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905. PreservedFish
Posted: June 28, 2019 at 02:10 PM (#5856727)
What's funny is that when this thread was bumped, it wasn't really worth bumping, because things weren't really that bad. But they've just gotten worse in the last few days.
906. Greg Pope
Posted: June 28, 2019 at 08:26 PM (#5856868)
Since then, people keep reviving whenever it's needed or appropriate.
It always makes me wonder what the algorithm is for closing threads for comments.
907. Howie Menckel
Posted: June 28, 2019 at 09:17 PM (#5856888)
as noted in the daily thread, the Mets are the first MLB team to blow multiple-run leads and lose in five consecutive games since the..... 2011 Mets.
their bullpen ERA this month is I think 8.78 - or very close to that. it's fantastic in the way that an oncoming tornado is - awesome in its power for destruction.
908. Howie Menckel
Posted: June 28, 2019 at 09:53 PM (#5856900)
good one tonight:
down 3-2, bases loaded, one out and here come franchise players McNeil and Alonso! and nothing.
next half inning, Gsellman gets 2 outs but it's first and second. pitch may or may not have grazed Riley's elbow guard. it did. bags loaded - until Camargo's 3-run double crushes the souls of the chumps at CitiField who welcomed this team home after that road trip.
909. bobm
Posted: July 01, 2019 at 01:03 PM (#5857784)
And by releasing Bobby Bo and signing the deal, the Mets freed up $6 million to sign free agent Mike Hampton, who went on to become the 2000 NLCS MVP. And when Hampton left after the Metropolitans lost to the New York Yankees in the World Series, the team was awarded the draft pick that would become team legend and former captain David Wright.
A Florida minor-league Mets affiliate’s Fourth of July fireworks went up in flames Thursday night.
The inferno broke out during the High-A St. Lucie Mets’ post-game pyrotechnics display, following a 4-1 victory over the Daytona Tortugas.
Photos posted to social media show smoke billowing from the blaze as it consumed trees beyond the outfield wall at First Data Field in Port St. Lucie.
This isn’t the first time the St. Lucie Mets have have been connected to a conflagration — a similar fire occurred after the team’s fireworks night in April 2017, burning four acres.
Tempers are flaring at Citi Field. A tumultuous Mets season took another strange twist, with general manager Brodie Van Wagenen punctuating a heated meeting with the team’s coaching staff by throwing a chair, according to club sources.
The incident occurred following Friday’s 7-2 loss to the Phillies in which closer Edwin Diaz imploded in the ninth inning, allowing four runs in his latest meltdown. An irate Van Wagenen assembled manager Mickey Callaway and the coaching staff in the coaches room immediately after the game, according to a source, and lashed out at the individuals present, bemoaning the fact Jacob deGrom’s strong performance had been wasted. Accompanying Van Wagenen at the meeting was assistant GM Allard Baird.
Worked for Billy Beane & Theo Epstein, or so the legend goes.
916. Howie Menckel
Posted: July 06, 2019 at 09:30 PM (#5859502)
Phillies scored the game-tying run in the bottom of the 7th even though the Phillie never touched the plate as he slid. Mets had wasted their challenge earlier in the game on a bang-bang play at 2nd base (which may also have screwed the Mets - but tough to overturn, and not worth a challenge).
918. Bote Man
Posted: July 30, 2019 at 04:30 PM (#5866570)
Steve Phillips @StevePhillipsGM Today is the 15-year anniversary of the infamous Scott Kazmir trade ‘tween the #Mets and #Rays. Where in the world are Victor Zambrano and Bartolome Fortunato? BTW, this was not my trade. I get blamed for it still. I was fired a year earlier. Wait, that sounds like bragging.
919. Banta
Posted: July 30, 2019 at 05:03 PM (#5866581)
Just a reminder how the Zambrano era for the Mets ended:
During a win against the Braves on May 5, Mets RHP Victor Zambrano removed himself from the game due to pain in his elbow…
…this had to be one the funniest, saddest, most frustratingly hilarious things i have ever seen, in that zambrano literally pulled himself from the game, said nothing, and just ran off the mound, down the steps of the dugout and in to the clubhouse, never speaking to a single person…
…if you were watching the game, i assume you had the same, ‘huh,’ look on your face as i did…
The Mets then placed Zambrano on the 60-day disabled list with a tear in his flexor tendon, announcing that he’d miss the remainder of the season…
He'd pitch again in the Majors but not for the Mets and never with any of the defying FIP magic he had prior (he was actually somehow an average pitcher for most of his career). Turns out he was hurt since before the Mets traded for him... Which is just the cherry on top.
