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Trade Chatter - 2015 Deadline

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Jim Furtado Posted: July 31, 2015 at 06:23 AM | 609 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. JJ1986 Posted: July 24, 2015 at 07:14 PM (#5006259)
Headline on Rotoworld said that the Mets were close to acquiring "Johnson" from the Braves. I immediately thought of Chris, leading to a bad few moments before reading that it meant Kelly.
   2. Bote Man Posted: July 24, 2015 at 07:16 PM (#5006265)
Scott Kazmir broke the seal.
   3. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: July 24, 2015 at 07:31 PM (#5006279)
Who is John Gant?
   4. Beleaguered Mets Fan Posted: July 24, 2015 at 08:01 PM (#5006291)
Who is John Gant?


Never heard of him, according to his fangraphs page he's 22 in AA with a 4.7 ERA (3.59 FIP), taken in 21st round in 2011.

So it's a C prospect for two useful spare parts. Compared to Eric Campbell either Johnson or Uribe looks like Ted Williams.
   5. Bote Man Posted: July 24, 2015 at 08:13 PM (#5006298)
That worked a lot better with John Gall.
   6. Mark S. is bored Posted: July 24, 2015 at 08:19 PM (#5006303)
Headline on Rotoworld said that the Mets were close to acquiring "Johnson" from the Braves. I immediately thought of Chris, leading to a bad few moments before reading that it meant Kelly.


Rumors of it being more than just Johnson:

The Mets are close to a deal with the Atlanta Braves to acquire third baseman Juan Uribe and lefty-hitting utility player Kelly Johnson, league sources told ESPN's Jim Bowden.
   7. never forget: the pee tape is 57i66135 Posted: July 24, 2015 at 08:51 PM (#5006312)
i'm curious to see if someone trades for jeff francouer. he has that magical pixie thing when he gets traded to a new team.
   8. Lonnie Smith for president Posted: July 24, 2015 at 09:14 PM (#5006321)
Yes, this Braves fan would have enjoyed today's transaction immensely more had it been C Johnson. As it is, K Johnson plus Uribe is a deal that suits their new team pretty well: low cost, versatility, no contractual obligations for the future. Much harder to root for them personally now, of course, but neither should have been in Atlanta beyond this month. Sorry to see Uribe in particular couldn't get flipped to the Pirates or Angels, to name two hot-corner-needy teams. So it goes.

Liberty Media's Discount Daze continue through 31 July, though, and beyond! Let us put you behind the wheel of a Johnson -- still two more on the lot where K came from, not to mention gritty veteran presence at catcher and platoon outfielder. Inquire within about bolstering your centerfield situation -- have we got a Maybin for you! All properties priced to move. No reasonable deal refused (your definition of "reasonable" may vary; terms and conditions apply).
   9. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: July 24, 2015 at 10:46 PM (#5006355)
Pirates have been linked to Francoeur, but I don't think they're interested in actually giving up anything.

They've been rumored to be looking for an outfielder, which has fueled speculation that they may be dangling Polanco around to try to acquire an impact player. I'm more inclined to believe it means Harrison and/or Mercer is going to be out longer than they're letting on.
   10. SY Ruined School Lunches! Posted: July 24, 2015 at 10:48 PM (#5006357)
There was some stuff about the Braves being willing to trade Teheran a day or two ago, but that seems hard to believe.

Edit- Same with the Tribe and Carrasco
   11. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: July 24, 2015 at 11:01 PM (#5006361)
I saw Uribe got traded and it made me wonder if the Dodgers did badly by trading him early. Now I see for sure that he basically had no trade value.
   12. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 24, 2015 at 11:18 PM (#5006370)
Are the Mets out on Zobrist then? I'd love for the Royals to get him, but I'm guessing they'll spend most of their bullets on a SP.


There was some stuff about the Braves being willing to trade Teheran a day or two ago, but that seems hard to believe.

