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It could also be something like the flu, or any number of different things. And with a non-orthropedic doctor at least it probably isn't a ligament or tendon.
It could also be something like the flu, or any number of different things. And with a non-orthropedic doctor at least it probably isn't a ligament or tendon.
It's almost certainly substance abuse, is it not? I said it when he missed the meeting: you gotta be long down the road of abuse not to even show up. Show up hungover but ffs just show up.
707. Adam Starblind
Posted: March 28, 2016 at 07:24 PM (#5183440)
It's almost certainly substance abuse, is it not?
Although he may be a substance abuser, that's almost certainly not what this is. Sandy described it as "a symptom" that was investigated. Possibly the symptom was being totally stoned, but that's not what it sounds like.
Although he may be a substance abuser, that's almost certainly not what this is. Sandy described it as "a symptom" that was investigated. Possibly the symptom was being totally stoned, but that's not what it sounds like.
Crazy, a lot of smoke around Harvey off the field, with the missed meeting and now this. Something is up.
709. Howie Menckel
Posted: March 28, 2016 at 07:49 PM (#5183455)
I'm going with melanoma - but it turns out to be benign.
wait, wrong thread for that!
710. Davo
Posted: March 28, 2016 at 07:59 PM (#5183464)
711. Textbook Editor
Posted: March 28, 2016 at 09:12 PM (#5183481)
I'm seeing a lot of stuff about testing being done, etc. Non-baseball-related tests being done usually does not mean good things. Hoping it's nothing--the Mets starters are fun to watch, even for a non-fan such as myself.
712. Dr. Vaux
Posted: March 28, 2016 at 09:37 PM (#5183493)
MLB Trade Rumors:
A source familiar with Harvey’s condition tells Mike Puma of the New York Post (Twitter links) that the problem “isn’t major” in the sense that it would cause Harvey to miss a lot of time, which is obviously good news on both a personal and professional level for the ace righty.
The Mets were naturally guarded with details out of respect for Harvey’s privacy and possibly due to the fact that his ailment isn’t quite confirmed. “I think it’s a little early to attach any level of concern. We need to wait for more medical information before we decide if it’s of concern or grave concern or no concern,” Alderson said.
Alderson's comment makes it sound like maybe a due diligence biopsy or something. But Puma's, coupled with Alderson's, makes it sound like it could be something like a broken penis. I'm not sure if there'd be any chance of him pitching on opening day if it was that, though. We're only a week away (which also means that missing the rest of spring training doesn't necessarily mean it's serious).
But Puma's, coupled with Alderson's, makes it sound like it could be something like a broken penis.
Sounds bad. Worse than the Killer Gonorehea theory.
715. Bote Man
Posted: March 28, 2016 at 11:15 PM (#5183531)
Since that just about does it for the Mets this year, does anybody wanna sell me his season tickets for ultra cheap??? Hey, it's better than burning them when you light yourself on fire.
716. Howie Menckel
Posted: March 29, 2016 at 09:13 AM (#5183606)
UPDATE: Matt Harvey had blood clots in his bladder that have passed, will start Opening Day #Mets - via @Ackert_NYDN nydn.us/1qdQJFT
717. Bote Man
Posted: March 29, 2016 at 09:28 AM (#5183619)
Marc Carig @MarcCarig "Any time there's discoloration in your urine, it's not a great feeling." Matt Harvey
No word on whether this was the highly sought after mid-stream urine.
718. Adam Starblind
Posted: March 29, 2016 at 11:25 AM (#5183727)
We can put the gas can down. This time.
719. PreservedFish
Posted: March 29, 2016 at 11:33 AM (#5183736)
You know, every speck of bad news doesn't need to lead to self-immolation. I don't think I've felt really truly distraught about the Mets since Castillo dropped that pop-up. Of course, that might because my heart permanently shrunk in size that day.
720. Adam Starblind
Posted: March 29, 2016 at 11:36 AM (#5183740)
If Matt Harvey caught the AIDS, that would dwarf Castillo's error.
