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Baseball Primer Newsblog — The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand Saturday, May 29, 2010Todd Jones: Ryan Howard’s deal won’t affect Pujols’ or Fielder’sMust find my The Todd phenomenon: Ex-grand druid vrs. the Illuminati ; fact or phantasy? book for further research.
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Posted: May 29, 2010 at 12:48 PM | 36 comment(s)
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1. Law Boy Posted: May 29, 2010 at 01:11 PM (#3545675)Oh wait, let me guess: you're still holding the homosexuality comments against him like a good little fascist stormtrooper. Jesus Christ.
Not to engage in this Todd Jones Loser yay or nay discussion, I really have no idea which is accurate, but isn't this an argument that Fielder's contract WILL be influenced by Howard's? Creating an obstacle in the negotiations.
This is an unusual method of preaching tolerance.
There was an internet rumor that the Brewers were going to offer Prince 6/$109M after Boras suggested that Fielder should get 8/$200M. Obviously the Brewers know Prince won't sign for that, so the question is what would be the most the Brewers would be willing to offer. My total guess is 6 years/$120M. And as Harvey notes, if Prince doesn't show signs of improvement this year I doubt he would even get that offer.
I'm not sure contractual analysis is his bailiwick.
As for the article, I really don't think Prince Fielder is more feared than Ryan Braun.
Well, he writes from a major league player's perspective, thus being more interesting than most chaff here by default.
Similarily, I don't mind Chass links, enervating as he can be, as he sometimes uses his phonebook and talks to people in baseball rather than just blowiate.
Now I've argued often enough that other people's mistakes aren't binding on you, but as long as a player can be easily compared to Howard you have to deal with Howard's contract or face losing the player.
A player's sole "leverage" in negotiations is the willingness of some other team to pay him more than his current team is offering, and while the Phillies' contract with Howard is evidence that some other team may be willing to pay Fielder lots of money, it does not itself constitute an offer from that team.
His argument regarding Milwaukee's resources though is just strange. That's an argument for Fielder walking away from Milwaukee when he's an FA -- both to get more money for himself and to surround himself with better players (due to greater team resources). Sure, Milwaukee may not be able to afford $25 M to Fielder (and have enough left over for others) but that doesn't mean that the Howard contract doesn't impact on what Fielder will find acceptable.
His argument with regard to Pujols is interesting -- Pujols is so much better than Howard that it doesn't matter what Howard signs for. In short, Pujols was already going to get over $25 M so that a less player signed for $25 M doesn't matter. That's probably not quite true but it's close enough.
Deep in my troublemaking heart I like to think you're driving one of the only other Nats fans - Ian MacKaye - away from the site. ;-)
How big a hit would the Brewers take if they stuck to, say, 6/109 and Fielder vamoosed?
Doug Glanville's book is pretty good, and we all know Dick Hayhurst is awesome.
While I am sure homophobia is a small part of Todd Jones's character, it's still a fairly repugnant part of his character. People are capable of being thoughtful, insightful, kind, good family men, and homophobes. Why the rush to excuse it?
I have several gay friends. If someone says something homophobic in my presence, I try to speak up, because I imagine what it would be like if my friend were there and had to hear it. I don't think everything that someone ever says or does has to be viewed through that lens, just like I think the wife-beating comments about Brett Myers pile on a bit. But the fact of the matter is that Todd Jones was a bit of a homophobe in the past. I don't know if he still is or not, but excusing it and criticizing other people for commenting on it seems odd.
Homophobia is wrong the same way racism is. When people bring up Cap Anson, one of the things they talk about is racism. Is that fair? Probably not, but it's part of society. When Todd Jones writes a column about how homophobia is wrong, and how he was wrong to talk about it in that way, a lot of people will probably view him differently.
I'm in no rush to excuse it, and I don't see anyone who really has, even Eso. But I'm in no rush to make his homophobia the entirety of Todd Jones character, which has happened too often at this site. Particularly since it's a trait he likely shares with far too many big leaguers.
In my opinion, Todd Jones has written some pretty interesting things about his life as a baseball player (just as Dirk and Doug have). That he has also said things about homosexuals that I strongly disagree with doesn't invalidate every other opinion he has.
No one brought up the homophobic comments except those pre-emptively defending him. Darren said he was uninteresting and a loser, but didn't mention anything about the homophobic comments. The first mention was by Esoteric and then by Crispix.
I do hold the homophobic comments against Todd Jones. I don't throw out everything he ever has to say because of it, but I hold it against him. When he admits that he was wrong, I'll change that view.
If there was some other reason Darren labeled him a loser, it would be the first time around here.
And, like Crispix, I'm not really sure what else Petooter might have been getting at with the Dirk and Doug references. Yes, they are insightful and likable. What does that have to do with my comments about Jones?
Well then let's continue with the honesty - something tells me Esoteric's rush to defend Jones doesn't stem from a love of "the gays".
Does he have to speak really slowly for you to understand him?
If...a...player...of...a...certain...skill...is...payed...a...certain...salary...another... player...of...greater...skill...can...be...expected... to...be...paid...a...greater...salary. Jesus ####### christ, is there some kind of internet competition going on to be the most obtuse human being in existence?
Good news, you win.
Someone said "insightful" and "life as a big leaguer" and I given that I had just read Glanville's book the day before yesterday, that's what it made me think of. And I shared my thoughts with BBTF.
More likely, once the burden of your visit was removed, Halladay was able to come through. Notwithstanding that the game was in Miami.
Also, please go back to Philadelphia.
http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/newsstand/discussion/espn_halladay_hurls_20th_perfect_game_in_mlb_history/
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