I've said it before and probably in this thread, but it might be less embarrassing for the Mets if they thought they were trading for Carlos Zambrano and got the stats mixed up.
I've said it before and probably in this thread, but it might be less embarrassing for the Mets if they thought they were trading for Carlos Zambrano and got the stats mixed up.
So Dave Peterson thought he could fix Carlos Zambrano in 10 minutes? Did Carlos Zambrano even need fixing? (Answer: No, but the water cooler sure did after he was removed from a game! Hey now!)
Apparently, the fire department showed up just in time: we're only a little singed is all...
922. Howie Menckel
Posted: September 03, 2019 at 10:31 PM (#5876620)
METS FANS - ASSEMBLE!
10-4 Mets entering the bottom of the 9th, after scoring 5 in the top of the 9th - luring them into removing closer Seth Lugo after a 10-pitch lead because, geesh, they are ahead by 6 runs
Defensive substitution: Juan Lagares to center field.
Defensive substitution: Brandon Nimmo to left field.
Defensive substitution: Corey Oswalt replaces Seth Lugo at pitcher, batting 4th.
Defensive substitution: Jeff McNeil to second base.
Victor Robles singled (ground ball to SS).
Offensive substitution: Howie Kendrick pinch hitting for Javy Guerra.
Howie Kendrick flied out (fly to RF).
Trea Turner doubled (fly to RF). Victor Robles advanced to score.
Asdrubal Cabrera singled (line drive to CF). Trea Turner advanced to 3rd.
Anthony Rendon singled (ground ball to LF). Trea Turner advanced to score. Asdrubal Cabrera advanced to 2nd.
Defensive substitution: Luis Avilan replaces Corey Oswalt at pitcher, batting 4th.
Juan Soto singled (ground ball to RF). Asdrubal Cabrera advanced to 3rd. Anthony Rendon advanced to 2nd.
Offensive substitution: Ryan Zimmerman pinch hitting for Matt Adams.
Defensive substitution: Edwin Diaz replaces Luis Avilan at pitcher, batting 4th.
Ryan Zimmerman doubled (fly to RF). Asdrubal Cabrera advanced to score. Anthony Rendon advanced to score. Juan Soto advanced to 3rd.
Offensive substitution: Michael A. Taylor pinch running for Ryan Zimmerman.
Kurt Suzuki homered (fly to LF). Juan Soto advanced to score. Michael A. Taylor advanced to score.
This example was a little later in the season, but reminds me of the Benitez/Franco special from 9-29-2001.
924. Howie Menckel
Posted: September 03, 2019 at 11:36 PM (#5876630)
I am NOT making this up:
the Mets' Syracuse affiliate tonight scored a run in the top of the 7th to grab a 7-1 lead. good thing, as they allowed the Yankees' Scranton-Wilkes-Barre affiliate to score 5 in the bottom of the 7th.
the "Mets" then scored 6 in the top of the 8th to make it a 13-6 laugher.
well, until the "Yankees" scored 8 in the bottom of the 8th in an eventual 14-13 win.
I think the AAA Mets 'pen is ready for The Show!
925. Lassus
Posted: September 04, 2019 at 08:45 AM (#5876652)
Turned off the game after Alonso’s home run.
Likewise. Saw a Facebook post like 2 hours later from JE, who was at the game.
926. PreservedFish
Posted: September 04, 2019 at 09:04 AM (#5876655)
I watched the whole thing and had barely any reaction. I think I'm 100% numbed at this point. If Alonso and DeGrom were to collide and experience career-ending injuries, I'd just shrug and flip the channel.
Got in the shower during the middle of the 9th, ready to go to bed happy. Came out to Ron and Gary basically saying \"#### it, this team is garbage". I could tell by the tone of their voice what happened way before they said Edwin Diaz was in the game.
Now watch: the Mets, with 24 games left counting today, will start a 14-game winning streak this afternoon -- a franchise record, of course -- and then go 4-6 in their final 10, having them finish with 88 wins and miss the playoffs by 1 game, because that's so Mets, so 2019.
I didn't watch the game but the season has been over since they went 0-6 against the Braves and Cubs. It hasn't been a terrible year. Alonso and McNeil look like they are going to be very good players and Rosario is having a very nice second half. With Conforto and Nimmo, that could be a decent nucleus.
The bullpen sucks, and that is sometimes a thing that happens.
