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Friday, July 16, 2021

The 2nd Half Stretch Run OMNICHATTER!, for July 16, 17, 18, 2021

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Hombre Brotani Posted: July 16, 2021 at 04:20 AM | 73 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. The Duke Posted: July 16, 2021 at 02:31 PM (#6029304)
Starlin Castro with a DV incident. It’s never ending.
   2. JJ1986 Posted: July 16, 2021 at 02:37 PM (#6029306)
Milb tv is free this weekend. (I've never tried it.)
   3. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: July 16, 2021 at 05:06 PM (#6029320)
Per Matt Gelb of the Athletic:
Zack Wheeler, Aaron Nola and Zach Eflin — pitched to a 3.48 ERA in 53 starts. The Phillies went 26-27 in those games. The rest of their starters combined for a 5.65 ERA in 35 games. The Phillies went 18-17 in those.

Phils are 5-1 in in Matt Moore’s starts. His ERA in those starts is 5.92. He’s given up 2 in 2 innings so far today, so I doubt his ERA will drop by the time he finishes up.
   4. The Duke Posted: July 16, 2021 at 05:54 PM (#6029324)
Voit down and out again. It looks like his three wishes from the genie have all been used up
   5. mathesond Posted: July 16, 2021 at 09:23 PM (#6029340)
Vlad's hit a couple homers already. Jays kicking off what appears to be the final Buffalo homestand with a bang.
   6. Howie Menckel Posted: July 16, 2021 at 09:31 PM (#6029341)
Montgomery got no runs from his "offense" for his 5th straight start tonight, tying an all-time Yankees record.

and today was Hoy Park's Yankees debut, but - OY VEY! - he just grounded out with 2 on base to end the 7th with the Sox leading 3-0.
   7. Howie Menckel Posted: July 16, 2021 at 09:57 PM (#6029342)

Stroman got the last out in the 5th against The Big Nogowski of the Pirates, and each jawed at each other by uttering the same "talking shi t" phrase as part of their, well, talking shi t. this is one of the more easily lipread chats of the season, if anyone cares enough to follow up and elaborate.

Stroman was the more animated of the two and had to be restrained, then kept up his anger while in the dugout.

among the peacemakers was Thor, who had neither his hammer nor his uniform with him. not much upside to his being on the field (and as an IL guy, can he be on the field even for a brouhaha/donnybrook? this was more of a "verbal scuffle.")
   8. The Duke Posted: July 16, 2021 at 10:09 PM (#6029344)
Lindor looks like he is out with an oblique. Not a good start for Mets
   9. Walt Davis Posted: July 16, 2021 at 10:09 PM (#6029345)
These are pretty boring unis but easily the best I've ever seen the DBacks wear. And Serpientes is a much better name than Diamondbacks.
   10. Walt Davis Posted: July 16, 2021 at 10:15 PM (#6029346)
And if Marquee/Cubs intend to inflict Sutcliffe on us for the next few years then I am 100% in favor of a total teardown and rebuild so I won't even be tempted to watch over the next few years. I don't believe in Hell but if it exists, I know Sutcliffe it involves forced listening to Sutcliffe.
   11. Walt Davis Posted: July 16, 2021 at 10:18 PM (#6029347)
as an IL guy, can he be on the field even for a brouhaha/donnybrook?

Maybe he was there as an interpreter
   12. Hombre Brotani Posted: July 16, 2021 at 10:43 PM (#6029351)
I'm so, so tired of Andrew Heaney.
   13. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: July 16, 2021 at 11:20 PM (#6029355)
Padres with the 24-8 lead. Unfortunately they couldn't plate a run in the 7th and just missed out on the scoring in every inning thing which I believe is rare. Can someone smarter than me look this up and see how often it's been done.
   14. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: July 16, 2021 at 11:26 PM (#6029356)
Since 1900, only two teams have managed to score in each of nine innings of a game. On June 1, 1923, the New York Giants did it against the Philadelphia Phillies, winning 22-8. On September 13, 1964, the St. Louis Cardinals beat the Chicago Cubs 15-2 and likewise never gave the opposing pitchers an inning to be proud of.

