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The Official Mets Fan Self-Immolation Thread

For those of you who can’t bear to continue. (Thanks to Gold Star For Robot Boy for the idea.)

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601. Lassus Posted: September 24, 2015 at 10:57 AM (#5045411)

Split in Cincy and take 2 in Philly and all is well.
Winning 4 out of 7 is no kind of given. Thank god the Nats are providing such help.

But seriously, when a potential playoff team has to worry about winning 4 out of 7 games, that's a problem.

Oh wait.

602. and Posted: September 24, 2015 at 11:24 AM (#5045448)

Yeah, 4 out of 7 isn't a given but it is eminently doable. Especially against that competition.

If the Mets win a single game in the next 7 and the Nats don't lose, the Mets only have to win the final series. Yes, I know that Metdom would be flipping out going into that series but that's a heck of a thing: go 1-6 in the next 7, Nats go 8-0 the Mets would still not have to sweep to win the division.

You guys are in good shape.

603. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE

Posted: September 24, 2015 at 11:41 AM (#5045465)

But seriously, when a potential playoff team has to worry about winning 4 out of 7 games, that's a problem.

Oh wait.

Dare I suggest that this potential playoff team isn't all that worried?

604. JJ1986 Posted: September 24, 2015 at 11:41 AM (#5045466)

I don't want to be overconfident, but if the Mets win 2 (out of 7) and the Nats lose 2 (out of 8), then the Mets would only have to win 1 of a potential 4 matchups with Washington to win the division.

605. Infinite Yost (Voxter)

Posted: September 24, 2015 at 12:04 PM (#5045510)

I had forgotten that 2004 was the year of the Kazmir trade. Man, that was a terrible trade. It was possibly also the height of me feeling like I knew everything there was to know about baseball and the people who actually worked in baseball were idiots.

606. and Posted: September 24, 2015 at 12:25 PM (#5045541)

Jj, and if the mets win 3 of 7 and the nats lose 3 of 8, it's over.

I'd say at this point, the mets not winning the division is less likely than the 07 collapse

607. Adam Starblind Posted: September 24, 2015 at 12:40 PM (#5045556)

Oh, it absolutely is less likely. Magic number of 5 now vs. 9 then. The Phils were scorching hot in 2007 (won 16 of their last 22), while the Nats don't look great right now.

It's just that nothing ever works out.

608. Lassus Posted: September 24, 2015 at 01:30 PM (#5045586)

OF COURSE it's less likely.

So? I'm still worried. It's the Mets, FFS.

609. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE

Posted: September 24, 2015 at 01:40 PM (#5045593)

So? I'm still worried. It's the Mets, FFS.

FFS, dude, we don't have a monopoly on this ####. Just since 2007, fans of the Tigers, Braves, and Red Sox endured similar, if not worse collapses.

EDIT: I suppose I could have added the 2012 Rangers to the mix as well.

610. Lassus Posted: September 24, 2015 at 01:43 PM (#5045597)

As soon as I start talking about those other teams regarding my worry about the Mets, let me know.

And, to repeat:

I think we WILL win the division, especially after last night.

I also think we still CAN lose the division, and I reserve the right to worry.

611. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE

Posted: September 24, 2015 at 01:53 PM (#5045605)

And, to repeat:

I think we WILL win the division, especially after last night.

Hey, no need for you to go out on a limb...

612. Adam Starblind Posted: September 24, 2015 at 02:57 PM (#5045642)

2000 Yankees closed out the season by losing 15 of 18. Talk about "backing in" to the postseason (and the championship).

613. Lassus Posted: September 24, 2015 at 03:40 PM (#5045690)

I don't want to be overconfident, but if the Mets win 2 (out of 7) and the Nats lose 2 (out of 8)

Sad, yet hilarious.

614. bobm Posted: September 24, 2015 at 04:23 PM (#5045727)

Trying not to break the page again...

     2007  2007  2007 2007   2007  2007   2015  2015  2015 2015   2015  2015
Gm#   Opp   W/L   W-L   Rk     GB MAGIC    Opp   W/L   W-L   Rk     GB MAGIC
135 @ ATL     W 75-60    1 up 3.0    25  @ MIA     W 75-60    1 up 5.0    23 
136 @ ATL     W 76-60    1 up 4.0    23  @ MIA     L 75-61    1 up 4.0    23 
137 @ CIN     W 77-60    1 up 5.0    21  @ WSN     W 76-61    1 up 5.0    21 
138 @ CIN     W 78-60    1 up 5.0    20  @ WSN     W 77-61    1 up 6.0    19 
139 @ CIN     L 78-61    1 up 5.0    19  @ WSN     W 78-61    1 up 7.0    17 
140   HOU     W 79-61    1 up 6.0    17  @ ATL     W 79-61    1 up 7.5    16 
141   HOU     W 80-61    1 up 6.0    16  @ ATL     W 80-61    1 up 8.5    14 
142   HOU     W 81-61    1 up 6.0    15  @ ATL     W 81-61    1 up 9.5    12 
143   ATL     W 82-61    1 up 6.0    14  @ ATL     W 82-61    1 up 9.5    11 
144   ATL     L 82-62    1 up 6.0    13    MIA     W 83-61    1 up 9.5    10 
145   ATL     W 83-62    1 up 7.0    11    MIA     L 83-62    1 up 8.5    10 
146   PHI     L 83-63    1 up 5.5    11    MIA     L 83-63    1 up 7.5    10 
147   PHI     L 83-64    1 up 4.5    11    NYY     W 84-63    1 up 8.0     8 
148   PHI     L 83-65    1 up 3.5    11    NYY     L 84-64    1 up 7.0     8 
149 @ WSN     L 83-66    1 up 2.5    11    NYY     L 84-65    1 up 6.0     8 
150 @ WSN     L 83-67    1 up 1.5    11    ATL     W 85-65    1 up 6.5     7 
151 @ WSN     W 84-67    1 up 2.5     9    ATL     L 85-66    1 up 6.5     6 
152 @ FLA     L 84-68    1 up 1.5     9    ATL     L 85-67    1 up 6.5     5
     