Edit- Same with the Tribe and Carrasco


And the O's and Kevin Gausman, although I found that one hard to swallow.
   13. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: July 24, 2015 at 11:25 PM (#5006373)
The Pirates are also rumored to be trying to move Pedro Alvarez, which makes sense only if they're close to acquiring a first baseman. What 1B is even available right now that would represent a big upgrade over Alvarez?
   14. Bote Man Posted: July 24, 2015 at 11:31 PM (#5006375)
What 1B is even available right now that would represent a big upgrade over Alvarez?

Consider Tyler Moore.
   15. Stormy JE Posted: July 24, 2015 at 11:38 PM (#5006377)
Consider Tyler Moore.

Would that be the Tyler Moore with a .275 wOBA? That guy has been hitting like Mary.
   16. SY Ruined School Lunches! Posted: July 24, 2015 at 11:42 PM (#5006379)
The Pirates are also rumored to be trying to move Pedro Alvarez, which makes sense only if they're close to acquiring a first baseman. What 1B is even available right now that would represent a big upgrade over Alvarez?


This worked last year so... Mike Napoli is available! (and hitting ok this week!)
   17. Bote Man Posted: July 24, 2015 at 11:46 PM (#5006383)
The dominoes are falling.

MLB Trade Rumors @mlbtraderumors
Mets Designate John Mayberry Jr. For Assignment http://t.co/nUMlHUgYRp
   18. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 24, 2015 at 11:49 PM (#5006386)

The Pirates are also rumored to be trying to move Pedro Alvarez, which makes sense only if they're close to acquiring a first baseman. What 1B is even available right now that would represent a big upgrade over Alvarez?


I'm sure Dave Stewart would make Paul Goldschmidt available for like Charlie Morton and a bag of jellybeans.
   19. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: July 25, 2015 at 12:19 AM (#5006402)
Man I'd give up a ######## for Goldschmidt. Especially since he's signed through 2019 and the Pirates' window runs through 2018. I wouldn't hesitate to trade Polanco plus Glasnow plus stuff for him, and I say that as the secretary of the Glasnow Must Stay Club.
   20. Textbook Editor Posted: July 25, 2015 at 01:08 AM (#5006408)
This worked last year so... Mike Napoli is available! (and hitting ok this week!)


Beaten to this...
   21. Drexl Spivey Posted: July 25, 2015 at 02:16 AM (#5006415)
What 1B is even available right now that would represent a big upgrade over Alvarez?


Adam Lind
   22. God Posted: July 25, 2015 at 08:25 AM (#5006436)
I wonder if Mayberry is the first guy ever designated for assignment the day after starting in the cleanup spot?
   23. Rafael Bellylard: The Grinch of Orlando. Posted: July 25, 2015 at 09:17 AM (#5006441)
i'm curious to see if someone trades for jeff francouer. he has that magical pixie thing when he gets traded to a new team.


He just has that look of a Twin about him.

I peeked at Frenchy's bb-ref page. His age-22 comp was Duke Snider. His age-30 comp was Juan Encarnacion. That's chilling.
   24. JJ1986 Posted: July 25, 2015 at 12:25 PM (#5006478)
I just looked to see who the Pirates AAA first baseman was, and with Brent Morel in Pittsburgh, Indianapolis is left with Hunter Morris (OPS of .374) and John Bowker (OPS of .440).
   25. shoelesjoe Posted: July 25, 2015 at 12:41 PM (#5006484)
What 1B is even available right now that would represent a big upgrade over Alvarez?

Chris Davis is probably available, although it would almost certainly be a short term rental. Since Alvarez is apparently destined to be a DH for the bulk of his career it would make sense that the Pirates target an AL team to deal with.
   26. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: July 25, 2015 at 01:33 PM (#5006506)
I really have never personally seen a worse first baseman. He just can't consistently catch the ball.

I'm not sure he has much of a future at DH, either, since he can't hit lefties at all and there aren't enough roster spots to support a DH platoon. He can still pop 20-25 circuit clouts a year against righties and I'm sure teams will continue to try to find a role for him.
   27. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: July 25, 2015 at 01:49 PM (#5006515)
Pedro Alvarez sure looks like this generation's Dave Kingman.

