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Thursday, December 16, 2021

The greatest father-son duos in MLB history

1. Bobby Bonds (57.9) and Barry Bonds (162.7)

No player in MLB history has racked up more WAR as a position player than the younger Bonds, a seven-time MVP Award winner who owns the single-season and career home run records and pretty much rewrote baseball in the early 2000s. Only allegations of performance-enhancing drug use have kept him waiting for Cooperstown’s call. And while Barry overshadows his father, Bobby shouldn’t be underrated. The two Bondses are the only two players in history to combine for at least 300 career home runs with at least 400 steals, as well as the only two to go 20-20 in 10 different seasons.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 16, 2021 at 09:23 AM | 38 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Rally Posted: December 16, 2021 at 11:33 AM (#6057570)
They each had 5 30-30 seasons.

Soriano did it 4 times, Howard Johnson 3 times. Nobody else did it more than twice.
   2. Traderdave Posted: December 16, 2021 at 12:47 PM (#6057580)
Old hat. We all know about the Bonds & Griffey combos, and the others on that list.

What about the worst father/son combos? Any with negative WAR?
   3. JJ1986 Posted: December 16, 2021 at 01:26 PM (#6057584)
The Bacisk's each had a negative WAR.
   4. Itchy Row Posted: December 16, 2021 at 01:31 PM (#6057585)
Bobby and Robbie Wine both had negative WAR too.

Two of the three people named Jeter who have played in the majors were father and son and both had negative WAR.
   5. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 16, 2021 at 01:37 PM (#6057586)
So did Jim Adduci and Jim Adduci, Jr. and Sal and Drew Butera.
   6. Harmon "Thread Killer" Microbrew Posted: December 16, 2021 at 01:43 PM (#6057588)
How about the list of grandfather-grandson WAR leaders? Perusing that group for big names, longish careers and/or where each party contributed something to the total:

Gus Bell (15.8) and David Bell (15.2)
Ray Boone (25.8) and Bret Boone (22.8)
Sam Dente (-3.3) and Rick Porcello (20.2)
Dick Schofield (8.5) and Jayson Werth (29.2)
Lee May (27.3) and Jacob May (-0.6)
Carl Yastrzemski (96.5) and Mike Yastrzemski (7.7)
   7. sanny manguillen Posted: December 16, 2021 at 01:52 PM (#6057589)
Jim Sadowski went -0.3 and his three uncles combined for -0.4. I think three uncles should about equal a father.
   8. winnipegwhip Posted: December 16, 2021 at 02:15 PM (#6057594)
Carl Yastrzemski (96.5) and Mike Yastrzemski (7.7)


Automatic elimination from list as this is a MLB.com discussion and there is a lockout.
   9. alilisd Posted: December 16, 2021 at 02:21 PM (#6057595)
Wow, not even an honorable mention for Yogi and Dale Berra? I know Dale was only a passable major leaguer, but Yogi the three time MVP and 10 time WS winner makes up for an awful lot.
   10. Harmon "Thread Killer" Microbrew Posted: December 16, 2021 at 02:22 PM (#6057596)
Automatic elimination from list as this is a MLB.com discussion and there is a lockout.


Right, right. What was I thinking? I should have used some code to discreetly anonymize the MLBer like they did for video games when a player hadn't permitted his name for use. "Mikey Polish"
   11. Harmon "Thread Killer" Microbrew Posted: December 16, 2021 at 02:25 PM (#6057598)
Wow, not even an honorable mention for Yogi and Dale Berra? I know Dale was only a passable major leaguer, but Yogi the three time MVP and 10 time WS winner makes up for an awful lot.