153 @ FLA     W 85-68    1 up 1.5     8  @ CIN      
154 @ FLA     W 86-68    1 up 1.5     7  @ CIN      
155 @ FLA     W 87-68    1 up 2.5     5  @ CIN      
156   WSN     L 87-69    1 up 2.0     5  @ CIN      
157   WSN     L 87-70    1 up 2.0     4  @ PHI      
158   WSN     L 87-71    1 up 1.0     4  @ PHI      
159   STL     L 87-72    1   Tied     4  @ PHI      
160   FLA     L 87-73    2    1.0     4    WSN      
161   FLA     W 88-73    1   Tied     2    WSN      
162   FLA     L 88-74    2    1.0     2    WSN

615. bobm Posted: September 24, 2015 at 04:24 PM (#5045731)

If the Mets win a single game in the next 7 and the Nats don't lose, the Mets only have to win the final series. Yes, I know that Metdom would be flipping out going into that series but that's a heck of a thing: go 1-6 in the next 7, Nats go 8-0 the Mets would still not have to sweep to win the division.

Mets fans know that having to win the final series to win the division is a prophecy for doom.

616. Lassus Posted: September 24, 2015 at 04:34 PM (#5045746)

I know this is a personal problem, but looking at that chart and realizing we are still 6.5 games up was kind of a shock.

617. bobm Posted: September 24, 2015 at 05:41 PM (#5045784)

2000 Yankees closed out the season by losing 15 of 18. Talk about "backing in" to the postseason (and the championship).

NY Post: 4 title-winning role models for Mets in September funk

Step in off the ledge, Mets fans.

A 3-6 homestand, while not optimal, has no bearing on the postseason. Neither does a so-so September (record: 12-9).

Getting in is all that counts. Just ask the 2014 Giants, 2006 Cardinals (yikes, we know!), 2001 Diamondbacks and 2000 Yankees (double yikes).

Plus, the Mets aren’t the only contender struggling. The NL West-leading Dodgers just snapped a four-game losing streak. The Cardinals, owners of the best record in baseball, are 11-10 this month after starting out 3-8. The Royals are even worse, at 8-13.

Below is proof that all that matters is getting in:

Link

618. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: September 24, 2015 at 07:12 PM (#5045869)

The Mets may be channeling the 2007 team, but these Nats do not appear to be channeling the 2007 Phils

619. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE

Posted: September 24, 2015 at 07:16 PM (#5045875)

The Nats have been swept and now have a 0.1% chance of reaching the postseason. Translation: So you're saying there's still a chance that the Mets are DOOMED?!?

620. billyshears Posted: September 24, 2015 at 07:18 PM (#5045878)

I really like the Orioles.

621. Adam Starblind Posted: September 24, 2015 at 08:31 PM (#5045955)

Mets fans know that having to win the final series to win the division is a prophecy for doom.

It was for the wild card, but the Mets swept the last 3 in 1999, including a walk-off in the last, to force the tie-breaker game with the Reds, which they won on Leiter's 2-hitter. That followed what at that time passed for a "collapse." Pfft.

622. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: September 24, 2015 at 10:17 PM (#5046003)

We're gonna get swept by the Dodgers, but making the playoffs this year is pretty darned neat!

623. Infinite Yost (Voxter)

Posted: September 24, 2015 at 10:36 PM (#5046014)

Hey, the Dodgers have their own legacy of tanking in the playoffs to contend with.

624. bobm Posted: September 25, 2015 at 08:28 AM (#5046092)

