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Tuesday, May 12, 2020

These are MLB’s greatest same-named doppelgangers

Frank Thomas


Forget the Big Hurt, this is the Big Donkey. Were it not for the White Sox slugger’s emergence as an absolute superstar, one who is still hawking countless products today, we’d probably remember this Thomas a little more.

After all, this Thomas—an outfielder and first baseman who played from 1951-66—hit 25 or more home runs six times and was elected to three All-Star Games. He even claimed ownership of the Mets’ single-season home run record until Dave Kingman came along and smashed 36 home runs in 1975.

All this for a player who, were it not for the siren’s call of baseball, was set to become a priest.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 12, 2020 at 11:27 AM | 92 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: May 13, 2020 at 02:22 PM (#5950126)
no Bob Miller(s)?
   2. Jaack Posted: May 13, 2020 at 02:39 PM (#5950134)
Article mainly focuses on pairs where one guy is significantly better than the others - Pedro Martinez and Joe Morgan and the like.

The two Georges Burns were both pretty good. The Giants outfielder was the better of the two, but not by a landslide.

The Dutches Leonard were also both good pitchers, with the second of the two being very good.

The you have the four Bobs Johnson, although the 30s outfielder is the only impressive one. But you have them nicely spread out across the diamond - one OF, one IF, one catcher, ad one pitcher.

Of course, the only true doppelgangers are the Alexes Gonzalez, who are truly indistingiushable.
   3. Itchy Row Posted: May 13, 2020 at 02:48 PM (#5950137)
You’re searching for a particular superstar player, or think you're about to snag a killer deal on a rookie card and you spot it: It's a baseball doppelganger, or, to put it in layman's terms, you've found a far-less-famous big leaguer who just happens to share his name with a star.
I think I had the Big Hurt's rookie card, but it would be cooler to have the lesser Frank Thomas's instead.

I did have the rookie cards of both Ken Griffeys. I don't think any of them are worth anything, even if they're still around somewhere.
   4. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 13, 2020 at 02:57 PM (#5950142)
I think the Upper Deck Griffey rookie is still worth something if and only if it’s been certified in ultrasuperduperextraspecial mint-plus-plus condition.
   5. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 13, 2020 at 03:45 PM (#5950155)
The Royals had Billy Buckner and Bill Buckner, Bill Butler and Billy Butler, but not at the same time.

I always liked the story of how Adam Eaton got the paycheck meant for the other Adam Eaton.


Of course, the only true doppelgangers are the Alexes Gonzalez, who are truly indistinguishable.


I still confuse Javy Guerra and Javy Guerra, and even confuse them with Junior Guerra. They all play for the Brewers, right?
   6. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: May 13, 2020 at 03:55 PM (#5950159)
I had completely forgotten about the other Pedro Martinez. He was good!

Also I didn't realize the original Frank Thomas spent most of his career with the Pirates. I thought he was a Met. He was, for a little while. But has legendary status as the only player to have a good season with the famed 1962 mega-losers. (they had both Bob Millers, which did them little good)
   7. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: May 13, 2020 at 03:59 PM (#5950160)

The Mets once had two Bobby Joneses on their pitching staff at the same time. But they were pretty hard to confuse -- there was Bobby J Jones, the righty starter, and Bobby M Jones, the lefty reliever. The former happened to be white while the latter was black, as well.

Neither was a HOFer, but Bobby J was an All-Star who threw a one-hitter to advance the Mets into the 2000 NLCS.

Bobby Jones is a pretty common name, but I find it interesting that certain names never show up in MLB history, and then you have two playing at the same time. Ryan Braun, for example. Jeff D'Amico was probably the weirdest one.
   8. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 13, 2020 at 04:10 PM (#5950162)
The only two Jeff Robinsons in MLB history overlapped for almost the entirety of both their careers. Of course, Jeff Robinson in't exactly an unusual name.
   9. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: May 13, 2020 at 04:14 PM (#5950165)
I looked for a canonical list of MLB players with the same name. Apparently in the last decade there have been two unrelated players named Kyle Waldrop. I didn't even know there was one.

