They each had 5 30-30 seasons.

Soriano did it 4 times, Howard Johnson 3 times. Nobody else did it more than twice.

Old hat. We all know about the Bonds & Griffey combos, and the others on that list.

What about the worst father/son combos? Any with negative WAR?

The Bacisk's each had a negative WAR.

Bobby and Robbie Wine both had negative WAR too.

Two of the three people named Jeter who have played in the majors were father and son and both had negative WAR.

So did Jim Adduci and Jim Adduci, Jr. and Sal and Drew Butera.

How about the list of grandfather-grandson WAR leaders? Perusing that group for big names, longish careers and/or where each party contributed something to the total:

Gus Bell (15.8) and David Bell (15.2)
Ray Boone (25.8) and Bret Boone (22.8)
Sam Dente (-3.3) and Rick Porcello (20.2)
Dick Schofield (8.5) and Jayson Werth (29.2)
Lee May (27.3) and Jacob May (-0.6)
Carl Yastrzemski (96.5) and Mike Yastrzemski (7.7)

Jim Sadowski went -0.3 and his three uncles combined for -0.4. I think three uncles should about equal a father.

Carl Yastrzemski (96.5) and Mike Yastrzemski (7.7)

Automatic elimination from list as this is a MLB.com discussion and there is a lockout.

Wow, not even an honorable mention for Yogi and Dale Berra? I know Dale was only a passable major leaguer, but Yogi the three time MVP and 10 time WS winner makes up for an awful lot.

Automatic elimination from list as this is a MLB.com discussion and there is a lockout.

Right, right. What was I thinking? I should have used some code to discreetly anonymize the MLBer like they did for video games when a player hadn't permitted his name for use. "Mikey Polish"

Wow, not even an honorable mention for Yogi and Dale Berra? I know Dale was only a passable major leaguer, but Yogi the three time MVP and 10 time WS winner makes up for an awful lot.

Dale and Yogi combined for around 65 WAR but only 6.6 from Dale. I feel like the writer had a threshold of each player contributing 10+ WAR to the partnership . . .

Sal and Drew Butera

And each Butera has a ring.

I have seen both Yastrzemskies homer in person at Fenway Park.

Automatic elimination from list as this is a MLB.com discussion and there is a lockout.

Many current MLB players are mentioned in the article. Mike Trout (no relation to the other Trouts), Bo Bichette, Cavan Biggio, Vladimir Guerrero Jr...the list goes on. The horror!

Just legitimate children, or do bastards count? Asking for Steve Garvey.

Mike Trout (no relation to the other Trouts), Bo Bichette, Cavan Biggio, Vladimir Guerrero Jr

You mean Michael Fish, Moe Michette, Caveman Smallio and Bad Terrerro Jr?

You joke, but the Angels actually drafted a Michael Fish a few years ago. Probably thought it was worth a shot after Salmon and Trout.

How about the list of grandfather-grandson WAR leaders?

Sam Hairston (2.9) and Scott Hairston (6.5)

What was Helen Callaghan's WAR in the AAGPBL? Combined with Casey Candaele, it has to be the highest mother-son total.

Never knew that about Candaele, very cool. BB-Ref should upload AAGPL data, and Candaele's page should say "Son of Helen Callaghan."

20. Traderdave Posted: December 16, 2021 at 05:10 PM (#6057629)
Never knew that about Candaele, very cool. BB-Ref should upload AAGPL data, and Candaele's page should say "Son of Helen Callaghan."

Probably a major undertaking to compile those stats, but I fully support adding Son of Helen Callaghan to Candeale's page!

Dwight Smith had 2.6 WAR in just under 2000 PA, with 2.3 of those WAR coming in his rookie year (2nd in RoY to teammate Jerome Walton). DSjr has -0.9 WAR in just under 600 PA, was terrible at AAA this year and found himself in Mexico where he tore it up. (probably not really if I bothered to look at the league.)

Walton and Smith are so paired in Cubs' lore we might as well think of them as brothers. Pretty similar careers as Jerome only made it to 3.7 WAR in 1800 PA with two more solid bench seasons and plenty of not good in the rest of his time.

I kinda like the Schofields in that they were practically the same player. Sr was really before my time but both were lousy-hitting SSs ... in fact they both have a career 73 OPS+. Jr held down a starting slot longer than dad but dad played bits of 19 seasons while Jr only lasted 14. Jr was apparently the better fielder, ended up at 19 WAR; dad made it to 9 WAR. Jayson Werth was notably different than his gene pool.

And also the last Richard in MLB to go by Dick.

Well, if we include Cuban & Negro league, the Tiant's have to be way ahead of the Stottlemyre's.

Wow. Just noticed that Bo Bichette produced more WAR last season than his father did in his entire career.

Jayson Werth was notably different than his gene pool.

Also in that he is a werewolf.

I still have my baseball glove from when I was 13. It's got two names on it. 1) Mine, from when my mom wrote it there before I took it to camp and 2) Casey Candaele's autograph, which I got at a Mets game in about 1990. I thought this was kind of a big deal, since he had been a Topps All-Star Rookie.

Your glove doesn't have a player's signature in it? I had two Billy Williams Rawlings ... then a Rawlings softball glove but I don't think that one had any signature. I briefly had a Sears Ted Williams but that got stolen by neighborhood bullies on the first day ... maybe my mom should have written my name in it. (Actually they must have been bullies from another neighborhood so not like I saw them again or was eternally taunted seeing some other kid with my glove.) It all worked out because one of my brother's friends gave me his old Billy Williams which was already nicely broken in and older but probably a nicer one than was stolen.

I fully support adding Son of Helen Callaghan to Candeale's page!

Seconded.

Don't forget the only great-grandfather/great-grandson combo in MLB history.

Walt — you are very right, and I miscounted. The glove has three names — mine, Casey Candaele, and Dwight Gooden.

RE:30

From the article I linked above:

The rarest combo is great grandfather (Jim Bluejacket) and great grandson (Bill Wilkinson), they were the first instance of this baseball family tree in baseball history. The only other set was Garland Buckeye, who had two great grandsons that played ball, Drew & Stu Pomeranz.

That great-grandfather's surname really dwarfs the WAR of his descendant's.

That great-grandfather's surname really dwarfs the WAR of his descendant's.

I'm really looking forward to seeing how Steve Clipper and John Crew's great-grandkids do in the big leagues.

I had two Billy Williams Rawlings

I know that every catcher's mitt I had from age 12 till my involuntary retirement in 1998 was a Mike Piazza model, as I made a point of it.

I remember having a Cal Ripken infielder's glove, but he played for so long I couldn't tell you if I had it in tee ball or high school.

My first glove in the early 80s was a Richie Zisk model.

He was a full-time DH at the time, so it was not quite the same as rocking an Ozzie Smith glove out there . . .

My first glove, bought in about 1984, had Rickey Henderson's signature. It took three years to outgrow it, and the replacement had Reggie Jackson's signature. The guy who "signed" my first glove played another 19 years after I got it, and the guy from the second one had started 20 years before I got that one.

I also got a free one at baseball glove night at Comiskey, but that fell apart the first time I played catch with it. That one had "Flex Action" where there would have been a fake signature.

my first bat was a Cleon Jones and my second and last bat was a Chris Speier - top half was white and bottom half was black (or was it vice versa?). it was cool, either way.

blanking on signature on my first glove, where I made the worst "fold" evah. it's a wonder I could catch the ball, there was so little room for it. but I got used to it right away.