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The Athletic: How the $445 million Mets crashed and burned

As Tommy Pham, the perpetually intense veteran outfielder, bluntly put it in a recent interview, “We had a terrible f—ing June.”

Often after games or during meals on the road, players discussed how they could turn things around.

After a devastating sweep in Atlanta, Pham, infielder Eduardo Escobar, catcher Francisco Alvarez and star shortstop Francisco Lindor talked about small things that the Mets needed to improve in between bites of food at a Brazilian steakhouse, Fogo de Chão, in Pittsburgh. Pham, 35, has played on seven teams, and organizations know when negotiating with him that he brings an edge, strong work ethic and little tolerance for lackadaisical effort.

For weeks ahead of the dinner, Lindor had held himself accountable after every crushing loss during a prolonged slump of his own, answering every question from every reporter every day. Pham respected Lindor’s accountability as a leader, how he worked hard and never placed blame on others. As The Athletic reported earlier this month, the conversation started with Pham explaining that he wanted New York to roll out more than one batting-practice group because he used the time to work on live reads in the outfield. With Lindor, Pham felt comfortable sharing something that roamed in his mind after observing how often some players in the clubhouse played games like pool.

Pham says he told Lindor, “Out of all the teams I played on, this is the least-hardest working group of position players I’ve ever played with.”

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: September 21, 2023 at 08:52 AM | 13 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Darren Posted: September 21, 2023 at 10:36 AM (#6141940)
For weeks ahead of the dinner, Lindor had held himself accountable after every crushing loss during a prolonged slump of his own, answering every question from every reporter every day.


Members of the media place such a high importance on answering questions from the media, and to a lesser degree, doing so in ways that the media finds acceptable. I see this play out a lot in Boston, even among some of my favorite folks covering the team. It's gross and self-serving.
   2. Tony S Posted: September 21, 2023 at 11:06 AM (#6141942)
Fogo de Chão


They should have flipped the card to red now and then.
   3. DL from MN Posted: September 21, 2023 at 12:30 PM (#6141953)
Members of the media place such a high importance on answering questions from the media, and to a lesser degree, doing so in ways that the media finds acceptable. I see this play out a lot in Boston, even among some of my favorite folks covering the team. It's gross and self-serving.


Reporters think a baseball player's job is to make it easy for them to write a story.
   4. Brian C Posted: September 21, 2023 at 01:01 PM (#6141956)
Reporters think a baseball player's job is to make it easy for them to write a story.

Well, "sports journalism" is something of an oxymoron, in a way - we can all see who wins and loses and what players are playing where. There's no real need for journalists in sports at all, and any actual public interest like stadium subsidies or whatnot can just as easily (and probably better) be reported by real actual journalists.

So if you're Joe Reporter and you know that your only purpose is to provide puff pieces to fulfill demand for "content" - what other purpose could players have for you? You gotta have some empathy for how useless these guys' existence is in the first place.
   5. Walt Davis Posted: September 21, 2023 at 04:12 PM (#6141969)
Well, "sports journalism" is something of an oxymoron, in a way - we can all see who wins and loses and what players are playing where. There's no real need for journalists in sports at all

ChatGPT finds your ideas intriguing and would like to subscribe to its, errr, your newsletter.
   6. Walt Davis Posted: September 21, 2023 at 04:38 PM (#6141975)
I think I look at the Mets and mainly think "is this all $330 M buys you these days?" It's a perfectly fine "looks good on paper" team but it's not a superstar roster. Granted it was pretty super-starry with Scherzer and Verlander but $80 M for 200 innings isn't going to be a very good idea too often. Other than that, the "big" stars are Alonso and Lindor. We've discussed Alonso's possible limitations and value elsewhere. Lindor is really, really good but it's clear he's not ARod -- he's also not all that expensive in today's game.

Oddly there are a lot of "this looke like a pretty good deal" contracts here. McNeil, Canha, Marte, Nimmo are solid, unexciting players signed to solid, unexciting contracts. Senga is a huge bargain. The bullpen is a bullpen but it's not like they're carrying a 5/$90 closer. Verlander, Scherzer and Lindor are the only contracts you wouldn't see on, say, the Brewers. Fine, that's half the difference in payrolls but where was the other $100 M going?