933. Howie Menckel
Posted: September 04, 2019 at 11:26 AM (#5876717)
backpage tabloid headlines today
NY POST
WORST.
LOSS.
EVER!
Diaz & Co. do what no other Mets team has done: blow 6-run lead in 9th
...............
NY DAILY NEWS
NATIONAL
DISGRACE!
Callaway turns to Diaz AGAIN in big spot and AGAIN it's a disaster as Mets blow 6-run lead in 9th in NL crusher
["AGAIN" both times in red - a nice touch]
934. Lassus
Posted: September 04, 2019 at 01:51 PM (#5876754)
We can still go 24-0, haters.
935. Howie Menckel
Posted: September 04, 2019 at 02:16 PM (#5876762)
The bullpen sucks, and that is sometimes a thing that happens.
The thing is, we knew after last season that the bullpen was the team's biggest weakness. The fact that it's arguably worse this year doesn't reflect well on the front office even if nobody foresaw Diaz being this bad.
I give Brody credit for some of his moves but it's hard to avoid how disastrous the Cano/Diaz trade was. We basically got an expensive replacement-level 2B, and a closer who's blown enough leads/ties to be the difference between making the playoffs and not. Plus we gave up a 19-yo CFer who's hitting .291/.364/.540 in the minors this year when CF is the biggest weakness in our lineup. (I'm not even mentioning Dunn or Swarzak.)
937. Lassus
Posted: September 04, 2019 at 02:41 PM (#5876766)
who's "WE," pretty boy?
:)
I will repeat: I am happy to use "we" when talking about the Mets, and I welcome anyone to fight me on said practice.
938. Howie Menckel
Posted: September 04, 2019 at 02:54 PM (#5876769)
if the Mets play a game on Facebook, does it count?
they lead the Nats, 6-1 in the 6th - not enough, obviously
Lagares, Conforto, and ROBINSON CANO homered so far.
"I am happy to use "we" when talking about the Mets, and I welcome anyone to fight me on said practice."
my line was about other Mets fans presumably disowning them - not about your own use of the word 'we.'
939. Lassus
Posted: September 04, 2019 at 03:07 PM (#5876774)
Ah. Heh.
940. Howie Menckel
Posted: September 04, 2019 at 03:14 PM (#5876780)
7-1. still not enough.
941. Gonfalon Bubble
Posted: September 04, 2019 at 05:34 PM (#5876820)
Three full seasons have elapsed since Scott Kazmir pitched in a Major League game, but the veteran left-hander is set to launch another comeback attempt at 36 years of age. Kazmir recently tweeted a video of himself throwing in a bullpen session, and the former Rays, Indians, Angels, A’s and Dodgers southpaw confirmed to Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times that he hopes to return to the big leagues in 2020.
Kazmir, who’s open to a minor league contract and a chance to prove himself in Spring Training (as he’d need to be after such a lengthy absence), tells Topkin he’s still in the process of rebuilding his arm strength and fastball velocity. He’s worked out with Driveline this winter and recently topped out at 90.9 mph in a bullpen session. That’s already a far sight higher than the 86 mph at which his heater sat when he first began throwing with an eye toward a big league return. Kazmir’s fastball sat at 91.4 mph in his final season with the Dodgers in 2016, so he’s not quite yet even topping out at his previous fastball average. However, he also has nearly two months before the season would begin.
943. Banta
Posted: January 29, 2020 at 06:22 PM (#5920343)
All for a Kazmir signing. It'll be better than when the Mets sign a fresh-off-of-being-cromulent-in-Japan Matt Harvey in 2027.
Feel like the whole Beltran manager semi-debacle deserves a mention in this thread. Having to fire your manager before his first game for reasons that you probably could have anticipated isn't quite suicide material, but it is another papercut in the quest to death by a 1,000 of them.
944. bobm
Posted: February 04, 2020 at 06:07 PM (#5921637)
NEW YORK (AP) — Mets outfielder Michael Conforto was scheduled to be examined by a doctor in New York after tweaking his side while making a catch in a recent spring training game.
The slugger had an MRI in Florida but left camp and was sent to New York on Monday night to meet with the team's medical director, Dr. David Altchek, for further evaluation, the Mets said.
He has one more arb year in 2021 before becoming a free agent. Assuming he's not back on the field until mid-2021, he'll probably have to wait another year for the big free agent deal that people were anticipating. Not sure if that makes him more or less likely to stay in NY - probably a bit more likely for at least one extra year. But it really depends on how he performs when he returns in 2021.
