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Sunday, May 27, 2007

Torre takes shots at ump after Abreu is punched out

“There is no clear division between the force required to knock out an umpire and an amount of force which will kill him.”

The source of Torre’s ire was a questionable called third strike to Bobby Abreu that ended the Yankees’ listless 3-1 loss to the Angels at the Stadium, and left the tying runs on base.

“The sad part about it is that you stand there at home plate and take strike three and it’s in the other batter’s box,” Torre said of home plate umpire Jeff Nelson’s call. “We’d like to at least be able to determine our own fate. There’s no excuse for it and then (Nelson) has the nerve to argue back at Abreu.”

...“I’m not saying (Nelson) cost us the game,” Torre said. “The next pitch, he may have popped up. I’m saying I’d like to have that 27th out. That’s why the game is what it is. I just don’t think it was there for us because he never had a chance to swing at the pitch.

“And I’m not saying we don’t swing at pitches over our heads or in the dirt, okay? I’m not one to go harp on umpires, that’s part of the game, but this just got me because it was the end of the ballgame with two men on base and at least you want to give your hitter a chance to swing at a pitch.”

Repoz Posted: May 27, 2007 at 12:04 PM | 25 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Gambling Rent Czar Posted: May 27, 2007 at 01:51 PM (#2380335)
It has already started!

This week we are blaming the Umpires.
Next week it is Giambi, again ..
The week after that is Minky Mouse ..
Then back to Cashman ..
and then I think Arod is slotted for ridicule and blame the 4th week of June, I could be off a week or two there, sorry.

The pitching staff, they won't get their blame till the Derek Jeter Golf tournament, and that is scheduled for the second week of October. That date I am pretty sure of.
   2. JThompson Posted: May 27, 2007 at 02:00 PM (#2380336)
oh jeeez...

How pathetic. They groused about pitches they took all day, even though they received their usual allotment of Yankee Stadium Calls from the home plate umpire.

Torre and his players need to remember that old adage about learning more about one's self when you're losing than when you're winning, or it's going to be a VERY long season for this team.
   3. b Posted: May 27, 2007 at 02:49 PM (#2380342)
Actually, I don't have a problem with this as Torre is often too passive and non-confrontational with the umps. The passivity has trickled down too, as you get situations like Cano, and therefore the coaches, not reacting at all to a blown call at second base (and I'm talking about the out by 4 feet blown call). It's kind of like the last play of the Cavs Pistons Game 2. Mike Brown caught some flack for not complaining about the no-call on Lebron after the game. Phil Jackson was used as an example of a guy who would have gotten up there at his press conference and ####### and taken the $50,000 fine. It's all gamesmanship, and since his usual method isn't working, I'm glad to see Torre at least try a different play.
   4. PJ Martinez Posted: May 27, 2007 at 03:33 PM (#2380353)
I think the situation in basketball is different, as the same crew of refs might work most (all?) of a playoff series (right?). So getting in their heads about fairness to your team might make sense.

And I could certainly understand if Torre got up right after the call and yelled at the umpire and showed some fire.

But grousing about a called strike three after the game? Eh.
   5. Rough Carrigan Posted: May 27, 2007 at 03:33 PM (#2380354)
He's right to complain about that call. But, at least according to gamecast, there were definitely some pitches that were not called strikes against the yankees that should have been (not in Abreu's at bat).
   6. pkb33 Posted: May 27, 2007 at 04:02 PM (#2380371)
Feeling the pressure, Joe?
   7. Bizarro ARod Posted: May 27, 2007 at 04:39 PM (#2380395)
Uh, Baseball. There are some other sports out there called Football, Basketball, Hockey, Tennis, etc. that use these things called Computers and Cameras during their games. Maybe you should check that out.
   8. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: May 27, 2007 at 04:50 PM (#2380402)
Nah, they should look at soccer, where refereeing is a joke and players can get 3 Yellow Cards!

btw, who's worse, graham Poll, or Bob Davidson?
   9. Bizarro ARod Posted: May 27, 2007 at 05:17 PM (#2380431)
The other major sports will always have some controversy because the penalties/fouls with physical contact are usually subjective calls. The only subjective call in baseball is the check swing.
   10. PJ Martinez Posted: May 27, 2007 at 05:31 PM (#2380442)
According to Suzyn Waldman on 880, Torre brought out the lineup to the umps-- which, she claimed, he usally only does in the playoffs-- and shook hands with all of the umps except for the guy who blew that third strike yesterday.