     2007 2007  2007 2007   2007  2007   2015 2015  2015 2015   2015  2015
Gm#   Opp  W/L   W-L   Rk     GB MAGIC    Opp  W/L   W-L   Rk     GB MAGIC
135 @ ATL    W 75-60    1 up 3.0    25  @ MIA    W 75-60    1 up 5.0    23
136 @ ATL    W 76-60    1 up 4.0    23  @ MIA    L 75-61    1 up 4.0    23
137 @ CIN    W 77-60    1 up 5.0    21  @ WSN    W 76-61    1 up 5.0    21
138 @ CIN    W 78-60    1 up 5.0    20  @ WSN    W 77-61    1 up 6.0    19
139 @ CIN    L 78-61    1 up 5.0    19  @ WSN    W 78-61    1 up 7.0    17
140   HOU    W 79-61    1 up 6.0    17  @ ATL    W 79-61    1 up 7.5    16
141   HOU    W 80-61    1 up 6.0    16  @ ATL    W 80-61    1 up 8.5    14
142   HOU    W 81-61    1 up 6.0    15  @ ATL    W 81-61    1 up 9.5    12
143   ATL    W 82-61    1 up 6.0    14  @ ATL    W 82-61    1 up 9.5    11
144   ATL    L 82-62    1 up 6.0    13    MIA    W 83-61    1 up 9.5    10
145   ATL    W 83-62    1 up 7.0    11    MIA    L 83-62    1 up 8.5    10
146   PHI    L 83-63    1 up 5.5    11    MIA    L 83-63    1 up 7.5    10
147   PHI    L 83-64    1 up 4.5    11    NYY    W 84-63    1 up 8.0     8
148   PHI    L 83-65    1 up 3.5    11    NYY    L 84-64    1 up 7.0     8
149 @ WSN    L 83-66    1 up 2.5    11    NYY    L 84-65    1 up 6.0     8
150 @ WSN    L 83-67    1 up 1.5    11    ATL    W 85-65    1 up 6.5     7
151 @ WSN    W 84-67    1 up 2.5     9    ATL    L 85-66    1 up 6.5     6
152 @ FLA    L 84-68    1 up 1.5     9    ATL    L 85-67    1 up 6.5     5
153 @ FLA    W 85-68    1 up 1.5     8  @ CIN    W 86-67    1 up 7.5     3

154 @ FLA    W 86-68    1 up 1.5     7  @ CIN      
155 @ FLA    W 87-68    1 up 2.5     5  @ CIN      
156   WSN    L 87-69    1 up 2.0     5  @ CIN      
157   WSN    L 87-70    1 up 2.0     4  @ PHI      
158   WSN    L 87-71    1 up 1.0     4  @ PHI      
159   STL    L 87-72    1   Tied     4  @ PHI      
160   FLA    L 87-73    2      1     4    WSN      
161   FLA    W 88-73    1   Tied     2    WSN      
162   FLA    L 88-74    2      1     2    WSN

625. Bote Man Posted: September 25, 2015 at 08:29 AM (#5046093)

Gasoline heeeeeere! Getcher gas heeeeeeeeeeeeeeere!! Last call for gasoline!

626. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: September 25, 2015 at 09:52 AM (#5046170)

The only person allowed to get a big head about the Mets before they clinch is Mr. Met.

627. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: September 25, 2015 at 12:50 PM (#5046351)

So... the only actual race is in the AL West?

Houston could catch Texas or LA/Minn could catch Houston...

628. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: September 25, 2015 at 01:53 PM (#5046403)

Just got notified that my playoff tickets have shipped!

629. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: September 25, 2015 at 02:02 PM (#5046417)

So... the only actual race is in the AL West?

Houston could catch Texas or LA/Minn could catch Houston...

Toronto is only up by 3 on the Yankees.

St. Louis is only up by 4 on the Pirates and they have one 3-game series against each other remaining. Both of those leads are unlikely to change hands, but not necessarily any less likely than the AL West at this point.

630. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: September 25, 2015 at 02:59 PM (#5046477)

Toronto is only up by 3 on the Yankees.

St. Louis is only up by 4 on the Pirates

I was thinking about race as in terms of making or not making the playoffs...

but you are right, winning a division as opposed to the Wild Card is in fact a big deal given the way the playoffs are structured

631. bobm Posted: September 26, 2015 at 08:15 PM (#5047325)

Woo hoo!

632. tfbg9 Posted: September 26, 2015 at 10:11 PM (#5047368)

Congrats Mets fans. You earned it. Best of luck. And if by some weird twist of fate you make it the WS only to face the Yankees, please avenge 2000, even though I stand to make a f*ckton of money if they beat you again.

633. Spahn Insane Posted: September 26, 2015 at 10:27 PM (#5047376)

Congrats, Mets. Go beat the Dodgers' asses. You'll make that easier by overtaking them for home field. Yes, I'm hoping for a Cubs/Mets NLCS.

634. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: September 28, 2015 at 09:39 AM (#5048182)

The skies are gray and leaden in the New York Metro Area this morning, but somehow, the sun is shining a little brighter...

(Forgive me, I was AFK this weekend)

635. bobm Posted: October 24, 2015 at 10:29 AM (#5077360)

This is the first October 2015 post in this thread. Who would have guessed?

636. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE

Posted: October 24, 2015 at 10:40 AM (#5077367)

367. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: July 24, 2015 at 02:33 AM (#5005638)
I asked 3 times and no one answered! Oh the vicissitudes of posting from my phone.

Also, this team is so toast. At least we're not trading for Victor Zambrano.

373. Adam Starblind Posted: July 24, 2015 at 07:56 AM (#5005661)
I'm pretty sure Neagle was a Rockie when he got arrested.

As for the Mets, they are the second team since 1920 to field a lineup in which the 3 and 4 hitters were batting under .200. Thanks, Falterson!

388. Lassus Posted: July 29, 2015 at 11:59 PM (#5009332)
I was underwhelmed by the acquisition of Carlos Gomez, but now I'm doubly annoyed it didn't work out.

Good times.

637. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE

Posted: October 24, 2015 at 10:48 AM (#5077373)

497. Adam Starblind Posted: September 22, 2015 at 04:13 PM (#5044240)
On another topic, last night I got to wondering if maybe Daniel Murphy is a dumbass. Did you ever notice the press never really interviews him? You'd think he'd be the kind of guy they'd love (i.e., a white guy they would label "gritty" because journalists are also mostly dumbasses). But maybe he's too dumb to talk to even by athlete standards? And then you add in the relatively frequent mental mistakes (last night's egregious base"running" blunder got me thinking), and ...

Daniel Murphy: idiot?

Better times.

638. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE

Posted: October 24, 2015 at 10:51 AM (#5077376)

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639. PreservedFish Posted: October 24, 2015 at 10:55 AM (#5077381)

487. PreservedFish Posted: September 22, 2015 at 01:49 PM (#5044135)
I do not share your guys' nerves. I feel like this year has been so charmed already. A collapse would be disappointing of course but it wouldn't put a dagger through my heart like it did in 2007.

I still have this feeling. A loss to the Royals will not crush me. The Mets have been so wildly entertaining and surprisingly fantastic that this season will never be anything but a wonderful memory.

640. zack Posted: October 24, 2015 at 11:46 AM (#5077401)

Has there been any talk of who the additions will be in the DH games? It looks like the Royals only started RH pitchers in the first two rounds, though I don't know if they'll stick with Young. In that case, Lagares->CF, Cespedes->RF, Conforto->DH? Or Kelly Johnson->DH? Something else?

641. Lassus Posted: October 24, 2015 at 11:53 AM (#5077416)

388. Lassus Posted: July 29, 2015 at 11:59 PM (#5009332)
I was underwhelmed by the acquisition of Carlos Gomez, but now I'm doubly annoyed it didn't work out.

Please note, doofus, this was prior to the news of them acquiring ANYONE. Me being annoyed they were making no moves for an impact bad was justified.

I'm pretty close to PF's #639 at this point, definitely.

Better times.

Murphy is well-spoken enough to end up in a studio somewhere, actually.

642. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick

Posted: October 24, 2015 at 11:59 AM (#5077419)

So are any of you guys making any World Series predictions one way or the other? I can't see any clear favorite here.

643. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 24, 2015 at 12:08 PM (#5077431)

So are any of you guys making any World Series predictions one way or the other? I can't see any clear favorite here.

Not a Met fan (but I like this team). I say Mets in 6.

I think the Mets have the clear advantage in SP and the everyday lineup. KC's advantage in the pen shouldn't come into play much if the Mets play like they can.

644. Adam Starblind Posted: October 24, 2015 at 12:35 PM (#5077443)

So are any of you guys making any World Series predictions one way or the other?

I predict I'll see everyone back here after game 4?

645. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE

Posted: October 24, 2015 at 12:58 PM (#5077453)

Please note, doofus, this was prior to the news of them acquiring ANYONE. Me being annoyed they were making no moves for an impact bad was justified.

Prior to CESPEDES, doofus. All of the other acquisitions had been made by the 29th.

646. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE

Posted: October 24, 2015 at 01:00 PM (#5077454)

Has there been any talk of who the additions will be in the DH games? It looks like the Royals only started RH pitchers in the first two rounds, though I don't know if they'll stick with Young. In that case, Lagares->CF, Cespedes->RF, Conforto->DH? Or Kelly Johnson->DH? Something else?

Kelly Johnson won't start a single game in Kansas City even if he has 4X6 glossies of Terry schtupping cattle on the counter of Arthur Bryant's.

647. Swoboda is freedom Posted: October 24, 2015 at 02:15 PM (#5077487)

Or Kelly Johnson->DH? Something else?

No way. Uribe should be back, so he will get some action, either DH or position. Cuddyer gets ABs versus lefties.

648. Conor Posted: October 24, 2015 at 04:04 PM (#5077520)

I really don't see why Johnson shouldn't DH. Royals don't have any left handed starters. I wouldn't DH Uribe over Johnson against any right handers. It's possible at least some of the time Terry goes for defense and puts Lagares in the OF and DH's Conforto.

649. Howie Menckel Posted: October 24, 2015 at 04:33 PM (#5077529)

AnthonyMcCarron
3:51pm via Twitter for iPhone

Collins says Harvey is pitching Game 1, deGrom starts Game 2, then Syndergaard and Matz

650. Lassus Posted: October 24, 2015 at 04:43 PM (#5077533)

Prior to CESPEDES, doofus. All of the other acquisitions had been made by the 29th.

Yes, my lack of satisfaction with the acquisitions of Kelly Johnson, Juan Uribe, and Tyler Clippard as impact bats to lead us to the pennant is truly shocking.

651. Adam Starblind Posted: October 24, 2015 at 04:57 PM (#5077538)

No fighting on the Self Immolation thread. This is hallowed ground.

652. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE

Posted: October 24, 2015 at 05:25 PM (#5077553)

Yes, my lack of satisfaction with the acquisitions of Kelly Johnson, Juan Uribe, and Tyler Clippard as impact bats to lead us to the pennant is truly shocking.

That wasn't your original beef but, whatev, I'm having trouble keeping up with all of your kvetching.

653. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: October 24, 2015 at 06:28 PM (#5077572)

My prediction is Royals, 4-1.

654. Howie Menckel Posted: October 24, 2015 at 06:52 PM (#5077582)

Ackert_NYDN
6:30pm via Twitter Web Client

Uribe took live BP, but still hearing it is unlikely he will be activated for World Series. #Mets

655. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE

Posted: October 24, 2015 at 06:53 PM (#5077585)

Let's Go Mets, 4 games to 2.

656. Lassus Posted: October 24, 2015 at 07:20 PM (#5077600)

That wasn't your original beef but, whatev, I'm having trouble keeping up with all of your kvetching.

My original beef (shared by others) was that as sub-optimal I considered Gomez as an acquisition, NOT acquiring him worse than only adding Uriba, Johnson, and Clippard. Let me know what part of that is problematic.

657. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: October 24, 2015 at 07:31 PM (#5077606)

Also, given that the speculated cause for the Gomez deal falling apart was the Mets inability to pay his 2016 salary, most of the complaint was centered around the inability of the Wilpons to fund the team. And it's entirely possible that the Mets payroll next year is back under 100m as the salary additions this season were pretty much all covered by Wright's insurance policy.

658. PreservedFish Posted: October 24, 2015 at 08:17 PM (#5077615)

I am disappointed that I didn't comment on this thread during its original life.

When this trade went down I was on a cruise ship in Alaska with my family, a cruise on which one was required to wear black tie several times. They wheeled flaming baked Alaskas through the dining room. In contrast to the majestic setting of tuxedos and icebergs, I actually did not own a computer at that time. Any BTF comments I made during that summer were from a shared computer at the retail job I was working, posted during my lunch break, or from the free computers at the public library, where I would sit in line with drifters and losers, people that would dolefully play minesweeper for their allotted 10 minutes, and then shift back into line to await another turn.

I had some internet access on the cruise, perhaps from a business center or such, because I remember writing a despairing email to a friend of mine. I'd like to look it up, but I sent it on an old Yahoo account that I don't think I can access anymore.

659. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE

Posted: October 24, 2015 at 11:36 PM (#5077652)

My original beef (shared by others) was that as sub-optimal I considered Gomez as an acquisition, NOT acquiring him worse than only adding Uriba, Johnson, and Clippard. Let me know what part of that is problematic.

I don't think many others shared the view on the 29th that the Gomez deal falling through meant nothing else would be attempted before the deadline.

And of course, if anything could be called "sub-optimal," it was Gomez's performance in Houston in August and September.

660. Swoboda is freedom Posted: October 25, 2015 at 07:53 AM (#5077673)

I don't think many others shared the view on the 29th that the Gomez deal falling through meant nothing else would be attempted before the deadline.

I kinda did. I thought once the Gomez deal fell through, they were not going to do another deal, or if they did, it was not going to be for as good a player as Gomez.

661. bobm Posted: October 31, 2015 at 11:44 PM (#5085021)

Dooooooooooooomed

662. Bote Man Posted: November 01, 2015 at 12:10 AM (#5085049)

This thread has never served a more important purpose.

663. PreservedFish Posted: November 01, 2015 at 12:58 AM (#5085065)

The Mets are losing close games to an equally good team, and they're losing in an entirely predictable fashion, bullpen and defense problems. No reason to self-immolate. Sometimes you just lose. And sometimes those losses are in a World Series that you never expected to get to. I'm rooting for a Mets Miracle but this season has been nothing but enjoyment for me, and this loss will not leave me bitter.

664. Howie Menckel Posted: November 01, 2015 at 01:07 AM (#5085067)

take it to the "no reason to self-immolate" thread, Fish

:)

665. Dog on the sidewalk has an ugly bracelet Posted: November 01, 2015 at 01:23 AM (#5085073)

I'm incredibly frustrated by Collins continued devotion to Clippard and the correlating under-usage of Familia . It bothers me a lot more than the Murphy error or the Cespedes brainfart.

The end tonight was torture, but I'm mostly with PF. Too much positive this season to self-immolate over the negative. I did not expect a WS appearance... The roster is filled with good, young players who almost all surpassed my expectations... Bartolo Colon. It's been a ton of fun to watch, and, while acknowledging how easily things can go astray, the future looks bright.

If you can't appreciate a season like this unless it ends with a title, I think you're doing fandom wrong.

Now get over your ######## defined bullpen roles, Collins, you stupid ####### ######, and see if Harvey/deGrom/Syndergaard + Familia can win 3 straight!

666. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: November 01, 2015 at 02:27 AM (#5085075)

This is the only season this group of players will make the playoffs. They still have no money, they'll sell off Harvey at pennies on the dollar, and deGrom and Syndergaard are both going to get hurt while David Wright is a walking crippled time bomb.

Burn this team down for the insurance money, they suck.

667. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick

Posted: November 01, 2015 at 07:13 AM (#5085082)

The Series isn't over. I can't let this thread end with 666 posts.

668. Lassus Posted: November 01, 2015 at 07:53 AM (#5085085)

I'm with Dog and PF, it's obviously torturous to lose such a game, but I don't see the need for immolation either.