721. PreservedFish
Posted: March 29, 2016 at 11:52 AM (#5183754)
Nobody thought he had AIDS.
722. Howie Menckel
Posted: April 01, 2016 at 09:04 PM (#5186443)
Behold the faces of Mets fans in this picture, taken by Chang W. Lee of The New York Times as the Royals' Eric Hosmer dived safely home to tie the score in the ninth inning of Game 5 of last year's World Series. Three innings later, the Royals scored five runs to win the championship. After Mets officials declined to help us identify any of the people in the photo, we managed to track down 11 of them. With the Mets and the Royals set to begin a new season when they play on Sunday, we asked those with the best view of the play to relive it."
723. Lassus
Posted: April 01, 2016 at 10:05 PM (#5186457)
After Mets officials declined to help us identify any of the people in the photo, we managed to track down 11 of them. With the Mets and the Royals set to begin a new season when they play on Sunday, we asked those with the best view of the play to relive it."
Other than her self-satisfied smugness, it's an awesome piece. I especially like some of the identifiers above the quote, like "Dan DeBernardi-TAKES HEAT FROM HIS YANKEE-FAN FRIENDS"
725. Howie Menckel
Posted: April 02, 2016 at 09:04 AM (#5186541)
just stoking the fires for tomorrow night's opener in Kansas City!
At least I'm getting a Syndergnome out of this travesty.
727. Howie Menckel
Posted: April 12, 2016 at 10:53 PM (#5195186)
not that it's a surprise, but this afternoon the Mets self-immolation fans called early and often to WFAN before today's game.
728. Bote Man
Posted: April 12, 2016 at 10:53 PM (#5195187)
Anthony DiComo @AnthonyDiComo Collins says Mets are likely to activate Rafael Montero tomorrow, but they won't put deGrom on paternity or DL. So, someone gets demoted.
Did deGrom have deBaby yet?
729. Howie Menckel
Posted: April 12, 2016 at 11:12 PM (#5195193)
yes
deBoy
Jaxson Anthony deGrom
7 lb, 12 oz if you're scoring at home
730. Bote Man
Posted: April 12, 2016 at 11:20 PM (#5195197)
So there is hope for Mets fans in about 25 years or so. Unless--what about his hair???
731. Lassus
Posted: April 13, 2016 at 07:37 AM (#5195252)
We are ####### doomed. Harvey is a spoiled brat bum.
734. Lassus
Posted: May 19, 2016 at 08:45 PM (#5225055)
The start of this series seems like it was three weeks ago.
735. Bote Man
Posted: May 20, 2016 at 06:52 AM (#5225196)
Matt Harvey had a longer period than most to recuperate from Tommy John surgery owing to the timing of when it occurred relative to the off-season, but still last night was not a surprise to me. I think the book is that the first year back a TJ pitcher will be on a roller coaster, having a good outing, then a bad one, then a good one. His speed comes back before his command/control. The post-mortem today will be interesting. Sadly, I won't be in much of a position to enjoy the back-biting as I'll be on the road much of the day.
I will say that this division has gone from the NLeast to the NL EAST in a short time with 4 of the 5 teams above .500 this morning.
They have got to have a better option than Eric Campbell at 1B.
740. Bote Man
Posted: May 25, 2016 at 08:16 AM (#5228540)
Ron Darling expounded on how Matt Harvey "cupping" the ball during his delivery was a problem. By cupping he meant tucking his wrist instead of keeping a straight line along his forearm and through his pitching hand. Darling said that he himself did that when he first came up and it resulted in inconsistent pitch location. He corrected it by standing against a door or wall and raising his pitching arm up with a ball in hand to force him to maintain a straight line.
They also noted that Harvey's pitch speed dropped during the game.
David Wright to the DL with a herniated disk in his neck. He's estimated to be out 4-to-6 weeks...which, to me, seems wildly optimistic.
Color me uneager to start the Ty Kelly/Eric Campbell/Wilmer Flores/Matt Reynolds era of Mets offense.