   15. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: July 16, 2021 at 11:30 PM (#6029358)
#14, thx and wow I didn't think it was THAT infrequent. I was thinking it happened on the level of unassisted triple play/perfect game type of thing.
   16. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 16, 2021 at 11:37 PM (#6029361)
In that Padres @ Nationals run-fest, the Padres Jake Cronenworth hit for the cycle & Will Myers had 7 RBI, while Juan Soto had 2 HRs, and 4 hits, for the Nationals.
   17. Tom Nawrocki Posted: July 16, 2021 at 11:41 PM (#6029362)
Chi Chi Gonzalez broke the Rockies' string of 18 straight games where their starting pitcher gave up no more than three runs. And broke it good, giving the Dodgers five runs in the first.
   18. The Duke Posted: July 16, 2021 at 11:42 PM (#6029364)
Crawford left cardinals game with hamstring pull
   19. Walt Davis Posted: July 17, 2021 at 05:26 AM (#6029374)
Ooh, it's a full weekend omnichatter so this might not go to waste ...

Braves trade for Stephen Vogt, sending the DBacks a minor-league 1B named Mason Berne.

Now they traded another minor-league 1B the other day to the Cubs for Joc Pederson. And if you thought the Cubs return was light ... Berne is a 25-yo who hasn't yet played above rookie ball and has 5 HR in 250 PA ... as a 1B.
   20. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: July 17, 2021 at 02:29 PM (#6029405)
I’m going to my first game at Guaranteed Rate Field tonight. My son in Chicago has adopted them because it’s way cheaper and less frat boyish than Wrigley. He couldn’t care less about baseball but he likes events. He has a weird mix of genes; neither my wife nor I are partial to crowds/events.
   21. Howie Menckel Posted: July 17, 2021 at 04:22 PM (#6029409)
Steve Gelbs
NEWS: Lindor to the IL with a right oblique strain
   22. The Duke Posted: July 17, 2021 at 05:39 PM (#6029414)
NL Least is up for grabs
   23. Howie Menckel Posted: July 17, 2021 at 06:07 PM (#6029417)
Mike Puma
Jacob deGrom felt tightness in his forearm during his bullpen session. He's not pitching Monday.

Tim Healey
Luis Rojas says Jacob deGrom got an MRI and it showed no structural damage.

Bob Nightengale
NY #Mets shortstop Francisco Lindor says he has no timetable on when he can return. "I'd love to say it's day to day, but it's not. It's more week to week.''
   24. Walt Davis Posted: July 17, 2021 at 07:28 PM (#6029422)
Cubs come back from down one with 2 outs in b9 to up 4-2 thanks to some clutch hitting. Kimbrel on for his first save since June 20 (not his fault, no save opportunities either). And it's over.

EDIT: After that save on June 20, the Cubs were 40-32. So they went 5-14 between Kimbrel saves.
   25. Walt Davis Posted: July 17, 2021 at 07:35 PM (#6029423)
The Cubs do have a pretty weak schedule in the 2nd half. One more in Ari then 4 in StL then Ari for 3 in Wrigley. They get series with KC, Mia, 4 with Minn ... 2 series with Rox, Pitt and Cards. Of course it's not clear the Cubs are actually better than any of those teams but it should help keep them around 500 at season's end at least.
   26. Howie Menckel Posted: July 17, 2021 at 07:39 PM (#6029424)
Alex Speier
An crying infant in a Red Sox jersey was just shown on the Yankee Stadium scoreboard. He was booed.
7:23 PM · Jul 17, 2021


this inspired some Twitter retorts, including:

himboRainbow mr. slice
Replying to
update: the same infant just struck out brett gardner on three pitches

Replying to
Any word on if the Infant flipped off the crowd and started a Yankees suck chant in retaliation?

Hank Waddles
Replying to
Not sure what the big deal is. I’d boo *my own* baby if he was wearing a Red Sox jersey.

