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Toronto Blue Jays’ Marcus Semien sets record for homers by a primary second baseman

Blue Jays slugger Marcus Semien set a record for home runs by a primary second baseman when he hit his 44th of the season Wednesday against Yankees ace Gerrit Cole in a critical 6-5 victory.

Semien’s homer, a two-run drive into the left field bullpen, broke a tie with Davey Johnson (1973 for Atlanta), who is still credited by Elias, the official statistician for MLB, as having the most home runs by a second baseman.

Four of Semien’s home runs this season have come while he was playing shortstop, but second base is defined as his primary position as he’s made 75% or more of his starts there. Semien has made 142 of his 157 starts (90.4%) at second base this season.

Rogers Hornsby (42 home runs in 1922), Brian Dozier (42 in 2016) and Ryne Sandberg (40 in 1990) are the only other second basemen in big-league history to reach the 40-homer mark.

Semien’s homer was Toronto’s ML-leading 249th of the season. They ended the night with 251. But from a team standpoint, what was more important was a victory that snapped New York’s seven-game winning streak, and kept Toronto hanging around the pecking order in the hunt for the two American League wild-card spots during this final week of the season.

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   1. Hombre Brotani Posted: September 30, 2021 at 03:54 PM (#6042593)
Marcus Semien is the real MVP of the Jays.
   2. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 30, 2021 at 04:05 PM (#6042601)
Good enough for a MVP some years, but not this one.
   3. Random Transaction Generator Posted: September 30, 2021 at 04:19 PM (#6042604)
Semien and Salvador Perez would be MVP candidates in any other year, and probably neither of them will get a single 1st place or 2nd place vote.
   4. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: September 30, 2021 at 04:31 PM (#6042608)
Semien’s homer, a two-run drive into the left field bullpen, broke a tie with Davey Johnson (1973 for Atlanta), who is still credited by Elias, the official statistician for MLB, as having the most home runs by a second baseman.

Four of Semien’s home runs this season have come while he was playing shortstop, but second base is defined as his primary position as he’s made 75% or more of his starts there. Semien has made 142 of his 157 starts (90.4%) at second base this season.


He gets “penalized” by Elias for playing a tougher position. Life’s a ##### and then you die, I ‘spose.
   5. Walt Davis Posted: September 30, 2021 at 04:35 PM (#6042609)
Robbie Ray also has a good case for Jays' MVP.

But boy Gurriel turned his season around. Just 249/265/367 through the end of May, for Aug-Sept he's hit 323/385/596. That's better than Vlad or Semien in Aug-Sept ... not that anybody would complain about hos Vlad and Semien have hit.
   6. Harmon "Thread Killer" Microbrew Posted: September 30, 2021 at 05:49 PM (#6042618)
Went over to BB-Ref to look at the Jays team stat and got in a rabbit hole when I noticed that the Franchise page shows the Jays Top 24 players all-time by WAR created with the team. I noticed that no current Jays are on there, so had to do the rest of the AL to see if that is rare or not. Results:

Toronto Blue Jays - None
Boston Red Sox - None
New York Yankees - Gardner
Tampa (only shows Top 12) - Kiermeier
Baltimore - Machado

Minnesota - None
White Sox - Sale, Abreu
Cleveland - Ramirez
Detroit - Miggy
KC - Alex Gordon, Sal Perez

Texas - None
Oakland - None
Houston - Altuve, Correa, Bregman
Seattle - Seager, Cano
Angels - Trout, Simmons
   7. Random Transaction Generator Posted: September 30, 2021 at 06:01 PM (#6042619)
The longest tenured Blue Jays position player is Teoscar Hernandez. He played his first game with the team on September 1, 2017.
They are the third youngest team by average position player age:

