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Friday, November 02, 2007

The Baseball Analysts: Boston’s Future Is as Bright as Its Recent Past - Part One

A really nice set of Sox-centric articles by Red Sox fanboy Rich Lederer (Boston’s Future Is as Bright as Its Recent Past - Part Two) and Patrick Sullivan (The Longterm Health of the Red Sox - Part Three).

Yes, I’m joking about the fanboy part.

jimfurtado Posted: November 02, 2007 at 10:16 PM | 17 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. bibigon Posted: November 02, 2007 at 10:54 PM (#2604064)
I tend to agree with the idea that the Red Sox are in good shape - my concern as a Red Sox fan going forward, is that I think the Yankees might actually be in better shape. Their baseball ops group has shown nothing but competence if the split between the Cashman moves and the Steinbrenner moves is to be believed, and they do ultimately, have more money (with that advantage only to increase in '09).
   2. PepTech Posted: November 02, 2007 at 11:06 PM (#2604071)
I tend to agree with the idea that the Red Sox are in good shape - my concern as a Red Sox fan going forward, is that I think the Yankees might actually be in better shape.

Oh, wah.

Don't mind the rest of us, we'll just be over here eating cake.
   3. rr Posted: November 02, 2007 at 11:16 PM (#2604077)
(with that advantage only to increase in '09).


We will hear this quite a bit from Mr. Lucchino in the next 18 months and beyond.
   4. Fred C. Dobbs Posted: November 02, 2007 at 11:24 PM (#2604083)
Is it so bright...that they have to wear shades?
   5. bibigon Posted: November 02, 2007 at 11:25 PM (#2604084)
Don't mind the rest of us, we'll just be over here eating cake.


Thank you! I was really worried this thread would degenerate into fans of others teams complaining.
   6. ekogan Posted: November 02, 2007 at 11:48 PM (#2604097)
Everybody's going gaga over Red Sox just because this is the year those damn Yankees didn't win the division.
But I'm not sure that the Red Sox can replicate this success - I mean they only have so many souls to trade to the devil.
   7. Phil Coorey. Posted: November 03, 2007 at 12:12 AM (#2604108)
But I'm not sure that the Red Sox can replicate this success - I mean they only have so many souls to trade to the devil.


In the quiet words of the Virgin Mary... come again?
   8. villageidiom Posted: November 03, 2007 at 02:16 AM (#2604158)
Boston will undoubtedly pass on its option to bring back Julian Tavarez for $3.85M.
Surprise!
   9. winnipegwhip Posted: November 03, 2007 at 02:54 AM (#2604184)
In the quiet words of the Virgin Mary... come again?


Well I can't very well make ARod play for us if he doesn't want to. Can I?
   10. pkb33 Posted: November 03, 2007 at 03:31 AM (#2604210)
Their baseball ops group has shown nothing but competence if the split between the Cashman moves and the Steinbrenner moves is to be believed, and they do ultimately, have more money (with that advantage only to increase in '09).

However, there's absolutely zero objective reason to believe that split is a real one. We'll see, I suppose.
   11. HowardMegdal Posted: November 03, 2007 at 04:14 AM (#2604234)
Their baseball ops group has shown nothing but competence if the split between the Cashman moves and the Steinbrenner moves is to be believed, and they do ultimately, have more money (with that advantage only to increase in '09).

But for the presence of a younger, just-as-interfering Steinbrenner, I might agree.
   12. Jay Z Posted: November 03, 2007 at 05:58 AM (#2604292)
Curse lives!
   13. zoobird Posted: November 03, 2007 at 11:29 AM (#2604326)
Aren't there TWO younger, interfering Steinbrenners now? I have to admit, I always thought he just had one son with name beginning with 'H', but sometime in the past few months they seem to have cloned him.
   14. Swedish Chef Posted: November 03, 2007 at 12:00 PM (#2604329)
Aren't there TWO younger, interfering Steinbrenners now?

Jennifer and Jessica ought to get in on the act too.
   15. Darren Posted: November 03, 2007 at 12:56 PM (#2604336)
You know, just a year ago there were people talking about how the Red Sox were so messed up that they'd need a couple years to rebuild. Now they're going to dominate for years to come. I think people tend to overreact to the latest year of action. The Red Sox are in good shape but not much better than they've been over the past 5 years or so.
   16. Dave Cyprian Posted: November 03, 2007 at 03:09 PM (#2604379)
Darren, I agree with you in general that people overreact but there are some legitimate reasons people have yoyo-ed on the Sox. One important difference is that Beckett really made a lasting statement this year. Also, maybe you've known about them, but one year ago the baseball public knew nothing about Pedroia, Ellsbury or Buchholz (Lester is another wrinkle). The fact that all four have done something special this year has been well documented by the press. So while you saw the Sox as in fine shape at the end of last year, many prognosticators did not.
   17. Darren Posted: November 03, 2007 at 03:17 PM (#2604389)
One important difference is that Beckett really made a lasting statement this year.


Beckett had a great year and changed what he projects to be, no doubt. But was his statement in 07 strong than his statement in 06?

Also, maybe you've known about them, but one year ago the baseball public knew nothing about Pedroia, Ellsbury or Buchholz (Lester is another wrinkle).


I agree that public perception of the Sox future has gotten a big boost. But for guys like Rich and readers of this site, I don't think that applies as much.

So while you saw the Sox as in fine shape at the end of last year, many prognosticators did not.


Stop, you're making me blush. But overall, maybe I understated things a bit. Their future is probably a bit brighter than expected for some of the reasons that you mention as well as others. I just don't agree with the dynasty in waiting talk. They're well-positioned to battle the Yanks and come out on top but that's about it.

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