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This was the time for the Astros to own their cheating. Maybe they missed the sign.

On the other side of the park, Kurt Suzuki, a Washington Nationals catcher who gave complex signs in the World Series to foil the Astros’ thievery, wasn’t buying any of it.

“Do you think the Astros were still cheating in the ’19 World Series,” I asked.

“Oh, yeah, no question,” Suzuki said. “We could hear it from their dugout. We heard their whistling. What are you going to do?”

What the Nats did was change their signs on every batter of the Series and sometimes within an at-bat when they sensed that a swing at a tough pitch was “so good” that the Astros’ cheating might have, momentarily, caught up with the Nats’ coding system. The Nats were never sure how well they were succeeding.

Hank Gillette Posted: February 16, 2020 at 05:28 AM | 7 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. puck Posted: February 16, 2020 at 12:09 PM (#5924731)
Then, in the Astros’ refrain of the day, Reddick said, “If we win, we shut everybody up.”


I guess that's the rally cry of the 2020 Astros.
   2. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 16, 2020 at 12:49 PM (#5924737)
No you won’t, Josh.
   3. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 16, 2020 at 01:31 PM (#5924742)
No you won’t, Josh.

Exactly. 2017 is permanently tainted. Deal.
   4. The Yankee Clapper Posted: February 16, 2020 at 03:35 PM (#5924758)
Then, in the Astros’ refrain of the day, Reddick said, “If we win, we shut everybody up.”
It works the other way, too. Any Astros hitter falling off a bit in 2020 will be widely thought to have done better in prior years only because they cheated.
   5. catomi01 Posted: February 16, 2020 at 03:58 PM (#5924759)
I have no sympathy for them, but the Astros are in a no-win situation either way this year (or the next few.) If they fall off, the assumption will be that the cheating clearly helped them. If they win, the assumption is going to be that they just found a new way to cheat.
   6. Walt Davis Posted: February 16, 2020 at 06:21 PM (#5924767)
If they win, the assumption is going to be that they just found a new way to cheat.

Maybe. This is what the hiring of Baker and the GM from outside the organization is supposed to prevent. Nobody doubts Baker's integrity and nobody believes he'd be timid like Hinch so the sort of open, team-wide cheating simply won't happen. The external GM hire doesn't bring a strong reputation with him (i.e. he hasn't been a GM before) but is at least external and one would hope has enough sense not to make install a new way to cheat as his first priority. That of course doesn't mean that people won't believe that individual players have found some new way to cheat although it's hard to see what they could do (other than PEDs) that wouldn't involve the video guys and could be hidden from Baker.

Now of course the non-fans and the casual fans may not know enough about the new hires to be affected and parts of the media will be happy to run with "are they still cheating?" stories so no doubt we'll see some of this.
   7. Walt Davis Posted: February 16, 2020 at 06:22 PM (#5924769)
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