Michael A. Taylor on the Nationals still goes by Michael A. Taylor although the other Michael Taylor retired 5 years ago after a total of 37 games in the majors. I guess they are more likely to be confused with each other than the Adams Eaton or Bobbys Jones, and Michael A. Taylor sounds a little cooler.
   10. bachslunch Posted: May 13, 2020 at 04:15 PM (#5950166)
There were two players named Ken Hunt, one a Reds pitcher and the other an Angels outfielder, who had by far their best seasons coincide in 1961. In the former’s case, it was his only season in the majors.

We also had a thread here recently about the two NL Hal Smith catchers, one a Pirate and the other a Cardinal, from the late 1950s.
   11. Howie Menckel Posted: May 13, 2020 at 04:29 PM (#5950172)
there were THREE NL pitchers named Bob Miller in the late 1950s - but never in the same year.

two of the Bob Millers pitched for the 1962 Mets - because why wouldn't they?

one went 2-2 and the other was 1-12. the latter Bob pitched in the 1965, 1966, and 1971 World Series as well as the 1969 ALCS and the 1972 NLCS.
   12. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: May 13, 2020 at 05:14 PM (#5950189)
It would be rather difficult to confuse the two Chris Youngs — but you'd sometimes have to read down into an article to figure out which one it was about. (Not, obviously, game stories.) There were the two Greg Olsons, except one was a Gregg.

One year the Orioles has two Michael Anthony Smiths in their organization. Ended up being nicknamed Texas Mike Smith and Mississippi Mike Smith, because what else are you going to do? I believe they ended up rooming together at AAA.
   13. The Mighty Quintana Posted: May 13, 2020 at 05:33 PM (#5950192)
No mention of the two William Wilsons whose careers overlapped in the 70's and 80's? Bill James wrote an entertaining chapter in one of the abstracts about them...
   14. Itchy Row Posted: May 13, 2020 at 05:40 PM (#5950197)
It not the same thing, but Delino DeShields Jr. and Eric Young Jr. are the most similar batter to each other and Delino Sr. and EY Sr. are in the top five for each other.

Tony Gwynn Jr. is in the top ten for Young Jr, but none of them are similar to Gwynn Sr.
   15. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: May 13, 2020 at 06:09 PM (#5950206)
I sense a pattern. When you're undersized and have no power, it helps to have connections to stand out from the crowd.

Delino DeShields Jr.
5'9", career .246/.326/.342
106 steals in 539 games
5.3 WAR

Eric Young Jr.
5'10", career .245/.312/.332
162 steals in 651 games
1.2 WAR

Tony Gwynn Jr.
6'0", career .238/.309/.310
80 steals in 685 games
5.1 WAR

Someone who probably didn't need connections:

Dee Gordon
5'11", career .288/320/.363
330 steals in 969 games
12.5 WAR
   16. Itchy Row Posted: May 13, 2020 at 06:25 PM (#5950210)
Sandy Alomar Jr. inherited his dad's baseball value genes (13.7 WAR in 4865 PA for son and 10.5 WAR in 5160 PA for dad) while Roberto inherited dad's little-ish second baseman genes.

I guess Roberto was 6 feet tall. I would have guessed he was shorter than that.
   17. Random Transaction Generator Posted: May 13, 2020 at 06:25 PM (#5950211)
So Javier (Javy) Lopez (the catcher) and Javier Lopez (the pitcher) both played for the 2006 Boston Red Sox.

The pitcher made his first appearance for the Red Sox mid-June, while the catcher didn't arrive until August. Except, the moment the catcher arrived, the pitcher was sent down/injured almost immediately and didn't appear for most of August.

The pitcher returned to throw for the Red Sox on August 20th, but the catcher did not play that game. The pitcher's next appearance was September 4th, but by then the catcher's last appearance for the team was September 1st (and released September 8th).

They never had a chance to form a Javier Lopez battery.


   18. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 13, 2020 at 06:27 PM (#5950212)
The pitcher made his first appearance for the Red Sox mid-June, while the catcher didn't arrive until August. Except, the moment the catcher arrived, the pitcher was sent down/injured almost immediately and didn't appear for most of August.

