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Saturday, December 12, 2020

Texas Rangers statement on the passing of Charley Pride

“The Texas Rangers join the Country Music world in mourning the loss of Charley Pride. While Mr. Pride was a legendary performer who entertained millions of fans in the United States and around the world, we will remember him as a true friend to this franchise.

“Mr. Pride’s first love was baseball. He pitched professionally in the Negro and Minor Leagues throughout the 1950’s before embarking on his Hall of Fame singing career of more than 60 years. Mr. Pride then became a regular participant at Texas Rangers spring training camps in Pompano Beach and Port Charlotte, Florida and Surprise, Arizona, working out with the team and staging an annual clubhouse concert for players and staff, a tradition that continued through this past spring.

“The Rangers have been honored to have Mr. Pride be a part of the team’s ownership group for the last ten years. A longtime resident of this area, he was a regular at home games when his schedule permitted. He sang The Star Spangled Banner one final time before the first regular season game ever played at Globe Life Field on July 24.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 12, 2020 at 05:30 PM | 40 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Howie Menckel Posted: December 12, 2020 at 07:31 PM (#5993836)
won't be the first angel he kissed good morning.....
   2. WKRP in Cincinnatus Posted: December 12, 2020 at 11:03 PM (#5993873)
You don’t have to call me Merle Haggard, anymore.
   3. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: December 13, 2020 at 01:50 AM (#5993879)
...and now he can get into the hall of fame.
   4. . . . . . . Posted: December 13, 2020 at 07:47 AM (#5993881)
You don’t have to call me Merle Haggard, anymore


He may be a racist but that song is better than anything Charlie Pride ever did.
   5. bookbook Posted: December 13, 2020 at 10:16 AM (#5993884)
How many other, notfamous people, got sick and died by attending the crowded, unmasked country music awards?
   6. GregD Posted: December 13, 2020 at 12:35 PM (#5993907)
He may be a racist but that song is better than anything Charlie Pride ever did.


Assume you’re referring to the anti Muslim stuff? I don’t remember him being racist against black people and of course he pushed to release the first big label country song on interracial marriage in the sixties that the label buried. He had lots of racist fans no doubt but was himself liberal on many issues. His pro Hillary song isn’t great lyrically but is notable.

In terms of judging Pride against Merle Haggard, well sure but it’s like saying you like Jim Edmonds? Well he was no Babe Ruth! It’s true but in the sense that it’s banal. It’s true of everyone. Pride was a really really good singer; you may have him at Edmonds level, someone else at Larry Walker, someone else at Billy Williams, someone else at Reggie Smith level. But wherever you slot him he’s going to be in top of the HOVG or bottom of HOF and there’s a lot more to be said about that then that he wasn’t Babe Ruth
   7. Howie Menckel Posted: December 13, 2020 at 02:59 PM (#5993919)

sources I don't fully trust:

- an organization under attack
- random numbskulls on Twitter

"Everyone affiliated with the CMA Awards followed strict testing protocols outlined by the city health department and unions. Charley was tested prior to traveling to Nashville. He was tested upon landing in Nashville, and again on show day, with all tests coming back negative," the statement posted on the CMA's website reads. "After returning to Texas following the CMA Awards, Charley again tested negative multiple times."

"We are following all protocols that have been put in place by the CDC as well as the creative unions to ensure we provide the safest environment possible," the statement read. "Prior to even stepping onto our footprint at MCC, every single person (including artists and their reps) was required to be tested, with many testing repeatedly throughout the week as an extra measure of precaution. Just as with COVID regulations at restaurants, all in attendance are required to wear a mask any time they leave their assigned seat. Staff and crew are also required to wear PPE at all times and, of course, practice social and physical distancing. Tables are spaced eight feet apart with no more than four people seated per table."
   8. . . . . . . Posted: December 13, 2020 at 06:49 PM (#5993944)
David Allan Coe may or not be a racist, but he’s a hell of a lot more racist than most people:
https://www.nytimes.com/2000/09/04/arts/songwriter-s-racist-songs-from-1980-s-haunt-him.html
He literally recorded a song entitled “N*****r F******r”.

But as he himself as pointed out in his defense, many of his best friends were black. And “You Never Even Called Me By My Name” was written by Steve Goodman (with help from Prine) who was, of course, a nice Jewish boy. So it’s all complicated. But Coe was probably a racist.

I think of Pride as the paradigmatic example of that sound that all the outlaw guys rebelled against, and that Sound aged terribly. The songs don’t really hold up.
   9. GregD Posted: December 13, 2020 at 07:24 PM (#5993947)
Coe definitely! Unquestionably. Know people who lived around him when he was in Dickson county and zero question. I misread your remark as about Haggard who gets an undeserved rep. My bad

I wouldn’t be surprised if Coe is the type of racist who enjoys even craves being around certain kinds of black people but no doubt he’s a racist
   10. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 13, 2020 at 10:04 PM (#5993964)
David Allan Coe

I'll take people no one has ever heard on for $800 Alex.
   11. Howie Menckel Posted: December 13, 2020 at 10:19 PM (#5993967)
Coe is extremely well known within the country music community.