EDIT: well, this makes a lot more sense.
from MLBTR:
11:04am: The news on Wright is considerably worse than the prior four-to-six week barometer, as the Mets have announced that he’ll rest for six to eight weeks without any form of baseball activity. Following such a lengthy layoff, he’ll of course need to embark on a minor league rehab assignment, which would mean that an absence of more than two months is certainly in play. Wright has been placed on the 15-day disabled list, with Matt Reynolds recalled from Triple-A to fill his roster spot.
742. formerly dp
Posted: June 03, 2016 at 02:08 PM (#5235735)
Color me uneager to start the Ty Kelly/Eric Campbell/Wilmer Flores/Matt Reynolds era of Mets offense.
Losing Duda and Wright should have created a spot for Herrera--he's hitting decently well at Vegas, and I'm not sure what's gained by keeping him there. He'd be a better option than Kelly or Reynolds, both of whom have looked pretty worthless. Reynolds had a good 2014, but hasn't shown anything beyond that--career .275/.339/.393 hitter in the minors, never been young for his leagues, and playing a lot at Vegas. Kelly was having the obligatory 'amazing year at Vegas by a guy you've never heard of" at .391/.478/.548, but he's 27 and owns a career .280/.382/.382 line in the minors, which is pretty worthless for a guy who's playing primarily at the corners. Herrera by contrast has a .302/.365/.473 line, mostly quite young for his leagues. Even Cecchini would be a better option at this point (hitting OK at Vegas, no power but a decent walk rate). I understand not wanting to push Walker off 2B, but he's a one-year rental and came up playing 3B, so should be able to handle the transition OK.
Conforto is franchise gold, and I don't think they should push him to 1B for a short-term fix, but getting a Lagares/De Aza platoon out there would be better than Flores/Loney.
743. Bote Man
Posted: June 03, 2016 at 02:28 PM (#5235753)
I can empathize with Mets fans because Wright is (was?) a great player and has that "aww shucks" personality that seems to rub sports writers the right way. I was afraid he might miss significant time this year due to his stenosis problem, but I don't know if this is oddly related or just one of those weird injuries. Still, it's unfortunate for the Mets. Somehow, I think with their pitching rotation they'll muddle through to October.
744. formerly dp
Posted: June 03, 2016 at 02:38 PM (#5235768)
Somehow, I think with their pitching rotation they'll muddle through to October.
The roster is a little deeper this year than it was at this point last season--ffs, they had Mayberry as their cleanup hitter on more than one occasion--but the farm is a bit more bare. A lot depends on how strong Wheeler and d'Arnaud are when they come back. I could very easily see a d'Arnaud/Plawecki/Loney rotation at 1b/C, and if Wheeler's OK, Colon will bolster the bullpen (and can serve as a secret weapon off the bench!). Somehow they kept things patched together through a putrid stretch of injuries and slumps last June/July--they're at a similar moment now...
#Mets going to wait and see if he can play through.
Why? ####### fix it, FFS.
Finding Nimmo is hitting .306/.388/.461 and he's still only 23 (It seems like they drafted him 10 years ago...)
of course .306/.388/.461 isn't so hot for Vegas- OTOH current PCL OPS is .744, which is the lowest it's been in at least 10 years.
Neither Herrera or Cecchini is hitting quite as well (in the minors) as they did in 2015 - but neither is that far off and both are just 22
Reynolds really hasn't done anything aside from 2014 that makes you think he could even be a replacement level hitter.
All I really know about Cecchini is that scouts have seemingly soured on him at the same time he started hitting... which is a bit odd- that and his brother Garin massively outhit him below AA, they were pretty even in AA, and Gavin has been better in AAA...
750. Bote Man
Posted: June 14, 2016 at 07:06 PM (#5243739)
Adam Rubin @AdamRubinESPN Michael Conforto receives cortisone shot for cartilage damage in ailing left wrist. Full details
David Wright mulling undergoing surgery for herniated disk in neckESPN story.