Alavarez: .234/.307/.435 756K 238 BB 118 HR 105 OPS+ 4.5 WAR -3.9 dWAR

Kingman through 1976 (similar PA to Alvarez): .229/.296/.482 710K 200 BB 150 HR 117 OPS+ 8.2 WAR -3.4 dWAR.

The difference between them is about 30 more HR for Kingman, 30 more singles for Alavarez.
   28. Bote Man Posted: July 25, 2015 at 05:14 PM (#5006600)
I just looked to see who the Pirates AAA first baseman was, and with Brent Morel in Pittsburgh

MLB Trade Rumors @mlbtraderumors
Pirates Designate Brent Morel For Assignment http://t.co/wWN0X78Auw
   29. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 25, 2015 at 05:21 PM (#5006602)
the weird thing about alvarez is that he turned himself into a decent third baseman. he wasn't GOOD but he wasn't dean palmer or anything.

but like zeth posts, he's a terrible first baseman. how very odd

he acts like he's catching live hand grenades over there
   30. bobm Posted: July 25, 2015 at 05:44 PM (#5006613)
[20] Mike Jacobs was the Opening Day cleanup hitter in 2010 and then DFA'ed soon thereafter.

                                       
Rk   Gcar   Gtm   Date     Inngs PA BOP
1     550     1  Apr 5      GS-8  4   4
2     551     2  Apr 7     GS-10  5   4
3     552  4(1)  Apr 9      GS-7  3   5
4     553  6(1) Apr 11        CG  4   5
5     554  8(1) Apr 14     GS-10  5   5
6     555 10(1) Apr 16      GS-8  3   5
7     556    11 Apr 17 11-GF(20)  4   9


Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 7/25/2015.
   31. Stormy JE Posted: July 25, 2015 at 05:47 PM (#5006616)
but like zeth posts, he's a terrible first baseman. how very odd

That's so mean, Harvs. I enjoy reading Zeth posts.
   32. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 25, 2015 at 05:54 PM (#5006618)
jason

ha, ha. nice twist

no jab at zeth obviously.
   33. Bote Man Posted: July 25, 2015 at 05:59 PM (#5006622)
The rumors are flying hot and heavy today on Twitter, and I only follow a very few accounts to keep things sane for me. I have a sneaking suspicion that McPhail is fielding calls for Cole Hamels, et al with RAJ mentioned only as a formality.
   34. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: July 25, 2015 at 06:06 PM (#5006626)
he acts like he's catching live hand grenades over there


Sounds like the Ken Caminiti at first horror show that one year in Atlanta.

Granted, Ken Caminiti was on crack...
   35. Rafael Bellylard: The Grinch of Orlando. Posted: July 25, 2015 at 06:18 PM (#5006632)
The rumors are flying hot and heavy today on Twitter, and I only follow a very few accounts to keep things sane for me. I have a sneaking suspicion that McPhail is fielding calls for Cole Hamels, et al with RAJ mentioned only as a formality.


So if they pull Hamels after eight, we'll know he's traded.
   36. akrasian Posted: July 25, 2015 at 06:52 PM (#5006647)
The Cubs wish they'd traded for him before the game.
   37. Tom Nawrocki Posted: July 25, 2015 at 07:04 PM (#5006653)
Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal
#Mets inquired on Tulo. Got impression that #Rockies do not want to move him.
   38. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: July 25, 2015 at 11:31 PM (#5006744)
Also from Robothal via MLBTR:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/central-notes-twins-benoit-kelley-fiers-cubs-samardzija.html

The Royals nearly acquired Reds ace Johnny Cueto earlier tonight, report Ken Rosenthal and Jon Morosi of FOX Sports (via Twitter). One of the players headed to Cincinnati did not check out medically per Rosenthal (via Twitter).


Sounds like the Royals tried to make Yordano Ventura the centerpiece of a Cueto deal, yeah?
   39. cardsfanboy Posted: July 25, 2015 at 11:38 PM (#5006745)
Sounds like the Royals tried to make Yordano Ventura the centerpiece of a Cueto deal, yeah?


Every rumor I've seen has said it was Kyle Zimmer who failed the physical.
   40. Walt Davis Posted: July 26, 2015 at 01:28 AM (#5006749)
First no-hitter against the Cubs in (almost exactly) 50 years. So Hamels is the new Koufax after all.