Also, I'm dead on with Dog on the Clippard crap, just plain stupid. Honestly, Familia seems a little tired lately himself.

669. Harveys Wallbangers

Posted: November 01, 2015 at 08:14 AM (#5085088)

just as a team can lose close games they can start winning them. that is the nature of one run games.

i don't see anything on the field that tells me the royals are clearly better

the royals over four games have barely outscored the mets

this is no drubbing. it could turn quickly.

670. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE

Posted: November 01, 2015 at 08:26 AM (#5085091)

Also, I'm dead on with Dog on the Clippard crap, just plain stupid. Honestly, Familia seems a little tired lately himself.

I still don't understand why Terry felt compelled to have Familia pitch on Friday night with a gazillion-run lead.

671. BDC

Posted: November 01, 2015 at 09:13 AM (#5085099)

Terry felt compelled to have Familia pitch on Friday night with a gazillion-run lead

Conversely, Davis's two-inning save last night – while completely indicated – may give the Mets a minor edge tonight. Though at that, Davis threw just 27 pitches after three days' rest. Tonight is probably business as usual for him.

672. zzz Posted: November 01, 2015 at 09:20 AM (#5085101)

Terry felt compelled to have Familia pitch on Friday night with a gazillion-run lead

Conversely, Davis's two-inning save last night – while completely indicated – may give the Mets a minor edge tonight. Though at that, Davis threw just 27 pitches after three days' rest. Tonight is probably business as usual for him.

Talking about standardized pitcher usage, I don't understand why relievers can't work more, or why more work would be worse than less.

The tough thing would be coming in with runners on if you weren't used to it.

673. zzz Posted: November 01, 2015 at 09:25 AM (#5085102)

i don't see anything on the field that tells me the royals are clearly better

the royals over four games have barely outscored the mets

this is no drubbing. it could turn quickly.

The teams are close, but the two things that obviously separated them coming into the Series have played out accordingly -- the Mets questionable relief corps and iffy fielding.

They have lost two games that were winnable, for sure. Is that glass half-empty or half-full?

Or, more simply, Familia has blown two saves, which is a shocker.

674. zzz Posted: November 01, 2015 at 09:28 AM (#5085104)

One game at a time. Win tonight, and the Mets still have a shot.

I'd feel pretty good as a Mets fan of they got to Game 7.

675. Bote Man Posted: November 01, 2015 at 10:08 AM (#5085112)

Talking about standardized pitcher usage, I don't understand why relievers can't work more, or why more work would be worse than less.

I know it was a different era 30 years ago, but while I was enjoying playing catchup with Ray the other night, I was flabbergasted that Britt Burns pitched NINE+ INNINGS in Game 4 of the 1983 ALCS. Tony LaRussa only took him out in the 10th inning of a 0-0 tie because Tito Landrum (!!) hit a cookie for a home run to put the Orioles up 1-0. This was a must-win game in the playoffs! The White Sox lose and they go home to make their Winter vacation plans!

My Gawd, how things have changed when a reliever comes in and we're worried about him facing a mere ONE batter.

</rant (I guess)>

676. bobm Posted: November 02, 2015 at 12:33 AM (#5086393)

Doooooooooomed!

677. Bote Man Posted: November 02, 2015 at 12:37 AM (#5086412)

Wilmer Flores is the new Carlos Beltran.

678. zzz Posted: November 02, 2015 at 12:48 AM (#5086436)

Maybe Collins isn't terrible, but he had to stick to his guns and go to Familia.

679. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: November 02, 2015 at 01:14 AM (#5086469)

Like in 2000 the Mets have lost a World Series that was a LOT closer than it looked. If they don't blow their 8th inning or later saves they're celebrating their own 4-1 WS win.

Btw, I would like to point out that I picked the Royals in 5. I mixed up which game the Mets would win, though.

Now to watch the team get sold off for scrap and the Wilpons pocket the money.

680. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE

Posted: November 02, 2015 at 01:45 AM (#5086474)

Now to watch the team get sold off for scrap and the Wilpons pocket the money.

Good grief, Scott. Is this your silly way of saying the 2016 Mets are DOOMED?

681. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: November 02, 2015 at 02:57 AM (#5086485)

As long as this thread exists, I shall live eternal.

682. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: November 02, 2015 at 07:47 AM (#5086502)

the Mets are ###### forever and ever anon.

As for my attempt at a reverse jinx, I clearly blew it when I said that I felt confident with Familia literally seconds before he blew game 1. Sorry folks.

683. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: November 02, 2015 at 07:53 AM (#5086504)

That was the Metsiest series ever.

684. Guapo Posted: November 02, 2015 at 08:25 AM (#5086515)

March 9, 2016 (PORT ST. LUCIE)- The New York Mets announced today that Matt Harvey will miss his first scheduled start of spring training and undergo an MRI on his elbow.

"Nothing to be worried about, I think. Just sounds like he's dealing with some normal spring soreness. I'm sure if this was the regular season he'd be ready to go," manager Terry Collins told reporters, his voice cracking and his complexion the color and consistency of a marshmallow.

685. Jack Keefe Posted: November 02, 2015 at 08:35 AM (#5086523)

I pickt the Roils in five too Scott.