The pitcher returned to throw for the Red Sox on August 20th, but the catcher did not play that game. The pitcher's next appearance was September 4th, but by then the catcher's last appearance for the team was September 1st (and released September 8th).
The law of conservation of Javier Lopezes.
   19. Sweatpants Posted: May 13, 2020 at 06:45 PM (#5950218)
The Dutches Leonard were also both good pitchers, with the second of the two being very good.
And the first holding the single-season record for ERA. This one comes with an asterisk, though, as the second was nicknamed Dutch because of the first.

MLB has had only two Sam Joneses in its history, but both were very good pitchers.
   20. Ron J Posted: May 13, 2020 at 06:53 PM (#5950220)
+1 for #18.
   21. Walt Davis Posted: May 13, 2020 at 07:03 PM (#5950225)
I assume mentioned in the article but the Ryans Braun overlapped. There were two Bob Gibsons (not overlapping) and two Billy Williamses (overlapping). The latter Bob Gibson lasted longer than I realized.

But agreed, the Jeff D'Amicos kinda take the cake. I mean why is even one d'Amico anywhere in the world carrying the name Jeff? To have two and them both end up in the majors at the same time -- unbelievable.

I think about this occasionally. I'm pretty sure I've never met a Trout but three in the majors and all three pretty good. To my knowledge, there have never been any other Trouts of note. The only other Trout I can name is the fictional Kilgore.

Searching the other -refs, there's been one Trout in the NFL, one in college football (in 2019), none in pro or college basketball, none in hockey, none in soccer. The NFL Trout was David Trout, a kicker. He played 16 games for the Steelers in 81, going just 12 for 17 in FGs and what seems a woeful 38 for 46 on XPs. He came back for 3 games in 1987 -- I assume they were desperate and maybe he still lived in Pitt -- going 0 for 2 in FGs but a solid 10-10 in XPs.
   22. Random Transaction Generator Posted: May 13, 2020 at 07:11 PM (#5950229)
All the juniors reminds me that Pete Rose Jr. played a handful of games for the Reds.
   23. Jaack Posted: May 13, 2020 at 07:15 PM (#5950231)
I think the first name Robin has a pretty impressive record in baseball. Out of four players named Robin, two are Hall of Famers, one is pretty close, and Robin Jennings played baseball too.

Robin Trout would surely be the greatest player in baseball history.
   24. PreservedFish Posted: May 13, 2020 at 07:39 PM (#5950239)
A shame that the Steve Ontiveroses did not overlap.
   25. Fourth True Outcome Posted: May 13, 2020 at 07:49 PM (#5950241)
It beggars belief that the article completely omitted the marvelous Alex Gonzalezes and they haven't been mentioned here. Both were light-hitting shortstops who ended up with 79 OPS+ marks for their career. So similar that each is in the other's top ten for similarity scores and is the top choice for multiple individual seasons. I can't imagine there is another pair of doppelgängers so similar, let alone who also overlapped years so much too.
   26. Ron J Posted: May 13, 2020 at 07:50 PM (#5950243)
#24 Pitcher Steve is just on the DL and is rehabbing for a comeback.
   27. Hysterical & Useless Posted: May 13, 2020 at 07:57 PM (#5950245)
omitted the marvelous Alex Gonzalezes and they haven't been mentioned here.


You owe Jaack an apology and a beverage--see post #2
   28. Howie Menckel Posted: May 13, 2020 at 08:00 PM (#5950247)
more on the Bob Millers Quarter-Century Reign of Terror:

1949 - Bob J, PHI
1950 - Bob J, PHI
1951 - Bob J, PHI
1952 - Bob J, PHI
1953 - Bob J, PHI and Bob G, DET
1954 - Bob J, PHI and Bob G, DET
1955 - Bob J, PHI and Bob G, DET
1956 - Bob J, PHI and Bob G, DET
1957 - Bob J, PHI and Bob L, STL
1958 - Bob J, PHI
1959 - Bob L, STL
1960 - Bob L, STL
1961 - Bob L, STL
1962 - Bob L, NYM and Bob G, CIN & NYM
1963 - Bob L, LAD
1964 - Bob L, LAD
1965 - Bob L, LAD
1966 - Bob L, LAD
1967 - Bob L, LAD
1968 - Bob L, MIN
1969 - Bob L, MIN
1970 - Bob L, CLE & CHW & CHC
1971 - Bob L, CHC & SDP & PIT
1972 - Bob L, PIT
1973 - Bob L, SDP & DET & NYM
1974 - Bob L, NYM

has any other player ever been on 3 teams in back-to-back seasons - or 3 teams in 3 different years?