Which means Hamels has only about 50 starts left in his career.

Pedro Alvarez sure looks like this generation's Dave Kingman.

Alavarez: .234/.307/.435 756K 238 BB 118 HR 105 OPS+ 4.5 WAR -3.9 dWAR

Kingman through 1976 (similar PA to Alvarez): .229/.296/.482 710K 200 BB 150 HR 117 OPS+ 8.2 WAR -3.4 dWAR.


Now I see where you're going with this but, even if run-scoring is back in the toilet, a 201 ISO is fairly easy to achieve by today's standards while a 253 ISO wasn't even that easy during sillyball and certainly wasn't when Kingman did it. Heck, McCovey from 70-75 could only manage a 250 ISO. LgISO 1971-76 for Kingman's parks was about 118; for Alvarez it's 143.

Not that I've come up with any better candidates for today's Kingman. Chris Davis is kinda close. If Kingman played in the modern power era (1993 or later), I'd expect an ISO in line with Stanton ... and probably so many K's it would be attached to a 200 BA at best. Anybody out there hitting 200/270/480?
   41. Cooper Nielson Posted: July 26, 2015 at 02:01 AM (#5006753)
Anybody out there hitting 200/270/480?

Not quite, but Luis Valbuena -- a guy who has rarely been associated with Dave Kingman -- is hitting .201/.284/.421.

Chris Carter was .227/.308/.491 last year; .216/.311/.446 over his career. He's perhaps the best modern comp.
   42. All In The Guetterman, Looking Up At The Stargell Posted: July 26, 2015 at 11:47 AM (#5006837)
Robothal says Royals got Cueto.
   43. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 26, 2015 at 11:54 AM (#5006840)
apparently the brewers are willing to trade fiers. i guess i see that even though the guy is cheap and has stretches of being pretty decent.

not like milwaukee is brimming with pitching.
   44. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: July 26, 2015 at 12:58 PM (#5006865)
Milwaukee should be willing to trade Fiers if someone offers them something that's better to have than Fiers. But, seeing as he's inexpensive and half decent, there's no reason they have to trade him UNLESS they get such an offer. Someone has to pitch.
   45. Davo Posted: July 26, 2015 at 02:46 PM (#5006935)
If Brandon Finnegan is the centerpiece of the Cueto deal, I'm on board. I don't think Finnegan will be more than a Jason Vargas-type of starter. Decent control, and he can induce weak contact, but he doesn't have a real strikeout pitch, which is gonna be hard.

I will wait to see what the whole package is, of course, but so far, I like what I'm hearing.
   46. Davo Posted: July 26, 2015 at 02:57 PM (#5006944)
Deal is official!!!

Cueto and cash for Finnegan, John Lamb, and Cody Reed.
   47. Davo Posted: July 26, 2015 at 03:02 PM (#5006949)
That's a good return for Cincinnati, but I can see why the Royals pulled the trigger. They really need Cueto for the playoffs.

Cueto-Volquez-Duffy-Ventura? Not too shabby for October.
   48. Zach Posted: July 26, 2015 at 03:26 PM (#5006970)
That's a fair trade for both sides, I think. Lamb and Finnegan will both be contributors, with Reed a nice lottery ticket. The Royals filled an obvious hole in the front end of the rotation and kept Manaea, Zimmer, and Mondesi.
   49. Davo Posted: July 26, 2015 at 03:33 PM (#5006974)
Cinci has done a good job overhauling that pitching staff. DeSclafani, Finnegan and Lamb could all be in the rotation next year. Will be interesting to see what they can get for Leake.
   50. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: July 26, 2015 at 03:36 PM (#5006977)
I do not believe Cueto's presence makes their chances of winning the playoffs significantly better. It might have moved them from something like 15% to 18% at best. Probably not even that much. There's more utility in his helping make sure they get their playoff ticket punched without having to go through the play-in game.
   51. Davo Posted: July 26, 2015 at 03:47 PM (#5006987)
It seems to me that for a team like the Royals--who have such lousy starting pitching--that they have a lot more to gain by getting the #1 record in the League than others. To not have to face another ace twice in a best-of-five is all the more important when you don't have an ace of your own.

