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Baseball Primer Newsblog — The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand Wednesday, September 28, 2011TRACER: Bill Veeck’s Satchel Paige vs Joe Dimaggio anecdoteBill Veeck was known for telling some wonderful tales and so I decided to see if one of his tales was actually true.
So did Paige ever IBB walk a player to get to Joe and how did Joe do against Paige? In 1948 Paige faces the Yankees 5 times for a total of 7.2 innings. Fortunately we have PBP for all 5 of those games. So did it happen in 1948? Nope. Paige faced Dimaggio twice and got him to fly out and strike out (though Joe did reach base on that strikeout) . The strikeout was to lead off the inning and the flyout did not happen after a walk. In fact he didn’t walk anybody in that game and he only walked one Yankee and that was in a game in which he didn’t face Dimaggio. I’m not sure if they still had exhibition games in the late 40’s and early 50’s or if Veeck heard about some barnstorming game from the 30’s but it appears this part of the story is false. McCoy
Posted: September 28, 2011 at 07:40 PM | 9 comment(s)
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1. McCoy Posted: September 28, 2011 at 08:38 PM (#3941472)This was the rest of it:
Doing some digging I find that Joe Dimaggio faced Paige in 1936 in a PCL All Star squad vs Paige and some local semi-pro black ballplayers. Dimaggio went 1-4 against Paige in that game and his single occurred in the 9th immediately after a single by Dick Bartell.
I also took a look at Paige and Feller's barnstorming squads of 1946-1947 and it doesn't appear that Dimaggio took part in that. Which is unfortunate because it appears that Bill Veeck kept a close eye on those exhibition games since immediately after the paragraphs in which he talks about Dimaggio he talks about Mickey Vernon owning Paige and he traces it back to their times facing each other during these barnstorming games.
So perhaps it happened in those other 3 AB.
Finally, I remembered that over on Retrosheet their is a very comprehensive list of inseason exhibition games. So I checked that list and I discover that the Yankees did not play the Browns nor the Indians during the seasons that Paige was there but in 1950 the Yankees played the Kansas City Blues. That season Paige was playing for the Philadelphia Stars of the Negro Leagues. The Blues were a farm team of the Yankees so it appears unlikely that this could have happened from 1948 to 1951.
Appropos of Satchel stories, my local newspaper (the formidable Daily Advertiser) recently ran a piece about a barnstarming game that Paige's team played in my town (Lafayette, LA) in the fifties. It apparently was pretty big doings for the Cajun Capitol, and when word got out that Satch and the team were eating at a local restaraunt, people began to flock there. This being Louisiana in the fifties, the team was eating out of sight of the white customers in the "colored only" attachment to the building. According to the eyewitness who was the subject of the interview, so many prominent people went into the segregated area to get Satchel's autograph that eventually the doors were thrown open, and for that night anyway, blacks and whites broke bread in the same room. Probably apocryphal, but a great story otherwise.
RDF
Any report on whether he avoided fried foods?
1) Satch was 59 or 60 at the time depending on which birth certificate was believed
2) He did, in fact, pitch 3 shutout innings in a game against the Red Sox
3) The only player for the Sox to get a hit against him was a young outfielder you may have heard of who was a pretty fair hitter (Yaz).
Even just being a publicity stunt, the guy could still get major league hitters out at an age when he should only have been playing "Old Timers" games.
Keep this in mind - Satchel pitched in the "integrated" major leagues off and on between 1948 and 1965. His W-L record was a modest 28-31 but his ERA was a respectable 3.29.
Here's the thing - how many pitchers do you know of who could pitch almost 500 innings with an ERA under 3.3 - between the ages of, say, 42 and 60? Last time I checked, those aren't the prime years for a pitcher.
Makes me really wonder just how good he must have been in his prime when he was in his 20s and 30s? He must have been absolutely unhittable...
Well, yes, but they're all knuckleballers.
You know as well as I do that fried foods angry up the blood and should be avoided!
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