in 1962, the Reds traded Bob G - who had a 21.94 ERA in 5 IP after being in the minors the previous five years - to the Mets for Don Zimmer (yes, THAT Don Zimmer), who had gotten off to a 4-for-52 start for the Amazin's.

talk about a change-of-scenery trade! Miller remained terrible while Zimmer improved to bad.
   29. Booey Posted: May 13, 2020 at 08:14 PM (#5950253)
Until last year, I often accidentally picked the pitcher Jose Ramirez (2014-2018) on B-Ref when I meant to look up the All Star 3B Jose Ramirez (2013-2019). I never could remember which one started their career first. Luckily now I can just pick the one who was still playing last year.
   30. Itchy Row Posted: May 13, 2020 at 08:24 PM (#5950256)
Roberto Hernandez was only the second-best Roberto Hernandez, but he was the best Fausto Carmona.
   31. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 13, 2020 at 08:36 PM (#5950261)
To my knowledge, there have never been any other Trouts of note.
Au contraire!
   32. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 13, 2020 at 09:17 PM (#5950268)

No mention of the two William Wilsons whose careers overlapped in the 70's and 80's? Bill James wrote an entertaining chapter in one of the abstracts about them...


And the Giants have a top prospect named Will Wilson.
   33. JJ1986 Posted: May 13, 2020 at 09:19 PM (#5950270)
There were 2 RHRP named David Carpenter at the same time. Apparently the older one made the majors again last year; the younger one is gone. Cody Reed is probably not a rare name, but there are two active right now, one in the minors. Both are left-handed pitchers.
   34. flournoy Posted: May 13, 2020 at 09:40 PM (#5950272)
There were the two Greg Olsons, except one was a Gregg.


The Braves had Greg Olson from 1990-1993, then had Gregg Olson in 1994. Both wore #10.

The Braves never had Greg Golson, though. But if he or Greggg Olson or whoever were ever to play for them, he'd have to pick a different number now.
   35. Cooper Nielson Posted: May 14, 2020 at 02:10 AM (#5950315)
But agreed, the Jeff D'Amicos kinda take the cake. I mean why is even one d'Amico anywhere in the world carrying the name Jeff? To have two and them both end up in the majors at the same time -- unbelievable.

A shame that the Steve Ontiveroses did not overlap.


Yeah, these are always the two unlikeliest pairs I think of. It was crazy that the d'Amicos overlapped, were both right-handed pitchers, and were approximately the same age (both drafted in 1993).

But the Steve Ontiveroses made a bigger impression on me because I was younger and hadn't been exposed to as many last names at the time. They were the first and second Ontiveroses I had ever heard of, and they both played baseball, and they were both named Steve. Weird.

Another match that always stands out to me is Evan Longoria and actress Eva Longoria, who emerged in the same era with an unfamiliar surname and had less generic first names than "Jeff" or "Steve." Yeah, they're not exactly the same, but it's still a crazy coincidence.
   36. flournoy Posted: May 14, 2020 at 02:22 AM (#5950316)
A couple more Braves examples:

'80s infielder Paul Runge and long-time umpire Paul Runge.

In 2016, the Braves took a right handed pitcher named Brandon White from Lander University in the 12th round of the draft. Then they took a right handed pitcher named Brandon White from Davenport University in the 13th round.
   37. Mayor Blomberg Posted: May 14, 2020 at 02:23 AM (#5950317)
So armed thugs are usurping the legitimate functions of government, only they're white so we have to call them ordinary folk and respect their concerns.
   38. Walt Davis Posted: May 14, 2020 at 03:16 AM (#5950318)
Not the same obviously but Scott Service and Scott Servais was a bit odd too.

I will second the nomination of the Ontiveroses as an unexpected duo.