                            
Tm                   BatAge
Cleveland Indians       26.7
Baltimore Orioles       26.7
Toronto Blue Jays       26.8
Texas Rangers           26.8
Seattle Mariners        27.0
Pittsburgh Pirates      27.6
Tampa Bay Rays          27.7
San Diego Padres        28.0
Chicago White Sox       28.0
Boston Red Sox          28.0
   8. SoSH U at work Posted: September 30, 2021 at 06:03 PM (#6042620)
White Sox - Sale, Abreu


That would just be Abreu.
   9. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: September 30, 2021 at 06:04 PM (#6042621)
Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but Machado, Sale, Gordon, Cano, and Simmons are no longer on the teams listed there.
   10. Harmon "Thread Killer" Microbrew Posted: September 30, 2021 at 06:36 PM (#6042627)
. SoSH U at work Posted: September 30, 2021 at 06:03 PM (#6042620)
White Sox - Sale, Abreu


That would just be Abreu.
9. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: September 30, 2021 at 06:04 PM (#6042621)
Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but Machado, Sale, Gordon, Cano, and Simmons are no longer on the teams listed there.


And that is why a guy shouldn't do "analysis" in a hurry . . .
   11. Harmon "Thread Killer" Microbrew Posted: September 30, 2021 at 06:38 PM (#6042628)
So, my new PEER-REVIEWED factoid is the fact that only one AL team has more than one current player on its Top 24 all-time players by WAR.

Revised

Toronto Blue Jays - None
Boston Red Sox - None
New York Yankees - Gardner
Tampa (only shows Top 12) - Kiermeier
Baltimore - None

Minnesota - None
White Sox - Abreu
Cleveland - Ramirez
Detroit - Miggy
KC - Sal Perez

Texas - None
Oakland - None
Houston - Altuve, Correa, Bregman
Seattle - Seager
Angels - Trout
   12. BDC Posted: September 30, 2021 at 06:52 PM (#6042630)
To me the most bizarre aspect of the factoid is that Brett Gardner is in the top 24 in all-time WAR while a Yankee. (In fact 21st.)
   13. sunday silence (again) Posted: September 30, 2021 at 07:03 PM (#6042631)
Yeah Gardner, what the hell? I mean Go Gardner but what the hell?
   14. RJ in TO Posted: September 30, 2021 at 07:09 PM (#6042632)
To me the most bizarre aspect of the factoid is that Brett Gardner is in the top 24 in all-time WAR while a Yankee. (In fact 21st.)
Among position players.

He's been remarkably good at the small things. He's only +14 runs for his career with the bat, but he's been great with the glove (+136 runs), on the bases (+42 runs), and avoiding the DP (+26 runs). And he doesn't even lose as many runs as you'd expect to his position, as he's played about 40% of his games in CF. You do all those things well over a 14 season career, and those WAR numbers are going to look pretty good.
   15. BDC Posted: September 30, 2021 at 07:34 PM (#6042636)
The pictures on the B-Ref franchise pages include pitchers – Gardner (among others) is pictured between Ron Guidry and Bob Shawkey, for instance.

It makes sense on reflection, sure, given Gardner's tenure with the club, but nobody here would be hard-pressed to name another 30 if not 50 other Yankees who were bigger stars while with the team. I guess one factor is that so many guys who were great in the Bronx also played a lot elsewhere, even way BITD – Frank Baker or Herb Pennock.

It's just weird to think of Gardner having more WAR than Lefty Gomez or Phil Rizzuto … he doesn't have much more, but enough to get onto the page.
   16. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 30, 2021 at 07:54 PM (#6042639)
To me the most bizarre aspect of the factoid is that Brett Gardner is in the top 24 in all-time WAR while a Yankee. (In fact 21st.)
If Gardner comes back for another season (iffy), he’d have a chance to pass Red Ruffing & Ron Guidry, as well as a few position players on this illustrious list:

