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Sunday, August 25, 2019

The Future Star Who Got Away From Each MLB Team

Athletics: Max Muncy (released), 9.9 WAR
Also: Joey Wendle (traded for Jonah Heim)


Muncy in two seasons as an Athletic: .195/.290/.321, 5 home runs, -0.2 WAR
Muncy in two seasons as a Dodger: .262/.383/.561, 68 home runs, 9.9 WAR

Muncy as a Dodger is a top-10 hitter in the sport; he displays power, patience at the plate, and capable multipositional flexibility for the team most suited to make use of that fluidity. Of course, every team could use a 30-homer hitter with elite on-base skills, but perhaps only the Dodgers could have coaxed such improvement out of Muncy, who has hit at every level since joining the club in 2017.

 

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 25, 2019 at 01:14 PM | 30 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: anthony rizzo, future star, j.d. martinez, jose quintana, max muncy

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   1. "RMc", the superbatsman Posted: August 26, 2019 at 10:40 AM (#5874428)
Tigers: Everybody (released), infinity WAR
Also: Everybody Else (traded for some magic beans)

Everybody as a Tiger: sucked like Monica in the Oval Office, -999 WAR
Everybody for another team: made Trout look like Tebow, 999 WAR
   2. JJ1986 Posted: August 26, 2019 at 11:28 AM (#5874461)
I assume the Met is Justin Turner.
   3. Davo Posted: August 26, 2019 at 11:33 AM (#5874464)
It’s kinda crazy how the Dodgers have the game’s highest payroll, and yet still built their team by picking up 3 everyday position players (Turner, Muncy, Taylor) off the scrap heap.
   4. Rally Posted: August 26, 2019 at 12:02 PM (#5874473)
They don't have the highest payroll anymore, by bbref has them in 5th place. 7th place last year. 2016 was the last year they had the game's highest payroll.

For a while the Dodgers had a bunch of albatross contracts on the books but didn't care, just spent more money at the same positions to bring in better players. This year's team has no bad contracts. Well, Russell Martin isn't worth 20 million but the Blue Jays are paying most of it. Rich Hill hasn't pitched enough to be worth 18 million but has been very good when he is able to pitch.

They peaked at 265 million in 2015. Good team, lot of great players but also a lot of money paid to players who didn't contribute much.
   5. Jeremy Renner App is Dead and I killed it Posted: August 26, 2019 at 12:27 PM (#5874497)
Did Gennett really get away from the Crew? The team dumped him. Absolutely he blew up in Cincinnati which is great. But the Brewers reasoning seemed solid at the time. Dude could only play second, no real speed, not great against lefties, ok bat but not special. Not making excuses for the Brewers. But there was nothing telling them that Gennett would lift his offense to an All Star level.
   6. The Duke Posted: August 26, 2019 at 12:30 PM (#5874499)
I’d love to see what each team has done (net WAR) on its entire portfolio in the last ten years. I saw a cardinal writer do a detailed analysis of Mo’s trades since he became GM and it had some surprising results.
   7. Davo Posted: August 26, 2019 at 01:04 PM (#5874513)
One thing that makes it kind of tricky is that like, you know, in 2019 this happened

C Tom Murphy: .287/.318/.601, 18 homers
1B Howie Kendrick: .330/.382.563, 14 homers
2B Tommy LaStella: .300/.353/.495, 16 homers
3B Gio Urshela: .332/.372/.560, 18 homers
SS Eric Sogard: .303/.368/.490, 13 homers
LF Mark Canha: .275/.390/.546, 22 homers
CF Danny Santana: .296/.323/.558, 22 homers
RF Mike Tauchman: .294/.372/.535, 12 homers
DH Hunter Pence (.297/.358/.552, 18 homers)

Bench: Mitch Garver (.264/.343/.591, 23 homers), Donovan Solano (.349/.380/.486), Brian Goodwin (.284/.346/.502, 13 homers), David Freese (.300/.399/.579, 9 homers), Mike Yastrzemski (.270/.332/.537, 17 homers)
   8. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 26, 2019 at 02:13 PM (#5874531)
While I didn't expect anything like this out of Mike Tauchman, I've been a Tom Murphy fan for a long time. I'm not at all surprised at the kind of season he's had. But the Rox didn't like his defense.
   9. Rally Posted: August 26, 2019 at 02:43 PM (#5874537)
But there was nothing telling them that Gennett would lift his offense to an All Star level.


You could make a similar case for every player on this list. Every one played better than the original team expected, and probably better than anyone had reason to expect.
   10. Jeremy Renner App is Dead and I killed it Posted: August 26, 2019 at 02:56 PM (#5874541)
9--There are more than a few who barely passed through some organizations. I don't understand why the Dodgers get branded for Alvarez when he didn't even bat while in the Dodger system. A lot of this list doesn't make much sense to me. Not even quality trolling
   11. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Fred Posted: August 26, 2019 at 03:18 PM (#5874546)
I don't think it's intended as trolling. Here's the criteria TFA is using (from ... TFA)

every team, the Yankees included, has had the experience of watching a stagnated player bloom elsewhere. In that vein, we’re taking a look at the one active player that got away from each MLB team, from unheralded prospects who made strides with a new team to back-end major leaguers who learned a new swing or pitch after bouncing around the bottom of the league’s transactions column.