I don't know. Still a lot of baseball to be played.

I like the move primarily because, from what I've seen, I don't think Finnegan has a good chance at ever becoming anything more than a back-of-the-rotation starter. (All I know of Lamb and Reed are what's on their BBREF pages.)
   52. Davo Posted: July 26, 2015 at 03:49 PM (#5006989)
Sure would have been nice if they'd thrown in Marlon Byrd too!
   53. hokieneer Posted: July 26, 2015 at 03:57 PM (#5006996)
I'm moderately pleased with the haul for the Reds. Not too high of a ceiling on either Finnegan or Lamb, but the floor seems solid. Still shitty that the Reds are paying Bailey and Philips what they could have paid Cueto.
   54. Davo Posted: July 26, 2015 at 04:04 PM (#5007003)
I would not be surprised at all to see Finnegan deliver 180 innings of a 4.00 ERA just next year. He seems ready to join a rotation now.
   55. spycake Posted: July 26, 2015 at 04:09 PM (#5007005)
The Royals probably could have used Leake too, right? They should have tried to swing a deal like Samardzija-Hammel fron last year.... although maybe that would have required a prospect like Russell.
   56. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 26, 2015 at 04:13 PM (#5007011)
hoke

thinking the same. odd trade off
   57. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 26, 2015 at 04:15 PM (#5007015)
parra's value will never be higher. he's a good all around player but he will likely never play anywhere near this well again
   58. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 26, 2015 at 04:17 PM (#5007017)
it won't happen but if the twins would offer up sano for lind/parra doug should be all over that
   59. Bote Man Posted: July 26, 2015 at 04:18 PM (#5007018)
MLB Trade Rumors @mlbtraderumors
The Yankees like Phillies' Cole Hamels but they'll only go so far to get him. Details: http://t.co/eFH6DWB9ZC

The modern Yankees are no Dodgers.
   60. Swedish Chef Posted: July 26, 2015 at 04:23 PM (#5007023)
but they'll only go so far to get him.

On the lips, but no tongue.
   61. Bote Man Posted: July 26, 2015 at 04:32 PM (#5007026)
If the Royals are so hungry for good starting pitching, then why did the Reds send cash along with Cueto? Why is a good to great MLB starting pitcher not worth as much as a handful of players who have yet to prove their value in the Majors? Is this a strict WAR:dollars conversion or based on the value of the contract or what? I'm not seeing it.
   62. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: July 26, 2015 at 04:36 PM (#5007028)
boteman: It's two and a half months of a good to great MLB starting pitcher for five-six years' control of two mediocre MLB starting pitchers. Framed that way it looks iffy.
   63. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 26, 2015 at 04:43 PM (#5007032)
isnt' cueto a pure rental? i don't see a scenario where he re-signs with kc. this will be cueto's last best chance for huge money. he's younger than greinke so isn't 7/160 in play?
   64. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: July 26, 2015 at 04:47 PM (#5007037)
There are questions about Cueto's medicals but if he stays healthy and effective down the stretch, yeah, I'd think so, Harveys. Especially since the Yankees and Red Sox (and probably Angels too) figure to be in the market for starting pitching.
   65. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 26, 2015 at 04:51 PM (#5007038)
zeth

cueto led the nl in innings pitched last season and is averaging almost 7 innings a start this season

people look askance because if you stand next to him you realize he's 5'9" at best

   66. Zach Posted: July 26, 2015 at 04:54 PM (#5007041)
I wonder if they just took the old deal, upgraded from Manaea to Lamb, and tossed in some cash to cover the difference?

Manaea has a high ceiling, but Lamb is MLB ready.