Dale and Yogi combined for around 65 WAR but only 6.6 from Dale. I feel like the writer had a threshold of each player contributing 10+ WAR to the partnership . . .
   12. Traderdave Posted: December 16, 2021 at 02:29 PM (#6057600)
Sal and Drew Butera



And each Butera has a ring.
   13. Jose is Absurdly Correct but not Helpful Posted: December 16, 2021 at 02:35 PM (#6057601)
I have seen both Yastrzemskies homer in person at Fenway Park.
   14. geonose Posted: December 16, 2021 at 02:50 PM (#6057604)
Automatic elimination from list as this is a MLB.com discussion and there is a lockout.

Many current MLB players are mentioned in the article. Mike Trout (no relation to the other Trouts), Bo Bichette, Cavan Biggio, Vladimir Guerrero Jr...the list goes on. The horror!
   15. The Yankee Clapper Posted: December 16, 2021 at 02:50 PM (#6057605)
Just legitimate children, or do bastards count? Asking for Steve Garvey.
   16. Harmon "Thread Killer" Microbrew Posted: December 16, 2021 at 03:22 PM (#6057609)
Mike Trout (no relation to the other Trouts), Bo Bichette, Cavan Biggio, Vladimir Guerrero Jr


You mean Michael Fish, Moe Michette, Caveman Smallio and Bad Terrerro Jr?
   17. Rally Posted: December 16, 2021 at 03:43 PM (#6057616)
You joke, but the Angels actually drafted a Michael Fish a few years ago. Probably thought it was worth a shot after Salmon and Trout.
   18. Tom Nawrocki Posted: December 16, 2021 at 03:48 PM (#6057617)
How about the list of grandfather-grandson WAR leaders?


Sam Hairston (2.9) and Scott Hairston (6.5)
   19. dlf Posted: December 16, 2021 at 04:36 PM (#6057622)
What was Helen Callaghan's WAR in the AAGPBL? Combined with Casey Candaele, it has to be the highest mother-son total.
   20. Traderdave Posted: December 16, 2021 at 05:10 PM (#6057629)
Never knew that about Candaele, very cool. BB-Ref should upload AAGPL data, and Candaele's page should say "Son of Helen Callaghan."
   21. alilisd Posted: December 16, 2021 at 05:23 PM (#6057630)
20. Traderdave Posted: December 16, 2021 at 05:10 PM (#6057629)
Never knew that about Candaele, very cool. BB-Ref should upload AAGPL data, and Candaele's page should say "Son of Helen Callaghan."


Probably a major undertaking to compile those stats, but I fully support adding Son of Helen Callaghan to Candeale's page!
   22. Walt Davis Posted: December 16, 2021 at 06:23 PM (#6057643)
Dwight Smith had 2.6 WAR in just under 2000 PA, with 2.3 of those WAR coming in his rookie year (2nd in RoY to teammate Jerome Walton). DSjr has -0.9 WAR in just under 600 PA, was terrible at AAA this year and found himself in Mexico where he tore it up. (probably not really if I bothered to look at the league.)

Walton and Smith are so paired in Cubs' lore we might as well think of them as brothers. Pretty similar careers as Jerome only made it to 3.7 WAR in 1800 PA with two more solid bench seasons and plenty of not good in the rest of his time.