751. Adam Starblind
Posted: June 14, 2016 at 07:23 PM (#5243745)
Cecchini has committed 20 errors in 40 games this year and 42 errors in 109 games last year. His hitting would be fine if he were not doing that in the field.
The Mets seem to have a disproportionately high number of back injuries this year. Is it just that they have a bunch of old players (Duda's not old but he's a quintessential "old player skills" guy)? Is it that they're all swinging for the fences every swing and injuring themselves as a result?
757. Bote Man
Posted: June 15, 2016 at 06:46 PM (#5244497)
I don't feel sad.
758. Bote Man
Posted: June 16, 2016 at 06:30 PM (#5245225)
James Wagner @ByJamesWagner Another blow. Mets place Juan Lagares on the DL for his left thumb injury and recall Ty Kelly from AAA Las Vegas.
Bote has made 4 of the last 6 posts in this thread. Pride goeth before the fall.
760. Lassus
Posted: June 16, 2016 at 08:18 PM (#5245268)
I officially object to breaking this thread out every time one of us feels sad.
Take it to the official billyshears self-immolation thread.
761. Bote Man
Posted: June 16, 2016 at 08:39 PM (#5245273)
What did Springsteen say? Can't start a fire without a spark.
762. formerly dp
Posted: June 17, 2016 at 12:01 AM (#5245554)
I don't know where the Official Met Discussion Thread is now but: why are they screwing around with Kelly when Herrera and Nimmo are clearly better players? Just a versatility thing?
763. Bote Man
Posted: June 21, 2016 at 04:24 PM (#5249024)
Anthony DiComo @AnthonyDiComo Zack Wheeler has experienced some elbow discomfort in his Tommy John rehab. He won't be throwing a sim inning as scheduled this week.
764. Lassus
Posted: June 21, 2016 at 05:05 PM (#5249053)
The Mets were hit with a pair of troubling injuries today, as Noah Syndergaard exited the game after six innings because his right elbow “flared up” (via MLB.com’s Anthony DiComo) and Yoenis Cespedes exited with a wrist injury (per ESPN New York’s Adam Rubin)
767. billyshears
Posted: June 22, 2016 at 06:50 PM (#5250160)
I condone this immolation.
768. Bote Man
Posted: July 06, 2016 at 05:41 PM (#5259905)
Anthony DiComo @AnthonyDiComo BREAKING: Mets announce they've placed Matt Harvey on the disabled list due to right shoulder discomfort. He's headed to STL for testing.
New York Mets @Mets Matt Harvey has been placed on the 15-Day DL due to discomfort in his right shoulder. RHP Seth Lugo has been recalled from Las Vegas.
Adam Rubin @AdamRubinESPN Matt Harvey has been placed on the DL by the Mets with discomfort in his right shoulder. He is being sent to vascular specialist Dr. Robert Thompson in St. Louis for further examination.
Adam Rubin @AdamRubinESPN The thing that jumps right out is that's where Dillon Gee was dispatched when he had a clot in his shoulder and required surgery. We'll see.
Marc Carig @MarcCarig Dr. Thomson in St. Louis, btw, is a vascular surgeon specializing in thoracic outlet syndrome.
Shouldn't there be a Drudge-like Siren Light for this thread?
770. Bote Man
Posted: July 08, 2016 at 09:24 PM (#5261795)
James Wagner @ByJamesWagner Matt Harvey decided to have surgery. Noah Syndergaard left game with a trainer. Yoenis Cespedes left with a quad strain. That’s just today.
Tyler Kepner @TylerKepner Collins insisted before the game that Syndergaard would definitely pitch in the ASG. Said he couldn't hurt himself by doing that. Well...
I'm on board with panicking about this season, but they won the division and made the World Series two seasons ago, and hosted the wild card game last year. The Nationals are no Braves.
776. Lassus
Posted: April 28, 2017 at 02:41 PM (#5444448)
Misirlou mentioned this earlier, and I remember the story but not the poster. Who was it whose dog knocked over and broke the Thor bobblehead arm?
666. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: November 01, 2015 at 02:27 AM (#5085075)
This is the only season this group of players will make the playoffs. They still have no money, they'll sell off Harvey at pennies on the dollar, and deGrom and Syndergaard are both going to get hurt while David Wright is a walking crippled time bomb.
Burn this team down for the insurance money, they suck.
This was mostly prescient...
786. Banta
Posted: December 05, 2017 at 03:54 PM (#5586698)
The lesson of this thread is that everything can always get worse. In a wide variety of ways.
787. Adam Starblind
Posted: December 11, 2017 at 07:00 AM (#5589894)
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It could also be something like the flu, or any number of different things. And with a non-orthropedic doctor at least it probably isn't a ligament or tendon.
It's almost certainly substance abuse, is it not? I said it when he missed the meeting: you gotta be long down the road of abuse not to even show up. Show up hungover but ffs just show up.
Although he may be a substance abuser, that's almost certainly not what this is. Sandy described it as "a symptom" that was investigated. Possibly the symptom was being totally stoned, but that's not what it sounds like.
Crazy, a lot of smoke around Harvey off the field, with the missed meeting and now this. Something is up.
wait, wrong thread for that!
Travis d'Arnaud on Matt Harvey: "No one really knows what's going on... We're praying for him"
Alderson's comment makes it sound like maybe a due diligence biopsy or something. But Puma's, coupled with Alderson's, makes it sound like it could be something like a broken penis. I'm not sure if there'd be any chance of him pitching on opening day if it was that, though. We're only a week away (which also means that missing the rest of spring training doesn't necessarily mean it's serious).
Sounds bad. Worse than the Killer Gonorehea theory.
"Any time there's discoloration in your urine, it's not a great feeling." Matt Harvey
No word on whether this was the highly sought after mid-stream urine.
"Shock. Anger. Agony. Pain.
Behold the faces of Mets fans in this picture, taken by Chang W. Lee of The New York Times as the Royals' Eric Hosmer dived safely home to tie the score in the ninth inning of Game 5 of last year's World Series. Three innings later, the Royals scored five runs to win the championship. After Mets officials declined to help us identify any of the people in the photo, we managed to track down 11 of them. With the Mets and the Royals set to begin a new season when they play on Sunday, we asked those with the best view of the play to relive it."
Dear Leslie Brett: fuck you.
Other than her self-satisfied smugness, it's an awesome piece. I especially like some of the identifiers above the quote, like "Dan DeBernardi-TAKES HEAT FROM HIS YANKEE-FAN FRIENDS"
just stoking the fires for tomorrow night's opener in Kansas City!
At least I'm getting a Syndergnome out of this travesty.
not that it's a surprise, but this afternoon the Mets self-immolation fans called early and often to WFAN before today's game.
Collins says Mets are likely to activate Rafael Montero tomorrow, but they won't put deGrom on paternity or DL. So, someone gets demoted.
Did deGrom have deBaby yet?
deBoy
Jaxson Anthony deGrom
7 lb, 12 oz if you're scoring at home
Also, Jaxson? Gah.
Fanboy downside: much more of this and September/October won't matter.
I will say that this division has gone from the NLeast to the NL EAST in a short time with 4 of the 5 teams above .500 this morning.
Difficult to be entirely fair as he both got hit hard but with bad fielding. Getting out of that inning with 2 runs was within a bobble.
Anthony DiComo @AnthonyDiComo
Mets are going to try a whole host of players at first base in Duda's absence, including potentially Michael Conforto.
The Mets are playing Campbell at first base tonight, assuming it doesn't get rained out.
They also noted that Harvey's pitch speed dropped during the game.
Color me uneager to start the Ty Kelly/Eric Campbell/Wilmer Flores/Matt Reynolds era of Mets offense.
EDIT: well, this makes a lot more sense.
from MLBTR:
Conforto is franchise gold, and I don't think they should push him to 1B for a short-term fix, but getting a Lagares/De Aza platoon out there would be better than Flores/Loney.