#61 -- I noticed this myself when the Royals were sellers. Deadline trades are all about money, and pre-arb players with minimal development required are really valuable in that context.
   67. Davo Posted: July 26, 2015 at 05:03 PM (#5007048)
65--Cueto has missed a couple starts this year with elbow pain. It's a concern.
   68. bbmck Posted: July 26, 2015 at 05:07 PM (#5007053)
KC Starts in 2015 by Game Score:

75-79: 2
70-74: 6
65-69: 6
60-64: 14

55-59: 10
50-54: 17
45-49: 7
40-44: 10
Lower: 24x -11 to 39

Cueto starts in 2015 by Game Score:

July 7: 93
75-79: 4
70-74: 2
65-69: 2

60-64: 3
55-59: 2
50-54: 2
Worst 3: 35, 38, 42
   69. Davo Posted: July 26, 2015 at 05:24 PM (#5007062)
It will be interesting to see what the Royals decide to do for a rotation in the second half. After this trade, they have the following starting pitching options on the roster:

Cueto
Volquez
Ventura
Duffy
Chris Young
Guthrie
Medlen
Blanton

Ventura just had a brilliant start today, so it'd be tough to demote him back to AAA. I'm guessing a Blanton DFA is in the cards, and maybe shifting Duffy back to the pen (to give them an extra lefty, now that Finnegan is gone?) I don't know. I pray they'll just get rid of Guthrie, but that doesn't seem to be an option.
   70. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: July 26, 2015 at 05:53 PM (#5007072)
people look askance because if you stand next to him you realize he's 5'9" at best

I think this probably does make a difference in his FA value and magnifies other health concerns. Whether that's a good reason is a different story. I don't recall whether guys like Oswalt were underpaid for the time (Pedro was not, iirc).
   71. Davo Posted: July 27, 2015 at 01:51 PM (#5007369)
@Ken_Rosenthal
#Mets making progress on trade for #Athletics’ Clippard, sources tell me and @jonmorosi. Other teams still in play. Deal expected soon.
   72. cardsfanboy Posted: July 27, 2015 at 04:55 PM (#5007474)
Rumor mill is heating up Rajai Davis to the Cardinals. Of course the only evidence of this is that Rajai isn't in the lineup today and he started following a bunch of Cardinal players/writers.
   73. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 27, 2015 at 05:13 PM (#5007485)
Rumors the O's may make a run for Justin Upton. They're 3.5 games back of a WC. Does that make much sense? I don't see much in their system that should entice San Diego.


Ventura just had a brilliant start today, so it'd be tough to demote him back to AAA. I'm guessing a Blanton DFA is in the cards, and maybe shifting Duffy back to the pen (to give them an extra lefty, now that Finnegan is gone?) I don't know. I pray they'll just get rid of Guthrie, but that doesn't seem to be an option.


Ned says either Young or Guthrie will be bumped from the rotation.
   74. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: July 27, 2015 at 05:31 PM (#5007498)
If the rumors have anything to them it seems everyone wants Justin Upton and someone may well overpay for him.

Rumor mill is heating up Rajai Davis to the Cardinals. Of course the only evidence of this is that Rajai isn't in the lineup today and he started following a bunch of Cardinal players/writers.


If these things are true that sounds like fairly solid evidence.
   75. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: July 27, 2015 at 05:33 PM (#5007500)
And now, all five members of the 2009 Reds' vaunted "HAVOC" rotation have finally departed the Reds.
   76. cardsfanboy Posted: July 27, 2015 at 05:34 PM (#5007501)
Ned says either Young or Guthrie will be bumped from the rotation.


I'm looking at the Royals bb-ref roster and I'm seeing Young with the 120 era+ and finding it hard to think that the guy with the best era in the rotation is going to be demoted because of FIP. I'm guessing there are other factors here(of course I didn't look at last 5 or so starts to see if maybe that is one of the factors)
   77. Davo Posted: July 27, 2015 at 05:39 PM (#5007503)
#73--

I've seen Kevin Gausman's name pop up a bit on the Trade Rumors sites. I imagine he'd be the centerpiece of an Upton deal.