There were two Chris Carpenters with the latter one traded for the gall of hiring Theo Epstein with the Cubs also getting Xander's brother in return although he doesn't seem to have made it off the island until bro bought him a ticket.
   39. TomH Posted: May 14, 2020 at 06:04 AM (#5950321)
I mixed up the two Greg Harrises 30 years ago. One was famously ambidextrous.
   40. Ron J Posted: May 14, 2020 at 07:06 AM (#5950324)
#37 Wrong thread I think.
   41. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: May 14, 2020 at 08:28 AM (#5950330)
Of course, the only true doppelgangers are the Alexes Gonzalez, who are truly indistingiushable.
One looked like a sea bass, the other did not.
   42. Rally Posted: May 14, 2020 at 10:21 AM (#5950361)
I see no mention of Billy Hamilton.

In MLB history, there are 22 seasons with at least 100 stolen bases. Original Billy had 4 of them. The recent Billy had two such seasons in the minor leagues, and could have done it in the majors if he had been able to get on base. 155 steals in 2012, between A and AA ball.
   43. John DiFool2 Posted: May 14, 2020 at 10:30 AM (#5950364)
For some odd reason the universe never had Billy Brewer play for Milwaukee, where he could hang out in the OF section before games with Bernie...
   44. wjones Posted: May 14, 2020 at 11:52 AM (#5950385)
Of course, the only true doppelgangers are the Alexes Gonzalez, who are truly indistingiushable.
One looked like a sea bass, the other did not.


And faced each other in the same NLCS, which wasn't confusing at all.
   45. The Mighty Quintana Posted: May 14, 2020 at 11:56 AM (#5950386)
One more noteworthy pair: Ripper Collins of the Gashouse Gang was born James Collins, as was HOF player/manager Jimmy Collins.
   46. Howie Menckel Posted: May 14, 2020 at 12:04 PM (#5950390)
I see no mention of Billy Hamilton.


Billy Hamilton led the NL in steals in 1890, 1891, 1894, and 1895.

Billy Hamilton was 2nd in the NL in steals in 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, and 2018 - but never 1st.
   47. Booey Posted: May 14, 2020 at 12:04 PM (#5950392)
The Mariners had 2 guys named George Kenneth Griffey for a stretch in 1990-1991. They even homered back to back once!
   48. Itchy Row Posted: May 14, 2020 at 12:18 PM (#5950400)
They're not as notable as the James Collinses, but there have been two players named John Collins. Both were outfielders in the 1910's and early 20's and both went by nicknames- Shano and Zip.
   49. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: May 14, 2020 at 12:53 PM (#5950450)
The weirdest one I've ever come across is the pair of Bobs Sadowski who both played in MLB in 1963.
   50. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: May 14, 2020 at 12:54 PM (#5950452)
#37 Wrong thread I think.
Unless we're talking about Pat Venditte, who uses multiple arms but doesn't appear to be a thug.
   51. Cooper Nielson Posted: May 14, 2020 at 01:17 PM (#5950459)
The weirdest one I've ever come across is the pair of Bobs Sadowski who both played in MLB in 1963.

Whoa, that's a bit before my time, but that's every bit as good as Steve Ontiveros.

Even more interesting to me: There were three Sadowski brothers (Bob the Younger, Ted, and Ed) in the majors in the early '60s, and they were all uncles of Jim Sadowski, who pitched in 4 games in 1974. So presumably there was a fourth Sadowski brother, and he didn't play major-league baseball, but his son did.

[Just did some research: There were 7 Sadowski brothers and 5 sisters.]
   52. Rally Posted: May 14, 2020 at 01:56 PM (#5950475)
Drew Anderson gave me all kinds of trouble when I was first starting to project players and trying to keep updated data. This was before I found out about numeric MLBAM IDs and was trying to match things up by name.

One played in the majors for a year, and also the minors from 2003-2010. Another only played minors, from 2004-10. Both were outfielders. These were the toughest to keep track of. Another played a single year in the minors (2007), and now there is a pitcher of that name on the Phillies.