Goodman and Prine are on a higher tier with the public - but not showing up as a "Jeopardy" answer, either. fwiw, Goodman wrote "A Dying Cubs Fan's Last Request" - when he was dying. it's hilarious and poignant all at once. a mandatory listen for any BBTF visitor.

there are similar performers in every genre - the general public is unfamiliar, but in this case nobody who ever took the stage at even the lowliest "open mike night" in Nashville would draw a blank on Coe.

and per the "Name" song - in the middle of it, a spoken verse....

"Well, a friend of mine named Steve Goodman wrote that song
And he told me it was the perfect country & western song
I wrote him back a letter and I told him it was not the perfect country & western song
Because he hadn't said anything at all about mama
Or trains, or trucks, or prison, or getting' drunk
Well, he sat down and wrote another verse to the song and he sent it to me
And after reading it I realized that my friend had written the perfect country & western song
And I felt obliged to include it on this album
The last verse goes like this here:

'Well, I was drunk the day my momma got out of prison
And I went to pick her up in the rain
But before I could get to the station in my pickup truck
She got run over by a damned old train...."

[it goes on]

   12. depletion Posted: December 13, 2020 at 11:11 PM (#5993973)
My late brother worked for David Allan Coe. I have heard of him.
   13. . . . . . . Posted: December 13, 2020 at 11:34 PM (#5993978)
Coe’s a really good performer. Compare Goodman’s recording of YNECMBMN with Coe’s. Goodman wrote the damn thing but he can’t hold a candle to Coe as a performer.

Hall is a bit like Goodman too. He’s a perfectly cromulent singer but the top performers do better with his material.

One of the nice parts about country music is that they still understand that there’s nothing necessarily inauthentic about a professional performer performing and a professional songwriter songwriting.
   14. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 14, 2020 at 09:15 AM (#5994012)
Coe must be really big in the midwest. I used to hear him all the time in college in Ohio, and even visiting friends at campuses in Kansas and Missouri.
   15. Zonk is now Unified Posted: December 14, 2020 at 09:16 AM (#5994013)
I saw Pride at my one and only trip to the Grand Ole Opry a couple years ago - he was a very energetic performer. Jesse McReynolds was also on the bill that night (the headliners were Sara Evans and Montgomery Gentry - this was about 3 months before Gentry died in the helicopter crash).

Good show.
   16. Rally Posted: December 14, 2020 at 09:51 AM (#5994024)
How many people who played minor league baseball became famous in a completely unrelated career? (Not counting other sports, so leave out John Elway and Michael Jordan).

Charley Pride
Mike Ilitch
Mario Cuomo
Randy Poffo (sports entertainment - not sport)
Kurt Russell
   17. SoSH U at work Posted: December 14, 2020 at 09:59 AM (#5994028)
How many people who played minor league baseball became famous in a completely unrelated career? (Not counting other sports, so leave out John Elway and Michael Jordan).


Before BBRef, approximately half of all U.S. males had played a little minor league baseball.
   18. Harmon "Thread Killer" Microbrew Posted: December 14, 2020 at 10:10 AM (#5994031)
Before BBRef, approximately half of all U.S. males had played a little minor league baseball.


I giggled.
   19. Howie Menckel Posted: December 14, 2020 at 11:50 AM (#5994050)
and half of the rest were scouted enthusiastically by at least one MLB team - until the injury just before the big tryout.
   20. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 14, 2020 at 11:57 AM (#5994053)
Charley Pride
Mike Ilitch
Mario Cuomo
Randy Poffo (sports entertainment - not sport)
Kurt Russell


Vegas entertainer Danny Gans played in the White Sox system
Actor Scott Patterson (Gilmore Girls)
Actor Paul Gleason (Breakfast Club)
Director Ron Shelton (Bull Durham)
Dwight Eisenhower claimed to have played in a low level Kansas league
   21. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: December 14, 2020 at 12:10 PM (#5994056)
George Bush, Sr. didn't play pro ball, but he might have been able to after starring at Yale. Of course, he was 24 by the time he graduated because of his Navy service. Besides, the family business was something else.
   22. Jarrod HypnerotomachiaPoliphili (TeddyF.Ballgame) Posted: December 14, 2020 at 12:15 PM (#5994057)
How many people who played minor league baseball became famous in a completely unrelated career? (Not counting other sports, so leave out John Elway and Michael Jordan)


Chuck Connors. Or are we not counting people who had a cup of big-league coffee? Come to think, I guess he was also a two-sport player, but that's not why he was famous.
   23. Zonk is now Unified Posted: December 14, 2020 at 12:26 PM (#5994059)
George Bush, Sr. didn't play pro ball, but he might have been able to after starring at Yale. Of course, he was 24 by the time he graduated because of his Navy service. Besides, the family business was something else.