Players who were already stars with the original team don’t count, even if they improved elsewhere (see: Christian Yelich leaving the Marlins), nor do players who were traded for stars before succeeding, as they were sacrificed for the team’s greater good (see: Gleyber Torres leaving the Cubs in the Aroldis Chapman trade).
   12. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 26, 2019 at 03:25 PM (#5874548)
. . . Gleyber Torres leaving the Cubs in the Aroldis Chapman trade brief hiatus.
Fixed.
   13. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: August 26, 2019 at 03:39 PM (#5874552)
It’s kinda crazy how the Dodgers have the game’s highest payroll


It's kind of crazy how reputation carries on for years after this is true.
   14. Zonk Hasn't Learned his Aspirational Lesson Posted: August 26, 2019 at 03:57 PM (#5874555)
I'm not sure what I find more amusing...

That the Cubs could REALLY use a 2B and their entry has three of them (OK, maybe I'm cheating a bit on Marwin)... or that two of the guys further down the list were Cubs acquisitions (Rizzo and Arrieta).

Donaldson is the guy really missing from the list...
   15. Ziggy is done with Dominican discotheques Posted: August 26, 2019 at 04:32 PM (#5874565)
Don't think I'd ever heard of Tom Murphy before today.
   16. Bug Selig Posted: August 26, 2019 at 04:33 PM (#5874566)
The funny thing about the Eugenio Suarez/Alfredo Simon trade is that it almost doesn't matter that Suarez turned into (kind of) a star. Trading me for Alfredo Simon would be questionable.
   17. Davo Posted: August 26, 2019 at 05:23 PM (#5874588)
13- Just telll me I made a mistake, man, no need to be a dick about it.
   18. Walt Davis Posted: August 26, 2019 at 05:48 PM (#5874596)
Not only do the Dodgers have a payroll barely above the Rays, they've got over $60 M coming off the books. (b-r reminds me they are still paying Homer Bailey this year.)
   19. Moeball Posted: August 26, 2019 at 08:02 PM (#5874622)
Of course the Padres are at the top of the list for letting the most value get away with not one but two excellent players in Kluber and Rizzo. They have historically been quite inept as an organization when it comes to identifying and developing talent. But I do have to say - I was at many of Rizzo's games his rookie season and he just looked clueless and scared at the plate. It also appeared that he was completely psyched out by Petco Park. A first baseman hitting .141 with only one HR in 49 games is astoundingly bad. I mean, there are pitchers who hit better than this. In fact, you know how many first baseman in ML history have ever had at least 150 plate appearances in a season with only 1 HR and a BA under .150? ONE. Rizzo is the only one in history to do this. I looked it up on B-R. So had the Padres kept him, I don't know if he would have ever developed into the confident, successful hitter we see today. I think he had to escape that environment to develop as a hitter. And the Padres knew it. They had to get something for him because he was never going to produce as a Padre.
   20. Nasty Nate Posted: August 26, 2019 at 08:21 PM (#5874624)
That type of thinking sounds like it would lead to being ... quite inept as an organization when it comes to identifying and developing talent.
   21. asinwreck Posted: August 26, 2019 at 08:50 PM (#5874626)
As a White Sox fan, I have not read the article, but assume the team's candidate here is Chris Devenski. Do not inform me otherwise.
   22. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: August 26, 2019 at 09:11 PM (#5874629)
I see the Red Sox continue to make these lists with the all too common position player for pitcher move that has failed them so miserably in the past(see Jeff Bagwell)
   23. flournoy Posted: August 26, 2019 at 10:42 PM (#5874646)
The author intimates as much, but Mike Minor is a pretty weak inclusion for the Braves. He was okay, then had a good year, then a bad one marred by injuries. Then the next year he got hurt in Spring Training, spent the entire year on the DL, and with no recovery in sight, the Braves non-tendered him at the end of the year. He didn't return to the majors for a couple years.

Any team would be glad to have him now, but he wasn't going to stay with the Braves through all of that anyway.

I don't know who I would have included instead of Minor, though, so maybe he's the best choice. The Braves have done pretty well getting value for the players they've lost recently.
   24. Zonk Hasn't Learned his Aspirational Lesson Posted: August 26, 2019 at 11:08 PM (#5874652)
Well, the Rizzo trades - both of them! - were both a matter of Jed Hoyer being a real Rizzo-phile (drafted him in Boston, Jed gets the SD GM job and gets Rizzo in the what’s his name trade... Jed moves to Chicago to work for his buddy Theo, trades for Rizzo again). Mostly, I find it amazing that such devotion to a prospect across multiple orga paid off. In any case, Rizzo’s putrid first year was as a 21 yo....
   25. Davo Posted: August 27, 2019 at 12:01 AM (#5874661)
23- Every team loses relievers, but maybe Chaz Roe for the Braves? The Rays got him for cash considerations in 2017, and he’s given them 102 innings, 120 Ks, 3.42 ERA. That would have helped! Of similar quality, they let Cory Gearrin go too.

Also, they were another team that gave up on Jose Martinez.
   26. JJ1986 Posted: August 27, 2019 at 12:28 AM (#5874664)
I had completely forgotten that Jose Quintana was originally a Met until I saw him listed in this article (for another team).
   27. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: August 27, 2019 at 12:50 AM (#5874666)
As a White Sox fan, I have not read the article, but assume the team's candidate here is Chris Devenski. Do not inform me otherwise.

As an A's fan, I'll inform you it's not Marcus Semien, which surprised me.
   28. GregD Posted: August 27, 2019 at 12:58 AM (#5874667)
That’s Mr 7 RBI Marcus Semien (and 5.5 WAR and counting g for 2019)
   29. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 27, 2019 at 01:14 AM (#5874669)
Wrong thread.
   30. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: August 27, 2019 at 06:10 AM (#5874677)
Not only do the Dodgers have a payroll barely above the Rays, they've got over $60 M coming off the books. (b-r reminds me they are still paying Homer Bailey this year.)


Things like this make me wonder if maybe they were keeping money in reserve in hopes that Trout would become a free agent.

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