WAR Position Players †
1. Babe Ruth 143.4
2. Lou Gehrig 113.7
3. Mickey Mantle 110.2
4. Joe DiMaggio 79.2
5. Derek Jeter 71.3
6. Yogi Berra 59.7
7. Bill Dickey 56.5
8. Willie Randolph 54.0
Alex Rodriguez 54.0
10. Bernie Williams 49.6
11. Roy White 46.8
12. Tony Lazzeri 46.4
13. Thurman Munson 46.1
14. Earle Combs 44.8
15. Robinson Cano 44.4
Brett Gardner 44.4
Graig Nettles 44.4
18. Charlie Keller 42.7
Jorge Posada 42.7
20. Don Mattingly 42.4
21. Phil Rizzuto 42.2
22. Gil McDougald 40.7
23. Tommy Henrich 39.7
24. Joe Gordon 36.8
25. Roger Peckinpaugh 32.1
   17. Hombre Brotani Posted: September 30, 2021 at 08:01 PM (#6042640)
I guess one factor is that so many guys who were great in the Bronx also played a lot elsewhere, even way BITD – Frank Baker or Herb Pennock.
Gardner's been a nice solid player for the Yankees, but no one's going to lump him in with the truly great players of the franchise. My brain immediately went to Joe Gordon and Tommy Henrich. Both guys lost prime years WW2, and I had totally forgotten that Gordon finished his career in Cleveland.
   18. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: September 30, 2021 at 08:15 PM (#6042644)
I know these “most as primary position” records are kind of bogus, but it’s still pretty remarkable that two (C and 2B) have fallen in the same season. And you could argue that three have, since I’m pretty sure nobody has hit more HR while pitching as many innings as Ohtani.
   19. Nasty Nate Posted: September 30, 2021 at 08:16 PM (#6042645)
So, my new PEER-REVIEWED factoid is the fact that only one AL team has more than one current player on its Top 24 all-time players by WAR.
Can we try the NL? Some guesses:
SF - Posey
Stl - Wainwright, Molina
NY - dEgrom
Mil - Yelich?
LA - Kershaw

I'm sure I'm missing some obvious ones
   20. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: September 30, 2021 at 08:28 PM (#6042646)
I assume Votto would be on there.
   21. Nasty Nate Posted: September 30, 2021 at 08:32 PM (#6042649)
He is. And I missed a team that has at least three!
   22. SoSH U at work Posted: September 30, 2021 at 08:33 PM (#6042650)
Strasburg, Freeman, Story, Blackmon?
   23. SoSH U at work Posted: September 30, 2021 at 08:47 PM (#6042651)
There is one really surprising NL name.
   24. JJ1986 Posted: September 30, 2021 at 08:54 PM (#6042653)
German Marquez?
   25. SoSH U at work Posted: September 30, 2021 at 08:57 PM (#6042655)
He is the other Rockie, but not the player I was referring to in 23.
   26. Nasty Nate Posted: September 30, 2021 at 09:03 PM (#6042659)
Is there a 4th Rockie?
   27. SoSH U at work Posted: September 30, 2021 at 09:08 PM (#6042663)
On the Top 24 list, but that’s not the surprising NL player I had in mind.
   28. JJ1986 Posted: September 30, 2021 at 09:16 PM (#6042672)
Is it Ryan Zimmerman because everyone forgets he's active?
   29. SoSH U at work Posted: September 30, 2021 at 09:17 PM (#6042673)
Including me, so no.
   30. BDC Posted: September 30, 2021 at 09:20 PM (#6042676)
14 of the 24 Cubs are pictured in black and white. Well, they have been around for a while. At least they are all photographs and no engravings.
   31. JustDan Posted: September 30, 2021 at 09:23 PM (#6042678)
Soto and Tatis?
   32. SoSH U at work Posted: September 30, 2021 at 09:24 PM (#6042679)
Tatis is the guy, 24th on the Pads. Soto doesn’t make the Nats list yet.
   33. BDC Posted: September 30, 2021 at 09:25 PM (#6042681)
There is one really surprising NL name

Tatis? Maybe he is not that surprising, though it's amazing to make the top 24 of a 50-year-old franchise at age 22.