I don't think so.... HW did captain the Yale team - but he hit .212 with no power as a 1B... He didn't really "star" at Yale.
   24. vortex of dissipation Posted: December 14, 2020 at 12:28 PM (#5994060)
Actor Casey Sander.
He's probably not famous among the general public, but former Cardinals minor league third baseman Rocky Byrne is well known to WW2 aviation historians, becoming an ace fighter pilot flying P-40s with the 57th FG.
   25. Rally Posted: December 14, 2020 at 01:56 PM (#5994076)
I think Chuck Connors is a good addition to the list
   26. sunday silence (again) Posted: December 14, 2020 at 01:58 PM (#5994077)
do we count actor JOhn Berardino who played MLB for the Browns in the years before they won the pennant. He played a doctor on one of the TV soaps.
   27. sunday silence (again) Posted: December 14, 2020 at 02:01 PM (#5994080)
a fun video of Charley Pride:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYX6zSG3X8A

Keep watching at 2.02
   28. SoSH U at work Posted: December 14, 2020 at 02:05 PM (#5994082)
You can count who you want, but I would think it should be limited to the guys who never got out of the minors, as a stint in the big leagues can be a launching pad for the kind of alternate career AROM was talking about. Wade Boggs doesn't have an IMDB page if he topped out at Pawtucket and Jim Bunning likely never gets elected to the Senate without a HoF baseball career.
   29. Rally Posted: December 14, 2020 at 02:13 PM (#5994086)
I would not count Berardino, as he played 11 years in the big leagues. Before my time but looks like a case where his baseball fame translated into another career. Agree on Bunning and Boggs. For Connors, he was only in the big leagues for 2 years, and one of those was a single AB. So I think his acting fame was earned independently from his baseball days.
   30. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: December 14, 2020 at 03:13 PM (#5994114)
I don't think so.... HW did captain the Yale team - but he hit .212 with no power as a 1B... He didn't really "star" at Yale.


That's what I get for taking wiki at face value, I guess.
   31. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 14, 2020 at 03:24 PM (#5994120)

Before BBRef, approximately half of all U.S. males had played a little minor league baseball.


Now its "I coulda been drafted" as former presidential candidate Bill Richardson and even Trump have claimed.
   32. Swoboda is freedom Posted: December 14, 2020 at 03:25 PM (#5994121)
How many people who played minor league baseball became famous in a completely unrelated career? (Not counting other sports, so leave out John Elway and Michael Jordan).


Pat Jordan
   33. Rally Posted: December 14, 2020 at 04:15 PM (#5994140)
Pat Jordan's a good one, and I happen to be in the middle of reading A False Spring right now. But the careers are related - the subject of the book that put him on the map is his minor league career. He certainly achieved a lot in the writing world beyond that.

When reading a book like that I spend a lot of time looking up some of the teammates he writes about, see whatever became of their careers. And of course looked up Jordan's too. The amazing thing is that in addition to the 1959-1961 period, he pitched a scoreless inning in 1997, when he was 56. I did find his writeup of that experience.
   34. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: December 14, 2020 at 04:45 PM (#5994153)
Fun fact: the 1959 McCook (NE) Braves had five future big-leaguers in Luis Alcaraz, Bruce Brubaker, Elrod Hendricks, Ron Hunt and of course Phil Niekro. (Arguably the player with the best season was 21-year-old William Stevens, who slashed 317/423/514, moved up to Class C Eau Claire in 1960 and hit .279, but never played again.)
   35. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: December 14, 2020 at 05:18 PM (#5994164)
Art Rooney played some minor league baseball...he became famous as an NFL owner, not a player, so I think he counts.
   36. Lowry Seasoning Salt Posted: December 14, 2020 at 06:54 PM (#5994181)
Kurt Russell played in the minors for a couple years.
   37. DonPedro Posted: December 14, 2020 at 06:59 PM (#5994182)
Re: 31. Nah, he couldn't have been drafted.
Bone spurs
   38. Swoboda is freedom Posted: December 14, 2020 at 10:35 PM (#5994216)
Pat Jordan's a good one, and I happen to be in the middle of reading A False Spring right now. But the careers are related - the subject of the book that put him on the map is his minor league career. He certainly achieved a lot in the writing world beyond tha


I grew up down the street from Jordan and would hang out with his son. I used to have a signed copy of False Spring and Black Coach. This was before he left his wife for Meg Ryan's mom.
   39. Ken Griffey Junior Bacon Cheeseburger Posted: December 14, 2020 at 10:41 PM (#5994217)
How many people who played minor league baseball became famous in a completely unrelated career? (Not counting other sports, so leave out John Elway and Michael Jordan).


Bert Convy played a little bit in the Phillies' system. He later became known as a game show host (Tattletales, Super Password, Win Lose or Draw)
   40. Perry Posted: December 16, 2020 at 12:31 PM (#5994482)
Not baseball, but I recently learned that Bruce Bennett, who was a significant Hollywood character actor in the 40s and 50s (among others, he had key roles in Mildred Pierce, Dark Passage, Treasure of Sierra Madre, and the original Angels in the Outfield), played lineman in the Rose Bowl for U of Washington and also won a silver medal in the shot put in the 1928 Olympics.

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