Even more interesting to me: There were three Sadowski brothers (Bob the Younger, Ted, and Ed) in the majors in the early '60s, and they were all uncles of Jim Sadowski, who pitched in 4 games in 1974. So presumably there was a fourth Sadowski brother, and he didn't play major-league baseball, but his son did
.

Makes me think of the Dukes. Luke, Bo, and Daisy were all cousins who lived with their uncle. Don't ever recall mention of Jesse's siblings on the show.
   53. Itchy Row Posted: May 14, 2020 at 02:06 PM (#5950480)
And that makes me wonder what happened to Opie Taylor's mom's family.
   54. gef, talking mongoose & vexatious litigant Posted: May 14, 2020 at 02:13 PM (#5950485)
Ontiveri, please.
   55. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: May 14, 2020 at 02:16 PM (#5950489)
The Brians Giles are another pair not mentioned.

They were both in the Cleveland minor league system in 1989. But the middle infielder Brian last played in MLB in 1990, before bouncing around for a while overseas and in the Indy leagues, while the more famous outfielder Brian didn't make his MLB debut until 1995.
   56. Zonk took his own SATs Posted: May 14, 2020 at 02:27 PM (#5950496)
Of course, the only true doppelgangers are the Alexes Gonzalez, who are truly indistingiushable.
One looked like a sea bass, the other did not.


And faced each other in the same NLCS, which wasn't confusing at all.


They both earned my undying hatred too!
   57. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 14, 2020 at 02:29 PM (#5950498)
Other odd same-name guys:

Erasmo Ramirez
Charlie Morton
Ike Davis
Kyle Waldrop

Also Mike Stanton deserves a mention.
   58. Itchy Row Posted: May 14, 2020 at 02:31 PM (#5950500)
Craig Wilson was a light-hitting 3B/2B for the Cardinals and Royals from 1989 to 1993 before he went to the minors for a few years to learn how to play shortstop. He was back in the majors with the White Sox from 1998-2000. He must have discovered steroids because he suddenly developed some power and played another eight years, mostly with Pittsburgh.
   59. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: May 14, 2020 at 02:43 PM (#5950505)

Even more interesting to me: There were three Sadowski brothers (Bob the Younger, Ted, and Ed) in the majors in the early '60s, and they were all uncles of Jim Sadowski, who pitched in 4 games in 1974. So presumably there was a fourth Sadowski brother, and he didn't play major-league baseball, but his son did

And that Bob Sadowski's son Troy played 9 seasons as a tight end in the NFL.

According to his SABR bio, the Sadowski brothers were 3 amongst 7 brothers and 5 sisters.
   60. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: May 14, 2020 at 02:53 PM (#5950514)
Also Mike Stanton deserves a mention.
You're confused; we're talking about two different people with the same name, not the same person with two different names.
   61. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: May 14, 2020 at 03:10 PM (#5950525)
not the same person with two different names.

hold my beer
   62. Jaack Posted: May 14, 2020 at 03:29 PM (#5950534)
In 2007 the Giants had the opportunity to draft the outfielder formerly known as Mike Stanton using the comp pick they got from losing reliever Mike Stanton in free agency, but took the immortal Charlie Culberson instead.
   63. DonPedro Posted: May 14, 2020 at 03:44 PM (#5950539)
The Jack Taylors were pretty good pitchers but, between them,they managed a 27 and 31 record in the NL of 1899
   64. The Mighty Quintana Posted: May 14, 2020 at 04:15 PM (#5950550)
Three Pat Kelly(s) played in the majors during the last 50 years:

Pat Kelly #1 - Outfielder with White Sox in the 70's, made an All-Star team
Pat Kelly #2 - Second Baseman for Yankees in the 90's
Pat Kelly #3 - Catcher who played 3 games with Blue Jays in 1980. Father of pitcher Casey Kelly
   65. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: May 14, 2020 at 04:24 PM (#5950556)
Pat Kelly #1 - Outfielder with White Sox in the 70's, made an All-Star team

Leroy Kelly's brother
   66. SoSH U at work Posted: May 14, 2020 at 04:29 PM (#5950557)
Unless we're talking about Pat Venditte, who uses multiple arms but doesn't appear to be a thug.


In this thread, we'd be talking about Greg Harris.

