22 PM (#3754978)
Unaware that Catholics are Christian


That's pretty dim for a college undergrad, but depending on how old you were, and when, where, and how you were raised, you might think that "Catholics" and "Christians" were just two separate religions; or you might have even surmised that Catholicism was the semi-official religion of the United States, given the number of heroic priests who showed up in about every third Hollywood movie during Joseph Breen's heyday.
   77. Charles S. is not doing chainsaw bears any more Posted: February 21, 2011 at 03:26 PM (#3754980)
Why are we worried about child poverty in America as well? Shouldn't we just be worried about poverty in America? Or are we simply going to feed the kids and ignore their parents?

I am so with you on this one. You know who else pisses me off? It's those damn breast cancer marchers. I mean I'm as big a fan of breasts as anyone, but what do they have against the poor people with ass cancer, or brain cancer (elitist brainiacs), or lung cancer. If you're not for curing everything, you should really just shut up.
   78. Scoriano Flitcraft Posted: February 21, 2011 at 03:29 PM (#3754981)
I am so with you on this one. You know who else pisses me off? It's those damn breast cancer marchers. I mean I'm as big a fan of breasts as anyone, but what do they have against the poor people with ass cancer, or brain cancer (elitist brainiacs), or lung cancer. If you're not for curing everything, you should really just shut up.


It's a matter of taste. Not everything should be cured. Some things are best smoked or dry-aged.
   79. Scoriano Flitcraft Posted: February 21, 2011 at 03:29 PM (#3754982)
Or pickled.
   80. Every Inge Counts Posted: February 21, 2011 at 03:30 PM (#3754983)
- Unable to name any president older than H.W. Bush other than Washington or Lincoln.
- Guessed that the second president was Edison.
- Has no idea whose face is on any coin or bill.
- Unaware that Catholics are Christian.
- Can identify about ten states given a blank map.
- Had never heard the word 'odometer' before.
- Has no idea in which decades WWII occurred.
- So much more...



I can do all of that and I can't even get a job! They need to put that on the next application I put in.
   81. Scoriano Flitcraft Posted: February 21, 2011 at 03:30 PM (#3754984)
Or dry-roasted.
   82. Charles S. is not doing chainsaw bears any more Posted: February 21, 2011 at 03:36 PM (#3754989)
I guess I'm the only person who glanced at the headline and wondered what the San Diego Chicken was doing.

Me, too. I was all ready to argue that chickens should be an instrument of tastiness, not war. That being said, I would fight to keep funding for chicken catapults in the DoD budget if those catapults were produced in my district.
   83. SteveM. Posted: February 21, 2011 at 03:39 PM (#3754992)
The following are true of the latest intern at my workplace:

- Unable to name any president older than H.W. Bush other than Washington or Lincoln.
- Guessed that the second president was Edison.
- Has no idea whose face is on any coin or bill.
- Unaware that Catholics are Christian.
- Can identify about ten states given a blank map.
- Had never heard the word 'odometer' before.
- Has no idea in which decades WWII occurred.
- So much more...

It's really disturbing.


Welcome to my world. On a recent test, I put a question that I was sure was a slam dunk easy one-who did the United States fight in the Spanish-American war. Half the class answered Mexico. Sigh.
   84. BDC Posted: February 21, 2011 at 03:44 PM (#3754995)
If you asked me what my blood type is, I would have to say dark red. I do not know the phenotype. Is that unusual?

If you've never given or gotten blood, why would you know? I guess it's a good thing to know, but if you ever really really need to know it you're likely to be unconscious anyway.

As a longtime blood donor, I know mine, but thanks be I've never had to find out any other way.
   85. Joey B. is counting the days to Trea Turner Posted: February 21, 2011 at 03:49 PM (#3754998)
Welcome to my world. On a recent test, I put a question that I was sure was a slam dunk easy one-who did the United States fight in the Spanish-American war. Half the class answered Mexico. Sigh.

The really scary thing is that when I meet many of these recent graduates coming into the workforce today, they're the most confident, self-assured generation of young adults I've ever seen. They think they know darn near just about everything, but in reality they are probably the most ignorant and poorly educated generation we've had in our history.

Our country has been perfectly set up to have our lunch eaten; we're totally screwed and when it hits the fan we won't know what the hell hit us.
   86. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: February 21, 2011 at 03:53 PM (#3754999)
The following are true of the latest intern at my workplace:

- Unable to name any president older than H.W. Bush other than Washington or Lincoln.
- Guessed that the second president was Edison.
- Has no idea whose face is on any coin or bill.
- Unaware that Catholics are Christian.
- Can identify about ten states given a blank map.
- Had never heard the word 'odometer' before.
- Has no idea in which decades WWII occurred.
- So much more...

