Baseball for the Thinking Fan

Login | Register | Feedback

btf_logo
You are here > Home > Baseball Newsstand > Baseball Primer Newsblog > Discussion
Baseball Primer Newsblog
— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand

Saturday, April 25, 2020

The case for Chase Utley as the most important Phillie from 2007-11

There’s no right answer. But there is a best answer. That’s how I feel when asked to compare Howard, Rollins and Utley. Put any one of that trio on a different team and the golden era of Phillies baseball doesn’t happen. It’s as simple as that. Yet, there is a first among equals in that holy trinity of the infield and it’s Utley.

The passage of time can leave a haze, especially when it comes to recalling the value of athletes. It’s natural to remember only the extremes, a player at his apex or his nadir.
A decade removed from their collective primes, it’s tempting to think that Rollins and Howard played to an MVP level every season because they each have one of those trophies on their respective mantles. But that just wasn’t the case. Utley, on the other hand, did sustain a level of excellence over an extended period of time.

There’s something to be said that baseball stats can be twisted any way one wants in the interest of making an argument. But there is one statistical piece of information that clearly demonstrates Utley’s superior value relative to Rollins and Howard.

Here’s a look at each player’s combined WAR (per Baseball-Reference) from the 2007-11 seasons, the entirety of the Phils’ NL East dominance:

Utley: 34.6
Rollins: 18.1
Howard: 10.9

In realistic terms, there isn’t really any other answer, unless we try to count Pat Gillick as a Philly, is there?

 

QLE Posted: April 25, 2020 at 01:16 AM | 10 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: chase utley, phillies

Reader Comments and Retorts

Go to end of page

Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.

   1. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: April 25, 2020 at 11:54 AM (#5944187)
I'll take running out of sports stories for $200, Alex.
   2. Jesse Barfield's Right Arm Posted: April 25, 2020 at 11:58 AM (#5944188)
Or Ed Wade, since he oversaw the drafts that got Utley, Howard, and Hamels, as well as took Shane Victorino* in the Rule 5 draft.

The flyin' Hawaiian had 20 BAR, putting him in third behind Utley and Hamels (22.2).

   3. Baldrick Posted: April 25, 2020 at 12:38 PM (#5944203)
There’s no right answer.

There actually is, though.
   4. Mayor Blomberg Posted: April 25, 2020 at 01:48 PM (#5944227)
Cole Hamels's 22.2 might could be in the discussion
   5. never forget: the pee tape is 57i66135 Posted: April 25, 2020 at 02:03 PM (#5944236)
Or Ed Wade, since he oversaw the drafts that got Utley, Howard, and Hamels, as well as took Shane Victorino* in the Rule 5 draft.

The flyin' Hawaiian had 20 BAR, putting him in third behind Utley and Hamels (22.2).

and don't forget that ed wade is also the GM who set the table for this current run of astros success.
   6. Starring RMc as Bradley Scotchman Posted: April 25, 2020 at 02:48 PM (#5944252)
The flyin' Hawaiian had 20 BAR

It's amazing Victorino could even stand up straight, let alone play baseball.
   7. John DiFool2 Posted: April 25, 2020 at 03:34 PM (#5944275)
Or shoot a machine gun.
   8. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: April 26, 2020 at 12:50 AM (#5944452)
I'm confused, is there a case for anyone else?
   9. bobm Posted: April 26, 2020 at 05:06 PM (#5944670)
I'm confused, is there a case for anyone else?

A decade removed from their collective primes, it’s tempting to think that Rollins and Howard played to an MVP level every season because they each have one of those trophies on their respective mantles. But that just wasn’t the case.


Just for fun:

from BB-REF


 Player    Year MVP (rank, share) WAR
 Howard 2007 NL          (5, 25%) 2.9
  Utley 2007 NL          (8, 20%) 7.8
Rollins 2007 NL          (1, 79%) 6.1

 Howard 2008 NL          (2, 69%) 1.8
  Utley 2008 NL          (14, 7%) 9.0
Rollins 2008 NL                   5.5

 Howard 2009 NL          (3, 48%) 3.8
  Utley 2009 NL          (8, 19%) 8.2
Rollins 2009 NL                   1.8

 Howard 2010 NL         (10, 11%) 1.2
  Utley 2010 NL                   5.8
Rollins 2010 NL                   2.0

 Howard 2011 NL          (10, 9%) 1.2
  Utley 2011 NL                   3.8
Rollins 2011 NL                   2.7


   10. Walt Davis Posted: April 26, 2020 at 06:01 PM (#5944700)
Phanatic -- 13,674 LARM

You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.

 

 

<< Back to main

News

All News | Prime News

Old-School Newsstand


BBTF Partner

Dynasty League Baseball

Support BBTF

donate

Thanks to
Adam M
for his generous support.

Bookmarks

You must be logged in to view your Bookmarks.

Hot Topics

NewsblogEmpty Stadium Sports Will Be Really Weird
(7405 - 12:00pm, Jul 16)
Last: Tony S

NewsblogThe Texas Rangers’ team name must go
(10 - 11:55am, Jul 16)
Last: winnipegwhip

NewsblogIke at the Bat: Eisenhower's rumored baseball past
(11 - 11:54am, Jul 16)
Last: Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc

NewsblogNJ.com: Mets sale: Sheldon Adelson complicates Steve Cohen, Alex Rodriguez-Jennifer Lopez, Josh Harris-David Blitzer bids
(2 - 11:25am, Jul 16)
Last: JJ1986

NewsblogHow long will Trout reign as MLB's best player?
(11 - 11:24am, Jul 16)
Last: Ziggy: social distancing since 1980

NewsblogWashington Post opinion editor says Texas Rangers should drop their name because legendary lawmen they're named after are a 'cruel, racist force
(43 - 11:22am, Jul 16)
Last: Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome

NewsblogPrimer Dugout (and link of the day) 7-16-2020
(1 - 10:28am, Jul 16)
Last: Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee)

NewsblogYasiel Puig signs with Atlanta Braves
(29 - 10:14am, Jul 16)
Last: Random Transaction Generator

NewsblogMLB.TV costs $59.99 for the 60-game season
(13 - 9:30am, Jul 16)
Last: Eddie Gaedel

NewsblogPrimer Dugout (and link of the day) 7-15-2020
(4 - 7:58am, Jul 16)
Last: Steve Parris, Je t'aime

NewsblogOT – NBA Revival Thread 2020
(569 - 4:37am, Jul 16)
Last: never forget: the pee tape is 57i66135

NewsblogPicking both 2020 MLB All-Star rosters -- even though there's no game
(9 - 4:14am, Jul 16)
Last: Walt Davis

NewsblogMcCarver opts out of Cardinals telecasts this season
(4 - 2:17am, Jul 16)
Last: John Northey

NewsblogThe Four Biggest Tactical Innovations We Could See This MLB Season
(3 - 9:36pm, Jul 15)
Last: Mayor Blomberg

NewsblogReport: Blue Jays Exploring Possibility of Home Games in Buffalo
(28 - 9:02pm, Jul 15)
Last: Jose Canusee

-->

Page rendered in 0.2657 seconds
46 querie(s) executed