   67. Rally Posted: May 14, 2020 at 05:41 PM (#5950583)
#64, I had no idea. I though Casey was the son of the Pat who played 2b for the Yankees. Casey was a 2 way player when drafted, a middle infielder so that’s probably why I thought so.
   68. Howie Menckel Posted: May 14, 2020 at 07:46 PM (#5950621)
oddly enough, the white Bobby Jones was on WFAN sports radio in NYC tonight, talking about his cooking exploits.

I assume this was a warmup to a replay of the gem noted in Post 7
   69. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: May 14, 2020 at 09:08 PM (#5950648)
oddly enough, the white Bobby Jones was on WFAN sports radio in NYC tonight, talking about his cooking exploits.

which white Bobby Jones?
   70. Cooper Nielson Posted: May 14, 2020 at 11:46 PM (#5950674)
Ontiveri, please.

Nah, that's not right. Let's be truly prescriptive, -os endings are pluralized with -oi.

Ontiveroi.
   71. Rally Posted: May 15, 2020 at 07:38 AM (#5950716)
which white Bobby Jones?


I'm guessing not the golfer, who died in 1971.
   72. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: May 15, 2020 at 11:18 AM (#5950767)

The popularity of first names ebbs and flows, so it doesn't surprise me when you have a common last name like Johnson, that all the Randys will debut around the same time (three debuting from 1980-1988, no others in MLB history). It's just really weird for a less common name like D'Amico, where the only two in MLB history were named Jeff and played at the same time.
   73. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: May 15, 2020 at 11:24 AM (#5950769)
Nothing to do with baseball, but from 1975 through 1978 the NFL had three players named Dwight McDonald, Drew Pearson, and Ralph McGill, all names that were widely known in the world outside of sports, and all about as far removed in all possible ways from the prototypical NFL player. I can't think of any other sport that's had three better known doppelgangers playing in the league at the same time.
   74. Booey Posted: May 15, 2020 at 11:39 AM (#5950772)
Semi related, but what are the most famous MLB doppelgangers you've known in your personal lives? I had a friend in junior high named Mike Schmidt*, and a co-worker years back named David Justice. Also, if we're counting alternative spellings, I have a friend I've known since we were kids named Andy Pettet.


* Born in 1979, so he very well could have been named after THE Mike Schmidt. I don't know why I never bothered asking him that.
   75. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: May 15, 2020 at 11:46 AM (#5950774)
I finally had to click into this thread to see if it was about Detroit Lions kicker Eddie Murray. Nevermind.
   76. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 15, 2020 at 11:54 AM (#5950777)
Semi related, but what are the most famous MLB doppelgangers you've known in your personal lives?
Closest I can think of off the top of my head is my friend Tim Lin - we were in high school when Mike Timlin was starting his career. We thought that was pretty funny.
   77. Booey Posted: May 15, 2020 at 12:56 PM (#5950795)
Oh I forgot, I knew an Alex Rodriguez too. But that's probably not a super uncommon name.

This guy was different than the famous one though; he was a centaur born with the torso of a human, and the lower half of a...human. Weird.
   78. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: May 15, 2020 at 01:06 PM (#5950802)
There has to be at least one 19th-century player who changes names as he changes teams and who has two different BB-Ref pages with nobody the wiser.
   79. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: May 15, 2020 at 01:10 PM (#5950804)
I knew an Alex Rodriguez too

so did I (and still do). And I went to grade school with a guy named Rick Barry (but that's another story entirely)
   80. greenback used to say live and let live Posted: May 15, 2020 at 01:17 PM (#5950807)
The Cardinals had a not-so-good pitcher back in the late 80s and early 90s named Cris Carpenter. And then they had a pretty good pitcher in Chris Carpenter.

They didn't have the same first name, but I think the rise of the Torrealba catchers -- born about five months apart in different parts of Venezuela, so presumably not brothers, who both made the majors in 2001, and one of them the son of the only other Torrealba to make the majors -- deserves some mention. The fact one of them was named Yorvit makes me suspect the clone was named Steve just to throw us off the trail.