It's really disturbing.


So you hired a stupid intern. Do a better job interviewing next time.
   87. Don Lock Posted: February 21, 2011 at 03:54 PM (#3755000)
#54 -
(a member from my dads side of the family has served during every conflict in U.S. history except Vietnam)

How old is this guy, anyway?
   88. The Good Face Posted: February 21, 2011 at 03:54 PM (#3755001)
The following are true of the latest intern at my workplace:

- Unable to name any president older than H.W. Bush other than Washington or Lincoln.
- Guessed that the second president was Edison.
- Has no idea whose face is on any coin or bill.
- Unaware that Catholics are Christian.
- Can identify about ten states given a blank map.
- Had never heard the word 'odometer' before.
- Has no idea in which decades WWII occurred.
- So much more...

It's really disturbing.


None of that is even remotely surprising. My girlfriend is a university english professor and gets displays of ignorance that beat that on a regular basis. My recent favorite was the girl who wrote an essay about Benjamin Franklin's escape from slavery and his subsequent rise to literacy. This from an english major in her junior year.
   89. pv nasby Posted: February 21, 2011 at 04:01 PM (#3755004)
#54 -
(a member from my dads side of the family has served during every conflict in U.S. history except Vietnam)

How old is this guy, anyway?


Nobody really knows, he just shows up in Astro City when needed.
   90. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: February 21, 2011 at 04:04 PM (#3755005)
Welcome to my world. On a recent test, I put a question that I was sure was a slam dunk easy one-who did the United States fight in the Spanish-American war. Half the class answered Mexico. Sigh.
Well, we obviously fought Spanish-America. i.e., Mexico.
   91. Alex meets the threshold for granular review Posted: February 21, 2011 at 04:09 PM (#3755008)
They think they know darn near just about everything, but in reality they are probably the most ignorant and poorly educated generation we've had in our history.


This is laughable on its face.
   92. Captain Joe Bivens, Elderly Northeastern Jew Posted: February 21, 2011 at 04:10 PM (#3755009)
Well, if you spend thirty years calling everyone with the slightest interest in education an elitist, and bow down to the altar of the regular guy who just knows stuff in his gut, this is what you're going to get.

Hey!
   93. McCoy Posted: February 21, 2011 at 04:10 PM (#3755011)
I'm surprised to have to point this out, but the idea of "combating child poverty" is to specifically help families in poverty. Not just helping kids and ignoring their poor parents. This differs from combating "regular" poverty in the idea that a single person in poverty has an easier time getting out of poverty than a family in poverty does, particularly if, as is often the case, that family in poverty is single-parent.

But the only reason we call it "child poverty" is to manipulate people and their feelings. We do it with seafood and we do it with causes as well.
   94. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: February 21, 2011 at 04:11 PM (#3755012)
If you've never given or gotten blood, why would you know?

In science class in 7th grade, we pricked our fingers and determined our blood types. But this was the 80s and we were trying to defeat communism, so we worked really hard. Hence the common sobriquet as The Greatest Generation.
   95. Swoboda is freedom Posted: February 21, 2011 at 04:14 PM (#3755014)
(a member from my dads side of the family has served during every conflict in U.S. history except Vietnam)

How old is this guy, anyway?


Well according to the intern, he is at least 50 or 60.
   96. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: February 21, 2011 at 04:21 PM (#3755018)
In science class in 7th grade, we pricked our fingers

While in the bathroom, you fingered ...
   97. Accent Shallow lives every week like Shark Week Posted: February 21, 2011 at 04:22 PM (#3755019)
Every generation has its morons. I mean, just yesterday, I met a 75 year old who couldn't explain to me the difference between secant and hyperbolic secant! Can you imagine?
   98. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: February 21, 2011 at 04:23 PM (#3755020)
Welcome to my world. On a recent test, I put a question that I was sure was a slam dunk easy one-who did the United States fight in the Spanish-American war. Half the class answered Mexico. Sigh.


Well, we obviously fought Spanish-America. i.e., Mexico.

They didn't censor Sicko in Cuba, and they didn't fight the Spanish-American War in Mexico. Perhaps you're thinking of the one 50 years earlier.
   99. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: February 21, 2011 at 04:23 PM (#3755021)
who did the United States fight in the Spanish-American war


How could they forget the Rough Riders?
   100. Captain Joe Bivens, Elderly Northeastern Jew Posted: February 21, 2011 at 04:25 PM (#3755023)
My recent favorite was the girl who wrote an essay about Benjamin Franklin's escape from slavery and his subsequent rise to literacy. This from an english major in her junior year.

It's probable that there was at least one illiterate slave named Benjamin Franklin.
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