Bruins Off-Season 2021
Replying to
They shouldn’t boo. With the way things are going for the Yankees, the infant will be starting in RF for them next week.
   27. Walt Davis Posted: July 17, 2021 at 07:45 PM (#6029425)
Crikey -- DBacks are 15-30 ... at home!
   28. TomH Posted: July 17, 2021 at 07:51 PM (#6029427)
tracking a possible unique team accomplishment:

From 1901 thru 2019, only one team had ever lead its league in both scoring runs and preventing runs 3 seasons in a row. They did it four years consecutively; the 1936-39 New York Yankees, probably the greatest dynasty ever.

In 2020, the Los Angeles Dodgers completed a 3-year run of this feat (2018-2020), to become the 2nd team to accomplish this.

In 2021, to date, the Dodgers lead the NL in runs scored per game, and are narrowly off the lead in runs allowed per game also
team G .RA R/G
SFG 90 327 3.63
NYM 88 322 3.66
LAD 92 335 3.67 (4 fewer runs would put them in first)

Possible the health of Mr de Grom will determine if the Dahgers make it four in a row.
   29. Walt Davis Posted: July 17, 2021 at 08:06 PM (#6029429)
Of course 2020 gets a bit of an asterisk. But if they do pull it off this year too, that will be something. It's particularly impressive they lead in scoring given Dodger Stadium is still a bit of a pitcher's park.

Meanwhile, I'm curious what the record is for most RS in 2 games -- the Padres have scored 5 through 3 so far while leaving plenty of runners on.
   30. Howie Menckel Posted: July 17, 2021 at 08:19 PM (#6029432)
while more Mets go down, JD Davis is BACK in a big way - returned yesterday after missing a couple of months and just hit a rocket way beyond the dead-CF fence in Pittsburgh, to the delight of what looked like an entire OF section filled with Mets fans (possibly the 7 Line crew).

HR also inspired an audible "Let's Go Mets!" chant. those fans do travel, as they say.
   31. Howie Menckel Posted: July 17, 2021 at 09:10 PM (#6029434)
and Davis just homered again.
   32. Howie Menckel Posted: July 17, 2021 at 09:28 PM (#6029436)
for those of us who have tried to explain how weird this Yankees roster is, Fox graphic notes that the Yankees are last or second-to-last in all of MLB in:

- runners thrown out on the bases, 35
- runners thrown out at home, 15
- stolen bases, 20
- taking extra base, 33%
- how often do their baserunners score, 27%

the idea that Kluber and Taillon were your No. 2 and 3 SPs always struck me as bizarre, and this is an offense - well, all year it has felt as if GM Cashman was looking to get fired.

not true, duh. but if you had wanted to, this was a great blueprint.
   33. The Duke Posted: July 17, 2021 at 09:39 PM (#6029437)
Lot of big names going down all at once acuna, Ian Anderson, castellanos, lindor, Degrom,Crawford, posey. And rendon and Kershaw

Tough times for some key players
   34. cardsfanboy Posted: July 17, 2021 at 09:52 PM (#6029440)
Cardinals actually won a game. Alex Reyes has 23 consecutive saves to start his career, not sure if that is something impressive or not, but it's something.
   35. Howie Menckel Posted: July 17, 2021 at 09:59 PM (#6029442)

Dan Kolko
Tonight’s game has been called. Obviously. The Nats have confirmed a shooting outside the third base gate. No more baseball tonight, as everyone’s safety takes priority. Hope everyone is ok. We’ll talk to you here from Nats Park tomorrow.


[Padres led, 8-4, in the 6th inning]
   36. The Duke Posted: July 17, 2021 at 10:03 PM (#6029443)
Active shooters at Baseball games - just great
   37. Howie Menckel Posted: July 17, 2021 at 10:05 PM (#6029444)
Dan Kolko
Everything is totally calm within Nationals Park at this point. Fans are being told to leave through them CF and RF gates. Gunshots were heard on the third base side OUTSIDE the ballpark. A scary situation, but fans are filing out calmly.