950. Howie Menckel
Posted: March 24, 2020 at 06:16 PM (#5933198)
Bringing It All Back Home - Bob Dylan Style
8. Joshemy Posted: July 31, 2004 at 12:03 AM (#766311)
This thread sucks. The whole thing sucks.
Assuming he's not back on the field until mid-2021, he'll probably have to wait another year for the big free agent deal that people were anticipating.
I wonder about that. A few months of ‘the old Syndergaard’ might make quite an impression, and waiting longer still carries some risk for player and team. Seems likely this will cost Syndergaard some money if and when he signs a long-term deal, but how much?
It wouldn’t surprise me if he comes back, has a good half season and signs a 3-year deal. But whatever he does should be in the Mets’ price range at that point, I would think.
Anyway at this point I just hope for a successful surgery and a smooth recovery.
953. Howie Menckel
Posted: April 04, 2020 at 06:37 PM (#5936554)
SNY
@SNYtv
The virtual Mets just lost on a walk-off home run by Juan Soto
.................
[this feels so real! also, SNY says virtual Mets are now 1-7 in this virtual season]
954. Howie Menckel
Posted: July 15, 2020 at 12:50 AM (#5962970)
neither death - nor this thread - takes a holiday
07.14... Jacob deGrom left an intrasquad appearance after one inning Tuesday due to back tightness.
Spin: The Mets have yet to provide further information on deGrom's status. He'll be reevaluated on Wednesday. The back-to-back NL Cy Young Award winner is currently lined up to start on Opening Day, July 24 against the Braves, but he may not be stretched out enough, even if this issue proves to be minor.
955. Lassus
Posted: July 23, 2020 at 08:46 AM (#5964885)
Stroman, who will be a free agent at the end of the season, was hit in the calf with a line drive during an intrasquad game on Friday, manager Luis Rojas said. But the former Patchogue-Medford star shook it off and kept pitching.
In an abbreviated 60-game season which begins Friday, the worst-case scenario is Stroman has pitched his last game for Mets, but for now the team says the right-hander is “week to week.”
956. Howie Menckel
Posted: July 25, 2020 at 07:46 PM (#5965721)
last season, Edwin Diaz did not even once have saves on back-to-back days.
in fact, when pitching on a second day in 2019, he allowed 15 ER in 10 IP.
the Mets, seizing upon this info, today figured "no time like the present!"
he did get the first 2 outs in a 1-run game, but then he went 3-2 on Ozuna to allow a self-immolation-inducing game-tying HR to the opposite field. #downtothefinalstrike
Braves won, 5-3, in 10 innings.
Diaz, after breaking an MLB record last season by ALLOWING 15 HOME RUNS IN THE NINTH INNING OF GAMES, puts his first notch on the 2020 bedpost.
In the shortened 60-game season, the self-immolation threshold is a lot lower, eh?
958. Adam Starblind
Posted: July 26, 2020 at 10:09 AM (#5965784)
[957] Agreed that this is diluting the thread, though the fact that we gave up Kelenic for this guy ups the ante somewhat. Anyway, while we are on this topic:
Last season in the 7th, 8th, and 10th, Diaz faced 56 batters, allowed 6 hits, 4 walks, struck out 28, and allowed no homers. In the 9th inning, he allowed a shocking 15 homers, for a .600 SLG against.
It is becoming abundantly clear that Diaz is a very talented pitcher who does not have the mental makeup to pitch in the 9th inning. We all know it's not necessarily the most important inning, but closers don't. He needs to be moved into a setup role. Betances or Lugo ought to be perfectly capable of handling the closer role. Who knows, maybe Familia will bounce back.
This is getting silly.
959. JJ1986
Posted: August 14, 2020 at 04:11 PM (#5969652)
#### everything
960. Howie Menckel
Posted: August 14, 2020 at 06:30 PM (#5969684)
deGrom claims he'll only miss this one start, while McNeil claims his knee is better and he'll avoid IL
but yes, self-immolation thresholds are at 2.7x normal this season
961. Howie Menckel
Posted: August 14, 2020 at 06:31 PM (#5969685)
2.7x post
962. Howie Menckel
Posted: May 04, 2021 at 05:35 PM (#6016943)
SELF-IMMOLATORS, ASSEMBLE!
Jeff Passan
@JeffPassan
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34m
Jacob deGrom won’t make his scheduled start tonight, per source. Unclear whether this is an issue that’s likely to linger. Mets will be addressing it later.