Beyond that...I don't know. Baltimore seems pretty deep when it comes to depth in the middle infield, while San Diego hasn't had a decent shortstop in my lifetime, so you'd think if Baltimore has anyone in the minors who's halfway decent San Diego would be interested. Like...(checking their BB-Ref page)... Steve Wilkerson or Austin Anderson?
   78. Davo Posted: July 27, 2015 at 05:41 PM (#5007504)
I'm looking at the Royals bb-ref roster and I'm seeing Young with the 120 era+ and finding it hard to think that the guy with the best era in the rotation is going to be demoted because of FIP. I'm guessing there are other factors here(of course I didn't look at last 5 or so starts to see if maybe that is one of the factors)

Young has been really, really shitty over the last month. It's like he's remembered he's Chris Young or something!

Just checked: He's allowed 10 homers in his last 7 starts (36 innings), with a 5.50 ERA.
   79. Baldrick Posted: July 27, 2015 at 05:46 PM (#5007511)
I'm looking at the Royals bb-ref roster and I'm seeing Young with the 120 era+ and finding it hard to think that the guy with the best era in the rotation is going to be demoted because of FIP. I'm guessing there are other factors here(of course I didn't look at last 5 or so starts to see if maybe that is one of the factors)

Chris Young, 2014, through July 27: 3.04 ERA (120 ERA+)
Chris Young, 2015, through July 27: 3.32 ERA (120 ERA+)
Chris Young, 2014, after July 27: 5.53 ERA (66 ERA+)

Everyone who followed the M's last year talked about how he wouldn't have the endurance to last the whole season, and then he didn't. Seems to be happening again, since he's given up 13 runs in 20 innings over his last four games.
   80. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 27, 2015 at 06:00 PM (#5007520)
Young has had back tightness recently and wore down at the end of last year. My guess is he goes to the pen for a bit, until Guthrie pitches his way off the team. The Royals also have Kris Medlen to potentially plug into that spot.

Sounds like the Mets are close to getting Tyler Clippard.

Cubs finally cut ties with EJax. I was very much for the Royals getting him over Shields back in the day.
   81. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 27, 2015 at 06:05 PM (#5007525)
Done deal: Shane Victorino and cash to the Angels for IF Josh Rutledge

Rusney Castillo is getting called up
   82. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 27, 2015 at 06:17 PM (#5007532)
Clippard to the Mets for RHP Casey Meisner
   83. Khrushin it bro Posted: July 27, 2015 at 06:24 PM (#5007535)
Is a Casey Meisner a good thing?
   84. Bote Man Posted: July 27, 2015 at 06:26 PM (#5007538)
I know a number of Nats fans were pulling for Rizzo to Bring Clippard Home, but he has been pretty stinko in recent appearances. Trading Clipboard to the Mets might help the Nationals in ways not yet forseen.
   85. Walt Davis Posted: July 27, 2015 at 06:33 PM (#5007540)
There's more utility in his helping make sure they get their playoff ticket punched without having to go through the play-in game.

Their ticket couldn't be more punched. 7.5 game lead in the division, 10.5 game lead on 6th place. Although fangraphs says this translates to just a 97% chance at the playoffs that sure looks like an underestimate to me.

As to HFA, that must mean something like .7 extra home playoff games on average per full round which I'm guessing is a nice revenue boost for a team like the Royals.

If the Royals are so hungry for good starting pitching, then why did the Reds send cash along with Cueto?

To help cover his salary. Maybe the Royals are at their budget limit, maybe they want to make another move. The Reds get them to toss in Reed or upgrade one of the prospects in exchange.

As to the rest of your post -- it's 2 months of Cueto plus the playoffs then Cueto becomes an unrestricted FA. That's not worth a top prospect (not sure KC really has one anyway). From the Reds' perspective, their options were 2 months of Cueto and then they would be able to make a QO and get a late 1st round pick as compensation (earliest pick last year was #28 I think). Finnegan himself was a mid-1st round pick in 2014 so they've already done better than that.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Reds could have possibly gotten more from another team or would have gotten more in other years -- mainly because I think Lamb would be minor-league FA at the end of the year so I'm guessing the Royals were going to lose him anyway, a pretty painless addition to this deal from their perspective.
   86. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 27, 2015 at 06:35 PM (#5007541)
Lamb couldn't be a minor league FA, he is/was on the 40 man roster.
   87. Davo Posted: July 27, 2015 at 06:39 PM (#5007542)
Casey Meisner ranked as the Mets #9 prospect on a mid-season list.