[hmm, let's just say I would not be in the "first wave" of exiting fans.]
   38. Tom Nawrocki Posted: July 17, 2021 at 10:09 PM (#6029445)
Mookie Betts just limped into second base on a double, then left the Dodgers-Rockies game.
   39. rr would lock Shaq's a$$ up Posted: July 17, 2021 at 10:16 PM (#6029446)
DC Police Department
MPD is responding to a shooting in the 1500 block of South Capitol Street, SW, in which two people where shot outside of Nationals Park. This is currently an active investigation and it appears there is no ongoing threat at this time.
   40. Howie Menckel Posted: July 17, 2021 at 10:28 PM (#6029447)
spit show in The Bronx

start of game was delayed for an hour because oh, no, it looked like it might rain.
didn't, apparently, so they started at 8 pm for Fox national TV - and a biblical flood ever since.

1-1 in the 6th when the Sox leave the field after an angry Yankees "fan" tosses a baseball at (and possiblt hits) LF Verdugo.

play resumes in the monsoon, and Sanchez launches a titanic shot to RF.
this ball had to be 300 feet, maybe as much as 315 feet, even.

fan - who looks old enough, perhaps, to be 2021 Jeffrey Maier - tries for an encore, but the ball hit him above the wrist so it's a legit Little League HR and Yanks lead, 2-1.


also Phillies blew a 2-0 run lead in the 9th and now THAT game is monsoon-delayed at 2-2

cagey veteran OF Pollock hits his 7th HR of this short-schedule month of July and would be a fine stretch-run bat for anyone if - he wasn't already on the Dodgers

Jim Acosta
CNN: Four people shot outside of Nationals Park during baseball game Saturday night, according to updated information from DC’s Metropolitan Police Department.
   41. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: July 17, 2021 at 10:53 PM (#6029451)
Fun game at the White Sox stadium. Giolito loses SO in the 8th, throws a 3 hit complete game. Sox hit 5 HRs in a 10-1 win.

Bad news, we just miss out transfer train, wait for the next one in 12 minutes — which gets canceled. Next one is 20 minutes later. Oh well.
   42. Howie Menckel Posted: July 17, 2021 at 11:02 PM (#6029455)
for Mets update, please refer to the "Self-Immolation Thread"


Bob Klapisch
Before the current rain delay, Cole was on the mound to start the 7th inning. He’d been in the dugout for 40 minutes. Wut. #Yankees
   43. The Duke Posted: July 17, 2021 at 11:17 PM (#6029457)
Can anyone explain why the Red Sox and Yankees were playing in that monsoon ?
   44. Howie Menckel Posted: July 17, 2021 at 11:41 PM (#6029469)
WERE playing?

the next update on tonight's game is 10 minutes away. it's not even suspended yet

the sideline guy - Rosenthal? - said that in 25 years, it's the worst conditions he's ever seen for a game being played.

me, too

they did reschedule Thursday's makeup game of BOS-NYY til Aug 24, but I think the weather is ok tomorrow so why not play 2?

the Mets played TEN doubleheaders before the All-Star break - the most in MLB to that point since 1978 Blue Jays

Kristie Ackert
Alex Cora is out signing and taking pitchers with fans. He's waving the fans down to him. #Yankees #REDSox

Kristie Ackert
Or he was until some fans started getting vulgar...

Kristie Ackert
The rain has stopped

Kristie Ackert
Game called #Yankees win

New York Yankees
Battled for a Rivalry W.
   45. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 17, 2021 at 11:48 PM (#6029473)
Update on the shooting outside Nationals Park:
Authorities found two people shot outside the ballpark — a woman who was shot in the back, and a man who was wounded in the leg, officials said. A short while later, two other shooting victims walked into a hospital in Southeast Washington. Police believe they were wounded in the same incident. All of the victims’ wounds were believed to be non-life-threatening.
Saw a report elsewhere that one victim might be a stadium employee. Details still murky, at best.
   46. Howie Menckel Posted: July 17, 2021 at 11:52 PM (#6029475)
wow, just saw "the pitch" - 1-1, bases loaded, 2 out in the top of the 6th, and first base umpire Leslie Nielsen punches out the barely-offering batter to end the inning

I mean, even Angel Hernandez, of all people, must be watching the game and saying, "wow, that's a bad call !"