Jeff Passan
@JeffPassan
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30m
Jacob deGrom’s injury, deemed by one source as right-side tightness, isn’t believed to be serious. Another source said the expectation is deGrom will miss only one start. Still, anything having to do with deGrom’s health is taken extraordinarily seriously — and understandably so.
He had an MRI.. They are saying it is an inflamed right lat muscle.
I recall that Syndergaard missed a bunch of time with a lat tear in 2017, so the Mets are probably right to be cautious here.
965. Lassus
Posted: July 17, 2021 at 06:51 PM (#6029420)
DeGrom with more forearm tightness, won't start again until its gone.
Lindor sidelined with oblique strain.
966. Howie Menckel
Posted: July 17, 2021 at 07:00 PM (#6029421)
I debated reactivating this thread, but personally I needed one more bit of disastrous news (fwiw Lindor says he is "not day to day, but week to week"). ymmv
967. Howie Menckel
Posted: July 17, 2021 at 11:01 PM (#6029453)
Mets just had a 6-0 lead through 7 innings, and a 7-5 lead with 2 outs in the 9th and the bases loaded.
Pirates C Stallings then hits a liner to LF, and EDiaz points upward as if the game is over.
well, he was right - the ball scurried just down the line and just over the fence.
ballgame over. Pirates win, 9-7.
SELF-IMMOLATORS, ASSEMBLE!
968. Adam Starblind
Posted: July 18, 2021 at 08:45 AM (#6029491)
Is forearm tightness ever just forearm tightness? #TommyJohn
969. Ron J
Posted: July 18, 2021 at 09:01 AM (#6029492)
#968 That's the thing. Pitching at the major league level is asking the arm to do things its really not designed for. All pitchers have moments where the arm just doesn't feel right. Jim Bouton talked about getting twinges in restaurants and feeling compelled to do an arm circle to check that nothing was wrong. (and trying to pass it off as trying to get the waiter's attention. Pitchers don't seem comfortable saying, sorry my arm felt funny. Had to check.)
970. Adam Starblind
Posted: July 18, 2021 at 12:05 PM (#6029499)
Jake’s Tommy John surgery was eleven years ago. A few years ago some study said TJS lasts about eight years.
971. JJ1986
Posted: July 18, 2021 at 12:34 PM (#6029504)
Is it wrong that I'm more upset about the two blown games (yesterday and last Sunday's 5-0 lead) than about the injuries? The team's already been so banged up (including Jake) that I just expect that to continue.
If Diaz reverts to 2019 form, ugh. They can still win the division if they figure out a decent alternative soon enough, but that was such an ugly, stressful season.
973. Howie Menckel
Posted: July 18, 2021 at 02:40 PM (#6029509)
first inning for the Mets' aptly-named Taijaun Walker
out
double
single
walk
double
walk
walk
single
walk (of the pitcher)
and Walker walks off, down 6-0 in the first inning
This could be an opportunity to right the wrong, douse the flames, end the curse, and bring closure to the thread - SCOTT KAZMIR INTENDS TO PITCH IN 2022:
Scott Kazmir completed an incredible comeback effort in May, reaching the big leagues for the first time in five years. The veteran bounced on and off the Giants’ roster a couple times, ultimately making five MLB appearances and starting twelve times with Triple-A Sacramento.
Kazmir finished the season on the injured list after straining his right hamstring during the final week of the regular season. The 37-year-old (38 in January) tells Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle that he’s returned to full health a little less than a month later. Kazmir adds that he intends to continue pitching next season, assuming he receives interest from teams.
A reparations signing?
977. Adam Starblind
Posted: October 28, 2021 at 10:38 AM (#6049568)
I'm for it. Shades of the 2003 David Cone comeback.
979. Howie Menckel
Posted: April 02, 2022 at 01:54 PM (#6070098)
04.02... Max Scherzer told reporters Saturday that he's been dealing with right hamstring tightness.
Spin: Scherzer spoke to reporters Saturday shortly after being scratched from a scheduled minor league intrasquad start and clarified that he expects to return to the mound "pretty quickly" and doesn't view it as a long term issue. He declined to set an exact timetable for his return and it's too soon to determine whether he'll be ready for the start of the regular season. The 37-year-old throwback workhorse is the most logical choice to replace an injured Jacob deGrom and take the ball for the Mets in Thursday's season opener against the Nationals. However, it's unclear whether he'll be ready to go. There should be additional updates on his status in the coming days.