11. Jack Keefe Posted: October 05, 2015 at 09:03 AM (#5053996)
I take the Cubs over the Pirates Al no 1 can beet Ariana.

Houston has Dallas Cuckoo and that is good enough 4 me. He will strike out A rod.

Now how about the rest. Cubs will play St. Loo and who in his rite Mine would route for the Carnals in that 1. I say Cubs Al I will write the Hot Hand.

Mets and Dodgers who cares. Let me flip a Coin Al. Hey it is 1 of those stupid Quarters I don't know if it's heads or Tales. Let me flip it again. OK there is George Washignton Al. So its Mets.

Blue Jays can beat Texas easily if they had Burly but my old pal A.J. says that Burly's arm is hanging by a Threat. And what about Too Low Al is he back yet that guy must be made of Glass. I still say Tranno in five.

Then we have KC and Houston. Al I would be surprise if that garners five viewers even in Prime Time. KC what the heck.

Cubs and Mets, there is some fine pitching on those clubs Al. Those guys are nearly as good as Keefe at his peek. Mets in six Al.

KC and Blue Jays is even wurst for the Raidings though it will get 100% in Canada you bet. I will pick KC because Ned Yolks can really pick his Bull Pen Al.

Now we got KC and Mets in the World Serious. You know Al I hate those Mets unis. They look stupid to me. You half to pick a Club with some Class Al and KC has that fetching Royal Blue. KC in five Al and you read it hear first.

But hey they won the Punnet and that is more than 28 teams can say Scott.

686. TomH Posted: November 02, 2015 at 10:18 AM (#5086595)

NYMets: 54 years and counting from their first expansion year. How many WS appearances and victories could we expect? By random chance, 5 pennants and 2 WS trophies is almost exactly as expected. By comparing to other expansion teams in 1960 thru 1977, they are superior. All self-immolators oughta go home. Shut the thread down.

687. billyshears Posted: November 02, 2015 at 10:23 AM (#5086601)

I am not doing very well this morning.

688. formerly dp Posted: November 02, 2015 at 10:27 AM (#5086604)

That they lost in the WS to a good team does not bother me. How they lost, though--in an extremely winnable series where the defense failed with their otherwise-unhittable closer on the mound--is still pretty damn depressing.

What do they fix for next year? Obviously, they need some arms in the bullpen, and either a new CF or a willingness to live with a hopefully-healthy Lagares. Maybe a new SS, but I think Flores surprised with his defense in the postseason, and Tejada makes a nice gloveman to back him up. Don't know what they'll do about Murphy--but I think Herrera can step in and be the better all-around player by midseason.

689. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE

Posted: November 02, 2015 at 10:28 AM (#5086606)

I am not doing very well this morning.

Worst. Monday. Ever?

690. billyshears Posted: November 02, 2015 at 11:01 AM (#5086642)

That they lost in the WS to a good team does not bother me. How they lost, though--in an extremely winnable series where the defense failed with their otherwise-unhittable closer on the mound--is still pretty damn depressing.

What do they fix for next year? Obviously, they need some arms in the bullpen, and either a new CF or a willingness to live with a hopefully-healthy Lagares. Maybe a new SS, but I think Flores surprised with his defense in the postseason, and Tejada makes a nice gloveman to back him up. Don't know what they'll do about Murphy--but I think Herrera can step in and be the better all-around player by midseason.

It's weird - I was talking to another fan before the Dodgers series who was really nervous. I wasn't nervous at all though, because in my mind, the season has already been a success. My only real hope was that I wanted the team to go out fighting. And the playoff run was obviously incredible. But I can't help but feeling really upset this morning because I felt that we gave this series away, and we gave it away in the 8th inning or later every time. And the opportunity to play in the World Series is rare, and the best teams in baseball miss that chance on a regular basis.

I'm with you on the approach to next season though - I think we have to be very unsentimental. That means replacing Murphy with Herrera. Let Cespedes walk (I think the last six weeks has made that decision reasonably easy). I think we should kick the tires on a Zack Wheeler for Jurickson Profar deal (not entirely sure that makes sense for us though). I would look at Heyward to play CF if we think he can. Don't think there a way to upgrade from Duda, but I would see what's out there. The rotation to start the season is set with with Harvey/deGrom/Syndegaard/Matz/Niese. Wheeler will be back around mid-season if he isn't traded. I liked Colon out of the bullpen, and I would re-sign him for the pen and insurance in the rotation if the price isn't too high. The bullpen basically needs to be bombed outside of Familia and Robles.

691. formerly dp Posted: November 02, 2015 at 11:16 AM (#5086661)

But I can't help but feeling really upset this morning because I felt that we gave this series away, and we gave it away in the 8th inning or later every time. And the opportunity to play in the World Series is rare, and the best teams in baseball miss that chance on a regular basis.

That's where I'm at too. But after how things went with the Cubs--where the offense depended entirely on an otherworldly and unrepeatable performance by Murphy--I felt like this team was channeling the July version: not enough hitting to get the job done, and the pitching needed to be perfect for them to win.