Kristie Ackert
Locastro has a torn ACL #Yankees

Kristie Ackert
Boone apologized to Alex Cora for the fan throwing the ball at Verdugo. Said it was awful, embarrassing and unacceptable. He said he would have pulled his guys too. #Yankees #RedSox
   47. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: July 18, 2021 at 12:07 AM (#6029478)
Red Sox finally succumb to NY in 2021; a monsoonal rain and an insane ball throwing fan was all it took!

At least we know America is back baby. Covid under control, let the shootings begin!
   48. Lowry Seasoning Salt Posted: July 18, 2021 at 01:06 AM (#6029482)
Seriously, Howie, if you want us to read your Twitter timeline then give us your login credentials. Otherwise, keep your retweets on that site.
   49. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 18, 2021 at 01:37 AM (#6029483)
Yeah, we really need fewer posts here. You’re allowed to skip over posts that don’t meet your personal standards.
   50. Lowry Seasoning Salt Posted: July 18, 2021 at 01:44 AM (#6029484)
There's a difference between posting and copy/pasting at least two dozens comments from another site. Posting, as a general rule, actually means writing.
   51. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 18, 2021 at 01:49 AM (#6029487)
Latest update on the shooting near Nationals Park is a little different than earlier versions:
Police said there were three victims: a woman who was found wounded outside the stadium and two others who showed up at a hospital a short time later and were taken into custody. Police believe the incident was gunfire from at least one car toward another; they recovered one of the vehicles believed involved and are seeking another. All of the victims’ wounds were believed to be non-life-threatening, police said.

Police officials initially tweeted that there were four people they thought were wounded in the incident but later updated the number to three. Police were trying to determine what led to the gunfire but noted that they believe it was unrelated to the game.
Looks like some kind of drive-by shooting. During games there are a lot of police around Nationals Park, providing security, directing traffic, and closing some streets to vehicles. The 1st District Police Station is also only a couple of blocks away. Not a great time or place to start shooting if you want to get away with it.
   52. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 18, 2021 at 01:51 AM (#6029488)
#50, who appointed you the content monitor? These days, breaking news is often conveyed via Twitter.
   53. Lowry Seasoning Salt Posted: July 18, 2021 at 02:09 AM (#6029489)
#50, who appointed you the content monitor? These days, breaking news is often conveyed via Twitter.

I'll shut up for good. You now have even "fewer posts here."

Feel free to read and re-read posts like #26 and #44 over and over and over for all the great breaking news they offer and how they contribute to making this site a distinctive, worthwhile community.
   54. Miserable, Non-Binary Candy is all we deserve CoB Posted: July 18, 2021 at 10:34 AM (#6029494)
how they contribute to making this site a distinctive, worthwhile community.

Come Off World to Discord where we're discussing the hagfish and "swift escapes, spellbinding clots of slime"!
   55. Howie Menckel Posted: July 18, 2021 at 12:01 PM (#6029496)
deGrom has been placed on the IL and will not throw at all until the tightness in his right forearm subsides.

will not provide any evidence, so as not to anger BBTF's new schoolmarm.

apparently we're going back to "trust, but verify."
   56. The Duke Posted: July 18, 2021 at 12:03 PM (#6029498)
And now the Mets have lost Degrom for at least a couple starts. Mets can’t catch a break but luckily you will only need 83 wins to take the division. The Phillies have such great starting pitching - why aren’t they winning more ?
   57. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: July 18, 2021 at 12:30 PM (#6029502)
Starters 4 and 5 and 6 are pretty bad.
The bullpen implodes a couple of times a week. Last night was a prime example: they get 5 shutout innings from Vince Velasquez! As the Sisters of No Mercy would say, “Will wonders never cease?” 3 more no run innings from Neris and Bradley, then Ranger Suarez gives up the tying two runs with the first two batters in the 9th. The game continues today after the deluge in the tenth.
Nola has been inconsistent.
   58. The Duke Posted: July 18, 2021 at 03:19 PM (#6029512)
Mets with an epic fail in first inning. But manage to claw back to 6-4.