Gotta type faster :)
   34. SoSH U at work Posted: September 30, 2021 at 11:40 PM (#6042739)
By the way, with a big weekend, Soto could make the Nats' list. He's .1 WAR behind Ron Fairly.

   35. Howie Menckel Posted: October 01, 2021 at 01:20 AM (#6042743)
I know these “most as primary position” records are kind of bogus

+1
   36. Rally Posted: October 01, 2021 at 07:38 AM (#6042749)
Gardner is a career Yankee, so he’ll rank higher on this kind of list than HOF mid career acquisitions like Reggie or Mussina. But count me as surprised that he has more WAR than Donnie Baseball.
   37. Rally Posted: October 01, 2021 at 07:42 AM (#6042750)
I would expect the expansion teams to be more likely to have current players in their top 24. Teams like the Jays don’t have guys like Cobb, Ruth, or Williams taking up the top spots. Won’t take Vlad and Bo too long to crack the list, remember this is their first full season.
   38. SoSH U at work Posted: October 01, 2021 at 08:47 AM (#6042759)
I would expect the expansion teams to be more likely to have current players in their top 24.


Of course, but the Padres have a particularly sad history. Tatis was able to crack the Top 24 after about 260 games.
   39. DCA Posted: October 01, 2021 at 09:41 AM (#6042763)
It's just weird to think of Gardner having more WAR than Lefty Gomez or Phil Rizzuto … he doesn't have much more, but enough to get onto the page.

Gardner is pretty much exactly Rizzuto. Not much with the bat, but well above average due to defense and baserunning. Rizzuto lost a few years to WW2 which might have cost him 10-15 WAR, and there's the MVP to which he had legitimate claim (a good season in a year when there weren't any great seasons; although he also had a #2 finish the year before that was absolutely undeserved) so there's a difference in perception.

But their careers as actually played.

Gardner 1685 G, 22 WAA, 44 WAR, +138 rField
Rizzuto 1661 G, 22 WAA, 42 WAR, +116 rField
   40. JustDan Posted: October 01, 2021 at 10:04 AM (#6042764)
Of course, but the Padres have a particularly sad history. Tatis was able to crack the Top 24 after about 260 games.

And the leader in HR is the great Nate Colbert with a paltry 163.
   41. SoSH U at work Posted: October 01, 2021 at 10:13 AM (#6042767)
And the leader in HR is the great Nate Colbert with a paltry 163.


And the wins leader barely cracked three digits.

And I bet no one can name the wins leader among players who has never played anywhere but San Diego.

   42. John M. Perkins Posted: October 01, 2021 at 10:35 AM (#6042774)
Atlanta - Freeman

1. 142.6 Henry Aaron
2. 107.1 Kid Nichols
3. 99.3 Warren Spahn
4. 94.0 Eddie Matthews
5. 88.5 Phil Niekro
6. 85.3 Chipper Jones
7. 69.5 John Smoltz
8. 67.3 Greg Maddux
9. 63.6 Tom Glavine
10. 61.0 Andruw Jones
11. 47.3 Dale Murphy
12. 42.9 Freddie Freeman
13. 42.4 John Clarkson
14. 42.1 Vic Willis
15. 41.6 Jim Whitney
16. 40.1 Tommy Bond
17. 39.4 Fred Tenney
18. 36.6 Wally Berger
19. 36.1 Tommy Holmes
20. 35.3 Herman Long
21. 33.4 Johnny Logan
22. 33.2 Joe Torre
23. 30.5 Rabbit Maranville
24. 28.7 Billy Nash