I kinda like the Schofields in that they were practically the same player. Sr was really before my time but both were lousy-hitting SSs ... in fact they both have a career 73 OPS+. Jr held down a starting slot longer than dad but dad played bits of 19 seasons while Jr only lasted 14. Jr was apparently the better fielder, ended up at 19 WAR; dad made it to 9 WAR. Jayson Werth was notably different than his gene pool.
   23. Traderdave Posted: December 17, 2021 at 02:54 PM (#6057769)
And also the last Richard in MLB to go by Dick.
   24. The Mighty Quintana Posted: December 17, 2021 at 03:03 PM (#6057771)
Well, if we include Cuban & Negro league, the Tiant's have to be way ahead of the Stottlemyre's.
   25. Harmon "Thread Killer" Microbrew Posted: December 17, 2021 at 03:09 PM (#6057773)
Wow. Just noticed that Bo Bichette produced more WAR last season than his father did in his entire career.
   26. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 17, 2021 at 03:31 PM (#6057779)
Jayson Werth was notably different than his gene pool.
Also in that he is a werewolf.
   27. Adam Starblind Posted: December 17, 2021 at 03:40 PM (#6057780)
I still have my baseball glove from when I was 13. It's got two names on it. 1) Mine, from when my mom wrote it there before I took it to camp and 2) Casey Candaele's autograph, which I got at a Mets game in about 1990. I thought this was kind of a big deal, since he had been a Topps All-Star Rookie.
   28. Walt Davis Posted: December 18, 2021 at 11:05 PM (#6057951)
Your glove doesn't have a player's signature in it? I had two Billy Williams Rawlings ... then a Rawlings softball glove but I don't think that one had any signature. I briefly had a Sears Ted Williams but that got stolen by neighborhood bullies on the first day ... maybe my mom should have written my name in it. (Actually they must have been bullies from another neighborhood so not like I saw them again or was eternally taunted seeing some other kid with my glove.) It all worked out because one of my brother's friends gave me his old Billy Williams which was already nicely broken in and older but probably a nicer one than was stolen.
   29. vortex of dissipation Posted: December 19, 2021 at 01:13 AM (#6057964)
I fully support adding Son of Helen Callaghan to Candeale's page!


Seconded.
   30. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: December 20, 2021 at 06:24 AM (#6058044)
Don't forget the only great-grandfather/great-grandson combo in MLB history.
   31. Adam Starblind Posted: December 20, 2021 at 07:14 AM (#6058045)
Walt — you are very right, and I miscounted. The glove has three names — mine, Casey Candaele, and Dwight Gooden.
   32. Harmon "Thread Killer" Microbrew Posted: December 20, 2021 at 07:59 AM (#6058047)
RE:30

From the article I linked above:

The rarest combo is great grandfather (Jim Bluejacket) and great grandson (Bill Wilkinson), they were the first instance of this baseball family tree in baseball history. The only other set was Garland Buckeye, who had two great grandsons that played ball, Drew & Stu Pomeranz.
   33. Lassus Posted: December 20, 2021 at 08:04 AM (#6058048)
That great-grandfather's surname really dwarfs the WAR of his descendant's.
   34. SoSH U at work Posted: December 20, 2021 at 08:14 AM (#6058049)
That great-grandfather's surname really dwarfs the WAR of his descendant's.


I'm really looking forward to seeing how Steve Clipper and John Crew's great-grandkids do in the big leagues.
   35. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: December 20, 2021 at 03:20 PM (#6058108)
I had two Billy Williams Rawlings


I know that every catcher's mitt I had from age 12 till my involuntary retirement in 1998 was a Mike Piazza model, as I made a point of it.

I remember having a Cal Ripken infielder's glove, but he played for so long I couldn't tell you if I had it in tee ball or high school.
   36. Harmon "Thread Killer" Microbrew Posted: December 20, 2021 at 05:26 PM (#6058142)
My first glove in the early 80s was a Richie Zisk model.

He was a full-time DH at the time, so it was not quite the same as rocking an Ozzie Smith glove out there . . .
   37. Itchy Row Posted: December 20, 2021 at 05:45 PM (#6058145)
My first glove, bought in about 1984, had Rickey Henderson's signature. It took three years to outgrow it, and the replacement had Reggie Jackson's signature. The guy who "signed" my first glove played another 19 years after I got it, and the guy from the second one had started 20 years before I got that one.

I also got a free one at baseball glove night at Comiskey, but that fell apart the first time I played catch with it. That one had "Flex Action" where there would have been a fake signature.
   38. Howie Menckel Posted: December 20, 2021 at 07:26 PM (#6058153)
my first bat was a Cleon Jones and my second and last bat was a Chris Speier - top half was white and bottom half was black (or was it vice versa?). it was cool, either way.

blanking on signature on my first glove, where I made the worst "fold" evah. it's a wonder I could catch the ball, there was so little room for it. but I got used to it right away.

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