Pirates announcer gets two fabulous calls in two days. His Stallings call last night was great and the call on Walkers error today was equally great
   59. Snowboy Posted: July 18, 2021 at 03:42 PM (#6029515)
Don't let one guy's bad night spoil things for the rest of us.
I'm not on twitter, so I appreciate someone letting us know what just happened.
To me, it's all welcome, whether it was just learned/observed by Meatwad or Bob Klapisch et al.
Sure, we could go back to the old days, I have a closet full of Sports Illustrated that proves I used to like weekly updates.
But the world's getting quicker as I get older, and I like keeping up.
   60. Snowboy Posted: July 18, 2021 at 03:55 PM (#6029517)
I'll shut up for good.

You don't have to do that. No one is saying that you have to leave.
You're a smart member and contributor to a good community of genuine baseball fans, and you would be missed, Lowry.
   61. JJ1986 Posted: July 18, 2021 at 04:01 PM (#6029518)
I like Tweets, but I would prefer a little formatting to them.
   62. JJ1986 Posted: July 18, 2021 at 04:55 PM (#6029520)
Mets game was never in doubt.
   63. The Duke Posted: July 18, 2021 at 05:23 PM (#6029521)
Newbies Pederson and Vogt can’t keep Snitker from tanking another game. What should have been another game picked up in standings turns into a game lost in standings after Mets improbable win.
   64. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: July 18, 2021 at 06:47 PM (#6029523)
Dodgers just dropped to 1-9 in extra innings. Awful.
   65. Walt Davis Posted: July 18, 2021 at 07:37 PM (#6029530)
Jays took a DH from Rangers by a combined 15-0. Oof!

Willson Contreras ends the Cubs loss with one of the worst batter-attempts at stealing a strike you're ever gonna see. Soria hangs a breaking ball that Contreras probably would have hit 400 feet if he'd seen it coming but I assume it fooled him. Right down the middle, breaking only as low as mid-thigh. When most battters would be hanging their heads in shame, Willson starts the trot to first. The ump was not persuaded.

   66. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 18, 2021 at 07:44 PM (#6029531)
Gleyber Torres’ solo HR gives the Yankees the lead. He also homered yesterday, so perhaps he’s getting his act together.
   67. The Duke Posted: July 18, 2021 at 08:13 PM (#6029536)
The cardinals apparently have given away another solid talent in John Nogowski who is breathing life into the Pirates. Good bat, good field, left handed, cheap. Perfect fit for the Pirates.
   68. Walt Davis Posted: July 18, 2021 at 08:45 PM (#6029542)
Your criteria for "good bat" are exceptionally thin. Nogowski also hits RH not LH (he does throw LH).
   69. The Duke Posted: July 18, 2021 at 09:07 PM (#6029544)
Have you looked at the cardinals offensive stats ? They set the bar, not me
   70. Howie Menckel Posted: July 18, 2021 at 09:23 PM (#6029546)
Nogowski was 1 for 18 (.056) with a walk and no RBI as a PH for STL in 19 G

with PIT, he is 19 for 42 (.452) with 8 RBI as the Buccos' new starting 1B

major sample size issues, but it's amusing if you have no dog in the hunt
   71. JJ1986 Posted: July 18, 2021 at 09:45 PM (#6029547)
Can he play the outfield at all? The Cardinals don't really have any use for a RHH 1B.
   72. Howie Menckel Posted: July 18, 2021 at 10:16 PM (#6029550)
could Greg Luzinski?

Nogowski is listed at 6-foot-nothing, 245 pounds.

he played a handful of games in LF in the minors, but I'd say no.
The Big Nogowski turns 29 in January. I doubt STL is sweating this one.
   73. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 18, 2021 at 10:58 PM (#6029551)
Yankees beat the Red Sox, 9-1, taking 2 of 3 at home. That’s about the minimum they needed to do to potentially get back in the playoff race, but it’s a start.

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