The Cardinals also had two pitching prospects in the last 15 years named Luis Perdomo. Both were lost in the Rule 5 draft, and after the draft both were sent to the Padres.
   81. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: May 15, 2020 at 01:35 PM (#5950811)
I worked with a conceited kid in Scranton named Ryan Howard.
   82. Gary Truth Serum Posted: May 15, 2020 at 01:39 PM (#5950814)
Years ago I read in a baseball book that all major league players with the last name Rhodes were nicknamed Dusty. Yet ever since I read that the only one I had ever heard of was the guy who hit the memorable pinch hit home run in the 1954 World Series.

But the statement checks out. The book was written in the mid-70s and from B-R it appears that all three prior major league Rhodes were in fact nicknamed Dusty. There was also the wrestler with that name who was already an established star although not yet world champion. He was also obviously too recent to have influenced the first three. Since then we have had Arthur and Tuffy, who obviously didn't care about the sacrosanct tradition of the nickname.
   83. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 15, 2020 at 01:45 PM (#5950817)
I had a co-worker named Travis Hafner once, and have one named Jason Phillips now (not a very uncommon name I imagine)
   84. Itchy Row Posted: May 15, 2020 at 01:51 PM (#5950821)
There was a kid named Reggie Jackson on my Little League team. He was named after the other one, which is probably cheating. He wasn't any good at baseball.


Nothing to do with baseball, but I knew a guy named John Lennon. Nobody ever just called him John or anything else- it was always "Hi John Lennon."
   85. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 15, 2020 at 02:06 PM (#5950827)
There was a kid named Reggie Jackson on my Little League team. He was named after the other one, which is probably cheating. He wasn't any good at baseball.
How did he feel about the Queen?
   86. Itchy Row Posted: May 15, 2020 at 02:25 PM (#5950836)
How did he feel about the Queen?
There was a reason the umpire/national anthem singer was always armed.
   87. flournoy Posted: May 15, 2020 at 02:37 PM (#5950841)
I know a Brian Jordan, used to know a Scott Sanders, and went to elementary school with a kid named Joe Carter.
   88. Howie Menckel Posted: May 15, 2020 at 02:39 PM (#5950842)
I knew a guy named John Lennon.

I knew one, too. he was born in 1962, so can't really blame his parents.

I have known three different Dave Smiths, but they have saved a combined zero games for the Astros.
   89. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: May 15, 2020 at 03:29 PM (#5950880)
Hell, one of my best friends in high school was named Stephen Miller. He could fade having the same name as the singer, but the second most loathsome man in the country, not so much.

(And as a bonus, he now looks like a 75 year old Richard Nixon, right down to the paunch, the jowls, the hairline and the permanent five o'clock shadow. Some guys have all the luck.)
   90. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: May 16, 2020 at 03:08 PM (#5951217)
My high school band in South Louisiana had a sax player named Louis Boudreaux. Does that count?
   91. BaseballObscura Posted: May 16, 2020 at 04:04 PM (#5951236)
Two men named Charles Householder played in 1884, one for the Chicago of the Union Association and one for Brooklyn of the American Association. Trying to separate their playing records is something of disaster. Charles W. Householder was the better known player and had long career playing from the 1870's to the late 1880's and was reguarly mentioned in the Philadelphia papers and Sporting Life, he was the Brooklyn one and was also on the 1882 Orioles. Charles F. Householder played 83 games in the Union Association and was from Harrisburg. He had a much shorter career, from 1883 to 1885, though bb-ref conflates his more limited record with that of Charles W. The photo on each bb-ref profile is of Charles W. while no known photo of Charles F. exists.

As you can tell, I am the world's foremost expert on the two Charles Householders.

There were also two George Winklemmans playing in the 1880's, one was Winkleman and one was Winkelman.

Finally, the 1992 Calgary Cannons, my hometown team, had the black Ted Williams and the black Kevin Brown. It was the first year I started attending games regularly as a 12 year old, and I was able to get both their autographs.
   92. Hysterical & Useless Posted: May 16, 2020 at 04:23 PM (#5951244)
the black Ted Williams and the black Kevin Brown. It was the first year I started attending games regularly as a 12 year old, and I was able to get both their autographs.

Was either of them as surly as their precursors?

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