Classy move.
   11. Benji Posted: May 27, 2007 at 05:35 PM (#2380448)
There must be a contest for the most unmitigated gall in baseball. I would have thought Josh Hancock's survivors lawsuit would have won easily. But they just announced that the Yankees are going to meet with Selig about "all the bad calls". Un-f'ng-believable.

If I was Bud, I'd have a DVD of the hundreds of bad calls that go in their favor, and say STFU.
   12. TakeandRake Posted: May 27, 2007 at 06:09 PM (#2380513)
Maybe the Yankees should just buy the umpire assosciation...
   13. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: May 27, 2007 at 06:30 PM (#2380551)
Apparently all the Yankees have to do is complain, because they've already had three gifts this game.
   14. Rough Carrigan Posted: May 27, 2007 at 06:35 PM (#2380561)
I just watched Mussina throw the exact same pitch to Figgins that was called strike 3 on Abreu yesterday, mid height and over the chalk of the righty batters box and Michael Kay described it as just a hair outside.
   15. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: May 27, 2007 at 08:55 PM (#2380751)
Nelson made crap strike calls on a number of Yankees and Angels all day yesterday. A strike-2 on Matsui was worse than the strike-3 on Abreu, and at one point Nelson was yelling back at the Angels dugout (the Angels dugout was correct). It's just that the last crap call sticks in the memory.
   16. vortex of dissipation Posted: May 27, 2007 at 09:39 PM (#2380796)
btw, who's worse, Graham Poll, or Bob Davidson?

A moot point after tomorrow, because Poll is working his final game in Monday's Coca-Cola Championship playoff. But no matter how many yellow cards he gave out to a player in one game, he was never quite as bad as Davidson...
   17. Baldrick Posted: May 27, 2007 at 10:36 PM (#2380858)
Graham Poll isn't that bad. Bad, sure, but not *that* bad. Quite.

And yes, 3 yellow cards in one game, but don't forget about Pujols' 3-ball walk. Everyone makes stupid mistakes sometimes.
   18. Harris Posted: May 27, 2007 at 10:50 PM (#2380869)
Didn't get to see this game - but whoever the opposing pitcher was could've just thrown three sliders in the dirt to Abreu and he would've accomplished the same thing, without all the controversy.
   19. Repoz Posted: May 27, 2007 at 10:58 PM (#2380870)
During the post-game today...Kimberly "Vapida" Jones asked Scott Proctor..."was your lack of control the reason you walked three straight batters?"
   20. pkb33 Posted: May 27, 2007 at 11:07 PM (#2380878)
Following the lead of his owner and manager, I expect Proctor said "no, it's not's the fault of the umpire"
   21. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: May 28, 2007 at 12:07 AM (#2380896)
over/under on the yankees finishing below .500? :)
   22. Captain Joe Bivens, Pointless and Wonderful Posted: May 28, 2007 at 12:10 AM (#2380897)
You mean odds, right?
   23. Repoz Posted: May 28, 2007 at 12:37 AM (#2380906)
Following the lead of his owner and manager, I expect Proctor said "no, it's not's the fault of the umpire"

Actually, the stunned Proctor fired back..."Wasn't that obvious?"

Out of respect...he left off ", you fugging twit"
   24. Koot Posted: May 28, 2007 at 01:58 PM (#2381183)
This is incredible. When every single call went NY's way a few years back, wasn't it called "mystique" and "aura"?!? This is a new low for the once proud New York Yankees. I mean, what's Torre going to say during this meeting with Bud? "But, we're the Yankees"? It's great to see that this is how the Yankees respond to adversity, by b#tching and crying. What a group of relentless warriors! This is the same Joe Torre who gets a one game suspension during a beanball war when other managers get three, so, I'm not sure where he gets off crying about other teams getting preferential treatment.
   25. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: May 29, 2007 at 12:40 PM (#2382321)
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