981. Howie Menckel
Posted: April 02, 2022 at 03:39 PM (#6070107)
actually, Buck says "Bullpen Game" may start on Opening Day - not kidding.
that's not even a little bit depressing.
:(
982. Howie Menckel
Posted: May 19, 2022 at 02:38 PM (#6077491)
Anthony Rieber
@AnthonyRieber
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1m
Mets announce moderate to high grade oblique strain for Max Scherzer, will be out 6-8 weeks
983. KronicFatigue
Posted: August 16, 2022 at 09:23 PM (#6091948)
2 infielders and 2 SP get injured in a week, and we're about to lose our 2nd game in a row to the Braves, last night being 13-1. Time to bump up this thread.
984. Lassus
Posted: September 07, 2022 at 11:47 AM (#6095017)
The New York Mets on Wednesday told reporters that right-hander Max Scherzer is going on the 15-day injured list. Scherzer exited his last start Saturday with what was described as fatigue in his left side. Earlier this season, Scherzer missed almost two months because of an oblique strain in that same left side.
I was at the game last night. For the first 6 innings it definitely felt like self-immolation time...and then the Braves lost in extras, the Mets came back to win in extras, and it was awesome. Can't believe the Marlins walked McNeil to get to Escobar after the night he was having.
988. KronicFatigue
Posted: September 29, 2022 at 04:24 PM (#6098370)
Mcneil popping out with the bases loaded and one out felt like the death blow. It's amazing how different today would feel if the Mets had lost and Braves had won. Like Lebron said, two points ain't two points.
990. Howie Menckel
Posted: March 15, 2023 at 10:40 PM (#6120509)
appropriate thread.
"Díaz was helped off the field and put into a wheelchair, then rolled down a concourse beneath the stands. His brother, Reds relief pitcher Alexis, could be seen crying, his arm around one of his teammates."
the Mets have former closers Robertson and Ottavino, but this is no time for robotic logic, now is it?
991. reech
Posted: March 15, 2023 at 10:45 PM (#6120511)
I can't believe this sh!t.
Mets gotta always Mets.
992. Howie Menckel
Posted: March 30, 2023 at 01:55 PM (#6121810)
"The Mets announced that they will place right-hander Justin Verlander on the 15-day injured list with a “low-grade teres major strain.
"According to the team, Verlander “will continue throwing at moderate intensity” and be reevaluated in a week. They’ll provide a further update at that time."
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It always makes me wonder what the algorithm is for closing threads for comments.
their bullpen ERA this month is I think 8.78 - or very close to that. it's fantastic in the way that an oncoming tornado is - awesome in its power for destruction.
down 3-2, bases loaded, one out and here come franchise players McNeil and Alonso! and nothing.
next half inning, Gsellman gets 2 outs but it's first and second. pitch may or may not have grazed Riley's elbow guard. it did. bags loaded - until Camargo's 3-run double crushes the souls of the chumps at CitiField who welcomed this team home after that road trip.
Checking...checking...looking...looking...checking...Ah! Here it is.
Aaaaannnd...let's see...
Nope. Never gets old.
not the ones that burst in the air - that's tomorrow night (on Stranger Things Night).
this was Edwin Diaz on in the 9th of a 2-2 game. yada yada yada, Mets lost 7-2.
and with their bullpen, it never matters anyway.
Today is the 15-year anniversary of the infamous Scott Kazmir trade ‘tween the #Mets and #Rays. Where in the world are Victor Zambrano and Bartolome Fortunato? BTW, this was not my trade. I get blamed for it still. I was fired a year earlier. Wait, that sounds like bragging.
link
He'd pitch again in the Majors but not for the Mets and never with any of the defying FIP magic he had prior (he was actually somehow an average pitcher for most of his career). Turns out he was hurt since before the Mets traded for him... Which is just the cherry on top.
I've said it before and probably in this thread, but it might be less embarrassing for the Mets if they thought they were trading for Carlos Zambrano and got the stats mixed up.
So Dave Peterson thought he could fix Carlos Zambrano in 10 minutes? Did Carlos Zambrano even need fixing? (Answer: No, but the water cooler sure did after he was removed from a game! Hey now!)
METS FANS - ASSEMBLE!
10-4 Mets entering the bottom of the 9th, after scoring 5 in the top of the 9th - luring them into removing closer Seth Lugo after a 10-pitch lead because, geesh, they are ahead by 6 runs
Defensive substitution: Juan Lagares to center field.