Active among top 50 batters or top 50 pitchers
14.9 Ronald Acuna Jr.
14.4 Ozzie Albies
11.4 Max Fried
   43. BDC Posted: October 01, 2021 at 11:44 AM (#6042786)
Most WAR as a Ranger, among current Rangers, must be Isiah Kiner-Falefa with 7.6, which is about 10 WAR shy of being 24th in team history. Second current Ranger is probably Adolis Garcia with 3.4, all this season. This is not good, considering that the team is only 50 years old and not illustrious. It's still pretty easy to get into their 24 - Yu Darvish managed it in just 4-1/2 years.
   44. Nasty Nate Posted: October 01, 2021 at 12:02 PM (#6042791)
Tatis is the guy, 24th on the Pads. Soto doesn’t make the Nats list yet.
Soto shows up at 24th today.
   45. SoSH U at work Posted: October 01, 2021 at 12:10 PM (#6042792)
Soto shows up at 24th today.


The Nats didn't play yesterday, so perhaps Fairly had an off night.
   46. JustDan Posted: October 01, 2021 at 03:36 PM (#6042855)
And I bet no one can name the wins leader among players who has never played anywhere but San Diego.

OK, I'll bite... Chris Paddack
   47. SoSH U at work Posted: October 01, 2021 at 03:43 PM (#6042858)
OK, I'll bite... Chris Paddack


He's tied with the guy I was looking for (who is more likely to never play for another team than Paddock is) - Luis Perdomo.
   48. Walt Davis Posted: October 01, 2021 at 07:36 PM (#6042907)
14 of the 24 Cubs are pictured in black and white. Well, they have been around for a while.

Also a 108-year dry spell that you may have heard about.

But one thing about the Cubs of my pre-2016 lifetime is that they almost always made sure to have at least one legit star. Not always but you could pretty much count on at least a Madlock winning batting titles or a Maddux or a Dawson or Sosa hitting HRs -- some sort of legit all-star rep. It doesn't take much to satisfy a bleacher bum roasting in the sun.

On Gardner, I assume most folks are surprised he's made it as high as 44 WAR more than surprised that 44 WAR will put you in the top 24 even on the Yanks. Roy White is another good Yankee comp for him -- anonymously good all-around player. White was the better hitter in context but their raw stats are reasonably close and of course Gardner makes up the difference with his defense to make them roughly equal in WAR. Gardner also comps quite well with non-Yankee Devon White, even on dWAR which is a bit surprising. But sure, who would think he's been almost as valuable as Bernie was.

I suppose I tend to think of Gardner as more ... I dunno, a better version of Cesar Geronimo? He seems like a "he was the right guy in the right place at the right time ... then not much" player but he's been much better than that. Granted, I'm not sure who else I'd put into that bucket -- Jeff Blauser maybe? Rich Aurilia? Bill North? Carlos Guillen? Basically star-laden winning team has a hole, tries this guy, guy is surprisingly good for a few years in a "perfectly fits what the team needs" kinda way, team peaks during that time, then the player fades back into obscurity when the team fades.
   49. Howie Menckel Posted: October 01, 2021 at 08:18 PM (#6042909)
And I bet no one can name the wins leader among players who has never played anywhere but San Diego.

doesn't Bob Apodaca have this record for the Mets?

and he has fewer wins than Paddack !

deGrom and Lugo are ahead of Apodaca but are more likely to pitch for another squad than the 71-year-old Apodaca
   50. JJ1986 Posted: October 01, 2021 at 08:40 PM (#6042911)
doesn't Bob Apodaca have this record for the Mets?
I think literally it's Pedro Feliciano, though he was on the Yankees for 2 years.
   51. Rally Posted: October 01, 2021 at 10:52 PM (#6042938)
Apodaca was just signed by the Orioles.
   52. SoSH U at work Posted: October 01, 2021 at 11:10 PM (#6042942)
I think literally it's Pedro Feliciano, though he was on the Yankees for 2 years.


He was with seven different franchises, which is probably pretty rare for a one-team guy with a nine-year career.

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