Lagares has partially torn ligament in thumb. #Mets going to wait and see if he can play through. Possible surgery eventually.
Why? ####### fix it, FFS.
Finding Nimmo is hitting .306/.388/.461 and he's still only 23 (It seems like they drafted him 10 years ago...)
of course .306/.388/.461 isn't so hot for Vegas- OTOH current PCL OPS is .744, which is the lowest it's been in at least 10 years.
Neither Herrera or Cecchini is hitting quite as well (in the minors) as they did in 2015 - but neither is that far off and both are just 22
Reynolds really hasn't done anything aside from 2014 that makes you think he could even be a replacement level hitter.
All I really know about Cecchini is that scouts have seemingly soured on him at the same time he started hitting... which is a bit odd- that and his brother Garin massively outhit him below AA, they were pretty even in AA, and Gavin has been better in AAA...
Michael Conforto receives cortisone shot for cartilage damage in ailing left wrist. Full details
David Wright mulling undergoing surgery for herniated disk in neck ESPN story.
Mets second baseman Neil Walker again dispatched to doctor as back woes persist. Full details.
Juan Lagares has been scratched from the lineup because of a continued issue with his left thumb.
Lighter fluid heeeere! Getcher lighter fluid heeeeeeeere!!
Another blow. Mets place Juan Lagares on the DL for his left thumb injury and recall Ty Kelly from AAA Las Vegas.
Take it to the official billyshears self-immolation thread.
Zack Wheeler has experienced some elbow discomfort in his Tommy John rehab. He won't be throwing a sim inning as scheduled this week.
Let him rest, team has an ERA+ of 123, the starters have an ERA of 3.21, the problem is:
.234/.307/.408
and Wheeler ain't gonna fix that-
The Mets were hit with a pair of troubling injuries today, as Noah Syndergaard exited the game after six innings because his right elbow “flared up” (via MLB.com’s Anthony DiComo) and Yoenis Cespedes exited with a wrist injury (per ESPN New York’s Adam Rubin)
BREAKING: Mets announce they've placed Matt Harvey on the disabled list due to right shoulder discomfort. He's headed to STL for testing.
New York Mets @Mets
Matt Harvey has been placed on the 15-Day DL due to discomfort in his right shoulder. RHP Seth Lugo has been recalled from Las Vegas.
Adam Rubin @AdamRubinESPN
Matt Harvey has been placed on the DL by the Mets with discomfort in his right shoulder. He is being sent to vascular specialist Dr. Robert Thompson in St. Louis for further examination.
Adam Rubin @AdamRubinESPN
The thing that jumps right out is that's where Dillon Gee was dispatched when he had a clot in his shoulder and required surgery. We'll see.
Marc Carig @MarcCarig
Dr. Thomson in St. Louis, btw, is a vascular surgeon specializing in thoracic outlet syndrome.
Matt Harvey decided to have surgery. Noah Syndergaard left game with a trainer. Yoenis Cespedes left with a quad strain. That’s just today.
Tyler Kepner @TylerKepner
Collins insisted before the game that Syndergaard would definitely pitch in the ASG. Said he couldn't hurt himself by doing that. Well...
2010s -- We just can't beat the Nationals!
2000s -- We just can't beat the Phillies!
1990s -- We just can't beat the Braves!
1980s -- We just can't beat the Cardinals!
1970s -- We just can't beat the Pirates!
1960s -- We just can't beat... anybody!
I'm just asking.
No, that's not a flaming pitchfork.
I made a totally sweet deal on a Syndergaard rookie card today, I mean, paid a lot for it, but it seemed like a great investment given his start.
So, how'd the game go?
I suppose it didn't at least happen in like, August.
The Comeback
This was mostly prescient...
WRONG!
Wrong? deGrom missed the last month of 2016, Syndergaard missed almost all of 2017. The original post was written right after the 2015 WS loss.
1) He clearly was not talking about minor injuries like deGrom's.
2) I was joking. He was right about virtually everything.
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