Still you'd think maybe somebody would look position by position and ask "anybody noticed we are way worse than Atlanta at almost every spot?"
   7. NaOH Posted: September 21, 2023 at 05:03 PM (#6141978)
The bullpen is a bullpen but it's not like they're carrying a 5/$90 closer.

They went with the 5/$102M closer.
   8. TJ Posted: September 21, 2023 at 06:06 PM (#6141987)
Pham says he told Lindor, “Out of all the teams I played on, this is the least-hardest working group of position players I’ve ever played with.”

If true, then this is a pretty damning statement regardless of how talented the Mets thought they were. I had a coach tell me, “You are always trying- if you’re not trying to get better, then you are trying to get worse.” That has stayed with me ever since. Maybe someone should tell the Mets position players that.
   9. Jay Seaver Posted: September 21, 2023 at 07:45 PM (#6141993)
Reporters think a baseball player's job is to make it easy for them to write a story.


I occasionally think that this is 60% or so of the push to shorten games - reporters hate getting pushed up against deadlines, so they play game times up as a problem until all their readers think everybody thinks it's a big deal. That's why they've been almost in lockstep supporting the zombie runner, even though I know very few fans who like the idea.

(Not saying that pace of play hasn't been an issue, but the people who shape public perception of what the biggest issues with the game are had personal incentives to elevate that one)

Well, "sports journalism" is something of an oxymoron, in a way - we can all see who wins and loses and what players are playing where. There's no real need for journalists in sports at all


I remember when we were first seeing talk and even examples of game stories being automated, what, fifteen years ago - well before anyone was throwing around the terms "large language model" or "generative AI" - there was more pushback about how, yeah, you can have a computer program churn out wire stories from GameDay data, but having people on the beat meant they were making contacts and learning about the operations of the various sports they were covering, and honing their ability to find new and entertaining ways to write about the same thing. Do away with beat reporters, and you wouldn't have the next crop of columnists and people who could do behind-the-scenes stories.

Of course, the media hasn't needed so large a next generation as the number of outlets shrank, but it's still an issue.
   10. McCoy Posted: September 21, 2023 at 07:55 PM (#6141995)
Re 8. Or maybe Pham has aged himself out and he can't relate to these guys
   11. BDC Posted: September 21, 2023 at 07:59 PM (#6141996)
reporters hate getting pushed up against deadlines

This a totally open question; I'm not taking exception: are sports-reporting deadlines much of a thing anymore?

The principal "beat" writers for the teams nowadays seem to be the MLB.com reporters who post updates continuously during the game, and afterwards, and just about any time, day or night, it seems. If I could get through paywalls to local DFW papers, I would know better what goes on there; but I think that the deadline to make a specific print edition is a much smaller concern than it once was. One hears a lot about the NY Times and LA Times abandoning game-story coverage, etc.
   12. Jay Seaver Posted: September 21, 2023 at 09:03 PM (#6142000)
are sports-reporting deadlines much of a thing anymore?


Probably not, no, although I suspect that the issue isn't entirely gone and the workflow is different - I imagine an open document that's being revised throughout the game and maybe doesn't need a whole lot of work after the game ends and folks have faced the scrum - but I imagine that the time between when a west-coast game ends at 1am EDT and when the Boston Globe's daily digest lands in my email a 5am EDT doesn't give reporters four full hours to revise.

So it's likely just everybody involved not liking unpaid overtime.
   13. Up2Drew Posted: September 22, 2023 at 08:05 AM (#6142012)
I also believe this drove the initial media defense and pushback for Pete Rose when the gambling scandal broke. Simply put, he was good copy and an easy quote.

I distinctly remember Marty Brennaman passionately supporting Rose during a radio interview when the details started coming out, saying "Oh sure, Pete likes his fun, he goes to the horse track. But he would NEVER bet on the game."

And this was from a source that was around Rose for years, knew what he was like.

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