It's just a fan blog, but better than nothing. Here's the writeup:

"Meisner has had success at every level he has pitched at so far, and he is not a soft-tosser by any means, but the total package just isn't going to wow you. He works in the low 90s with his fastball, and has two below-average offspeed offerings, the curve being the better present-day pitch and the one he is more comfortable throwing. Meisner is very athletic for his size, but he still fights against his length and limbs to get to a consistent release point. There is still room for development here, but also fair bit of development needed, and the upside is closer to backend starter than top of the rotation."
   88. Swedish Chef Posted: July 27, 2015 at 06:43 PM (#5007544)
I looked at Josh Rutledge's player page. He looks supremely useless.
   89. Davo Posted: July 27, 2015 at 06:46 PM (#5007546)
In RoyalsRetro's "Winter Meetings Simulation" for SBNation last year, I traded Mark Melancon for a package centered around Josh Rutledge.

(In my defense, I'm really, really dumb.)
   90. Swedish Chef Posted: July 27, 2015 at 06:51 PM (#5007547)
(In my defense, I'm really, really dumb.)

That's not a good defense, saying "don't believe the number jocks, he is oozing intangibles out of every orifice" is the correct way.
   91. Lassus Posted: July 27, 2015 at 07:03 PM (#5007551)
Trading Clipboard to the Mets might help the Nationals in ways not yet forseen.

I admit this concerns me.
   92. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: July 27, 2015 at 07:23 PM (#5007557)
Done deal: Shane Victorino and cash to the Angels for IF Josh Rutledge
The Angels just picked up Rutledge for chump change off the ChiSox because Freese broke a finger. I was wondering who Grant Green pissed off that he didn't get a shot, but now it looks like he will. Zero percent excited about Victorino joining the Angels, except in that left field couldn't possibly be any worse, so, why the f not.
   93. SY Ruined School Lunches! Posted: July 27, 2015 at 07:40 PM (#5007562)
Shane can still hit lefties and probably play above average defense in left. Not every day, though. Should be a decent no-downside pickup for the Angels.
   94. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: July 27, 2015 at 07:40 PM (#5007563)
Woohoo, Red Sox in the trading game. Couldn't pry away Trout but got Rutledge instead! Outfield surplus problem solved!
   95. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: July 27, 2015 at 07:45 PM (#5007565)
El Hombre - You'll like Victorino if he stays healthy. His defense is really amazing out there, genuinely game changing. Health is a concern but he is a very good player.
   96. Dog on the sidewalk has an ugly bracelet Posted: July 27, 2015 at 07:50 PM (#5007568)
Couldn't pry away Trout but got Rutledge instead! Outfield surplus problem solved!

If they'd gotten Trout it would've just kept the outfield glut intact.
   97. Swedish Chef Posted: July 27, 2015 at 07:51 PM (#5007569)
Zero percent excited about Victorino joining the Angels, except in that left field couldn't possibly be any worse, so, why the f not.

Shane Victorino would be better than Matt Joyce if he played blindfolded. Angels fans should be ecstatic over this trade.
   98. Roger McDowell spit on me! Posted: July 27, 2015 at 07:51 PM (#5007570)
The Angels just picked up Rutledge for chump change off the ChiSox because Freese broke a finger.


You are thinking of Connor Gillespie. Rutledge was the guy they picked up from Colorado in the offseason who supposedly was going to replace Howie.
   99. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: July 27, 2015 at 07:52 PM (#5007572)
Agree with 93 and 95. When healthy, Victorino is just good at baseball. He does everything reasonably well and he's fun to watch. Just the sort of player who'll go from 1st to 3rd; score from 2nd every time on a single; hits the cutoff man to nail someone at home after a double in the gap. Will show flashes of gap power. A good move by the Angels...if they can keep him on the park.
   100. Khrushin it bro Posted: July 27, 2015 at 07:52 PM (#5007573)
Next move trade Betts to the A's for Zobrist.
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