Defensive substitution: Brandon Nimmo to left field.
Defensive substitution: Corey Oswalt replaces Seth Lugo at pitcher, batting 4th.
Defensive substitution: Jeff McNeil to second base.
Victor Robles singled (ground ball to SS).
Offensive substitution: Howie Kendrick pinch hitting for Javy Guerra.
Howie Kendrick flied out (fly to RF).
Trea Turner doubled (fly to RF). Victor Robles advanced to score.
Asdrubal Cabrera singled (line drive to CF). Trea Turner advanced to 3rd.
Anthony Rendon singled (ground ball to LF). Trea Turner advanced to score. Asdrubal Cabrera advanced to 2nd.
Defensive substitution: Luis Avilan replaces Corey Oswalt at pitcher, batting 4th.
Juan Soto singled (ground ball to RF). Asdrubal Cabrera advanced to 3rd. Anthony Rendon advanced to 2nd.
Offensive substitution: Ryan Zimmerman pinch hitting for Matt Adams.
Defensive substitution: Edwin Diaz replaces Luis Avilan at pitcher, batting 4th.
Ryan Zimmerman doubled (fly to RF). Asdrubal Cabrera advanced to score. Anthony Rendon advanced to score. Juan Soto advanced to 3rd.
Offensive substitution: Michael A. Taylor pinch running for Ryan Zimmerman.
Kurt Suzuki homered (fly to LF). Juan Soto advanced to score. Michael A. Taylor advanced to score.
11-10 final
This example was a little later in the season, but reminds me of the Benitez/Franco special from 9-29-2001.
the Mets' Syracuse affiliate tonight scored a run in the top of the 7th to grab a 7-1 lead. good thing, as they allowed the Yankees' Scranton-Wilkes-Barre affiliate to score 5 in the bottom of the 7th.
the "Mets" then scored 6 in the top of the 8th to make it a 13-6 laugher.
well, until the "Yankees" scored 8 in the bottom of the 8th in an eventual 14-13 win.
I think the AAA Mets 'pen is ready for The Show!
Likewise. Saw a Facebook post like 2 hours later from JE, who was at the game.
I fell asleep during the commercial break before the bottom of the 9th. Woke up during the post-game highlights. Ugh.
I mean, why the heck did I wonder if they could protect a 6-run lead?
Somewhere, Ike Davis weeps.
The bullpen sucks, and that is sometimes a thing that happens.
NY POST
WORST.
LOSS.
EVER!
Diaz & Co. do what no other Mets team has done: blow 6-run lead in 9th
...............
NY DAILY NEWS
NATIONAL
DISGRACE!
Callaway turns to Diaz AGAIN in big spot and AGAIN it's a disaster as Mets blow 6-run lead in 9th in NL crusher
["AGAIN" both times in red - a nice touch]
:)
The thing is, we knew after last season that the bullpen was the team's biggest weakness. The fact that it's arguably worse this year doesn't reflect well on the front office even if nobody foresaw Diaz being this bad.
I give Brody credit for some of his moves but it's hard to avoid how disastrous the Cano/Diaz trade was. We basically got an expensive replacement-level 2B, and a closer who's blown enough leads/ties to be the difference between making the playoffs and not. Plus we gave up a 19-yo CFer who's hitting .291/.364/.540 in the minors this year when CF is the biggest weakness in our lineup. (I'm not even mentioning Dunn or Swarzak.)
:)
I will repeat: I am happy to use "we" when talking about the Mets, and I welcome anyone to fight me on said practice.
they lead the Nats, 6-1 in the 6th - not enough, obviously
Lagares, Conforto, and ROBINSON CANO homered so far.
"I am happy to use "we" when talking about the Mets, and I welcome anyone to fight me on said practice."
my line was about other Mets fans presumably disowning them - not about your own use of the word 'we.'
Feel like the whole Beltran manager semi-debacle deserves a mention in this thread. Having to fire your manager before his first game for reasons that you probably could have anticipated isn't quite suicide material, but it is another papercut in the quest to death by a 1,000 of them.
Well, that sucks.
He has one more arb year in 2021 before becoming a free agent. Assuming he's not back on the field until mid-2021, he'll probably have to wait another year for the big free agent deal that people were anticipating. Not sure if that makes him more or less likely to stay in NY - probably a bit more likely for at least one extra year. But it really depends on how he performs when he returns in 2021.
8. Joshemy Posted: July 31, 2004 at 12:03 AM (#766311)
This thread sucks. The whole thing sucks.