The unsung goat of the season, in a lot of ways, is Mejia: without that second PED suspension, he would have given them more depth out there. While the Met starters held up strikingly well over the course of the season, the bullpen just kept getting hit over and over again with injuries. Parnell's inability to pitch well upon returning, the death of every LOOGY they brought in to replace Edgin, Mejia's issues, relying on Clippard and Reed--that bullpen just didn't have any kind of depth to it. That they won in spite of all those issues really is a testament to how rock solid the starters and Familia were throughout the season.

692. Conor Posted: November 02, 2015 at 11:31 AM (#5086694)

Rubin was throwing Colby Rasmus out there as a name for CF. Lefty power bat, would work well in a platoon with Lagares. Could also handle a corner if someone goes down with an injury. I think you offer Murph the QO and if he takes it, it's not the worst thing in the world but if he walks you take the draft pick. I would love to make some kind of a deal for a SS; Flores ended up not being terrible there, but he's still below average. Maybe they bring Uribe and Johnson back? They need someone who can handle 3B for the inevitable Wright injury (which could also be Flores). If the lineup was something like

C: D'Arnaud
1B: Duda
2b: Dilson
SS: Flores (i'm hoping for someone better but I have no names yet)
3B: Wright
LF: Conforto
CF: Lagares/Rasmus
RF: Granderson

Then you can mix and match on the bench with maybe Uribe, Cuddyer, Johnson, Plaw. The starting rotation is at least going to enter the season as a huge strength. That's probably the favorite in the division, right?

693. Adam Starblind Posted: November 02, 2015 at 12:01 PM (#5086732)

SS: Flores (i'm hoping for someone better but I have no names yet)

Desmond if the price is right?

694. Conor Posted: November 02, 2015 at 12:07 PM (#5086741)

Yeah actually one of my friends brought him up earlier today and then I totally forgot about him when writing the post. Maybe he signs a one year make good deal? Would be an interesting play.

695. Bote Man Posted: November 02, 2015 at 06:57 PM (#5087141)

Desmond if the price is right?

If the price were right, the Nationals would likely try to sign him. He wants big bucks that are bigger than his performance, I'm afraid.

696. bobm Posted: November 02, 2015 at 08:13 PM (#5087169)

The unsung goat of the season, in a lot of ways, is Mejia: without that second PED suspension, he would have given them more depth out there.

Only during the regular season. The first suspension disqualified him from postseason play.

Baseball players suspended during the season for a performance-enhancing drug violation will not be eligible for that year's postseason under changes to the sport's drug agreement announced Friday.

Link

697. Adam Starblind Posted: November 02, 2015 at 08:16 PM (#5087172)

If the price were right, the Nationals would likely try to sign him. He wants big bucks that are bigger than his performance, I'm afraid.

Aren't they going to turn SS over to Trea Turner?

698. bobm Posted: November 02, 2015 at 08:18 PM (#5087173)

That they won in spite of all those issues really is a testament to how rock solid the starters and Familia were throughout the season.

For single team seasons, For 2015, as Starter (within Pitching Role), sorted by greatest percentage of total Batters Faced in this split

                                            
Rk            Split Year   G   BF BFtot    %
1    CHW as Starter 2015 162 4290  6181 69.4
2    HOU as Starter 2015 162 4097  5965 68.7
3    NYM as Starter 2015 162 4127  6046 68.3
4    CLE as Starter 2015 161 4001  5904 67.8
5    TOR as Starter 2015 162 4032  5984 67.4
6    WSN as Starter 2015 162 4016  5975 67.2
7    LAD as Starter 2015 162 3950  5932 66.6
8    STL as Starter 2015 162 4076  6134 66.4
9    LAA as Starter 2015 162 4037  6096 66.2
10   SDP as Starter 2015 162 4014  6093 65.9
11   ATL as Starter 2015 162 4055  6156 65.9
12   PIT as Starter 2015 162 4066  6215 65.4
13   SFG as Starter 2015 162 3925  6009 65.3
14   TEX as Starter 2015 162 4056  6215 65.3
15   BOS as Starter 2015 162 4055  6225 65.1
16   DET as Starter 2015 161 3997  6188 64.6
17   MIN as Starter 2015 162 3954  6139 64.4
18   OAK as Starter 2015 162 3946  6128 64.4
19   BAL as Starter 2015 162 3912  6085 64.3
20   KCR as Starter 2015 162 3919  6112 64.1
21   CHC as Starter 2015 162 3843  5997 64.1
22   MIL as Starter 2015 162 3933  6148 64.0
23   MIA as Starter 2015 162 3859  6050 63.8
24   SEA as Starter 2015 162 3963  6223 63.7
25   NYY as Starter 2015 162 3922  6191 63.4
Rk            Split Year   G   BF BFtot    %
26   TBR as Starter 2015 162 3803  6069 62.7
27   CIN as Starter 2015 162 3896  6271 62.1
28   PHI as Starter 2015 162 3926  6332 62.0
29   ARI as Starter 2015 162 3795  6257 60.7
30   COL as Starter 2015 162 3801  6308 60.3

Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used
Generated 11/2/2015.

699. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: December 23, 2015 at 08:55 PM (#5119591)

The linking of Mets money woes recently have reminded me that the team is (financially) DOOMED.

700. Bote Man Posted: December 23, 2015 at 11:33 PM (#5119648)

Scott Kazmir has been getting interest from the Nats. I can't wait to see this thread blow up if he goes to D.C.

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