It wouldn’t surprise me if he comes back, has a good half season and signs a 3-year deal. But whatever he does should be in the Mets’ price range at that point, I would think.
Anyway at this point I just hope for a successful surgery and a smooth recovery.
@SNYtv
The virtual Mets just lost on a walk-off home run by Juan Soto
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[this feels so real! also, SNY says virtual Mets are now 1-7 in this virtual season]
07.14... Jacob deGrom left an intrasquad appearance after one inning Tuesday due to back tightness.
Spin: The Mets have yet to provide further information on deGrom's status. He'll be reevaluated on Wednesday. The back-to-back NL Cy Young Award winner is currently lined up to start on Opening Day, July 24 against the Braves, but he may not be stretched out enough, even if this issue proves to be minor.
in fact, when pitching on a second day in 2019, he allowed 15 ER in 10 IP.
the Mets, seizing upon this info, today figured "no time like the present!"
he did get the first 2 outs in a 1-run game, but then he went 3-2 on Ozuna to allow a self-immolation-inducing game-tying HR to the opposite field. #downtothefinalstrike
Braves won, 5-3, in 10 innings.
Diaz, after breaking an MLB record last season by ALLOWING 15 HOME RUNS IN THE NINTH INNING OF GAMES, puts his first notch on the 2020 bedpost.
Last season in the 7th, 8th, and 10th, Diaz faced 56 batters, allowed 6 hits, 4 walks, struck out 28, and allowed no homers. In the 9th inning, he allowed a shocking 15 homers, for a .600 SLG against.
It is becoming abundantly clear that Diaz is a very talented pitcher who does not have the mental makeup to pitch in the 9th inning. We all know it's not necessarily the most important inning, but closers don't. He needs to be moved into a setup role. Betances or Lugo ought to be perfectly capable of handling the closer role. Who knows, maybe Familia will bounce back.
This is getting silly.
but yes, self-immolation thresholds are at 2.7x normal this season
Jeff Passan
@JeffPassan
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Jacob deGrom won’t make his scheduled start tonight, per source. Unclear whether this is an issue that’s likely to linger. Mets will be addressing it later.
Jeff Passan
@JeffPassan
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Jacob deGrom’s injury, deemed by one source as right-side tightness, isn’t believed to be serious. Another source said the expectation is deGrom will miss only one start. Still, anything having to do with deGrom’s health is taken extraordinarily seriously — and understandably so.
I recall that Syndergaard missed a bunch of time with a lat tear in 2017, so the Mets are probably right to be cautious here.
Lindor sidelined with oblique strain.
Pirates C Stallings then hits a liner to LF, and EDiaz points upward as if the game is over.
well, he was right - the ball scurried just down the line and just over the fence.
ballgame over. Pirates win, 9-7.
SELF-IMMOLATORS, ASSEMBLE!
out
double
single
walk
double
walk
walk
single
walk (of the pitcher)
and Walker walks off, down 6-0 in the first inning
Mets: Hold my beer (and car keys)
Spin: Scherzer spoke to reporters Saturday shortly after being scratched from a scheduled minor league intrasquad start and clarified that he expects to return to the mound "pretty quickly" and doesn't view it as a long term issue. He declined to set an exact timetable for his return and it's too soon to determine whether he'll be ready for the start of the regular season. The 37-year-old throwback workhorse is the most logical choice to replace an injured Jacob deGrom and take the ball for the Mets in Thursday's season opener against the Nationals. However, it's unclear whether he'll be ready to go. There should be additional updates on his status in the coming days.
that's not even a little bit depressing.
:(
@AnthonyRieber
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Mets announce moderate to high grade oblique strain for Max Scherzer, will be out 6-8 weeks
I was at the game last night. For the first 6 innings it definitely felt like self-immolation time...and then the Braves lost in extras, the Mets came back to win in extras, and it was awesome. Can't believe the Marlins walked McNeil to get to Escobar after the night he was having.
Edwin Diaz injured during World Baseball Classic celebration, has to be carried off field...
"Díaz was helped off the field and put into a wheelchair, then rolled down a concourse beneath the stands. His brother, Reds relief pitcher Alexis, could be seen crying, his arm around one of his teammates."
the Mets have former closers Robertson and Ottavino, but this is no time for robotic logic, now is it?
Mets gotta always Mets.
"According to the team, Verlander “will continue throwing at moderate intensity” and be reevaluated in a week. They’ll provide a further update at that time."
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